*actual controversial opinion alert*
Husker Du is boring, their records sound bad, and all the songwriting about their pwecious hurt feewings is really tiresome
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:50 (five years ago) link
are you talking about the same band
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:51 (five years ago) link
i could not name a single husker du song about pwecious hurt feewings
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:52 (five years ago) link
Agreed. 'Reoccurring Dreams' is alright, though.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:53 (five years ago) link
I don't really like Husker Du either but I really like those two records! I remember when Stereogum posted their "every HD/Sugar/BM/etc. ranked" list and Land Speed Record wasn't even considered worth including I was.. very surprised! I love that thing
― fgti is for (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 16:00 (five years ago) link
lol ok, off the top of my head from when I was really into them in high school
Makes No Sense at AllDon't Want to Know if You Are LonelyToo Far DownStanding in the Rain
just all these songs about being aggrieved at other people
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 16:22 (five years ago) link
idk man i listen to a lot of emo, husker du don't particularly rate in that department for me
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 16:23 (five years ago) link
Yeah, I love Husker Du but it doesn't seem controversial to me that they sang about their hurt feelings. "I'll Never Forget You" is another one off the top of my head. xp
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 16:24 (five years ago) link
it can't all be Katrina and the Waves, man
― omar little, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 16:24 (five years ago) link
i loved husker du because i too was a punk who had hurt feelings and loved the '60s guess it's cool for you that you didn't relate but i did
sund4r otm
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 16:29 (five years ago) link
With this 100%. I tried to like them in high school, and just couldn't connect with it at all. From a purely sonic perspective, I liked Mould's Black Sheets of Rain a little, but that's the only record of his that's ever done it for me.
― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 16:32 (five years ago) link
it's fine not to like it, but "pwecious feewlings" is some retrograde garbage
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 16:33 (five years ago) link
Feewings are indeed pwecious tho
― fgti is for (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 16:36 (five years ago) link
guess it's cool for you that you didn't relate but i did
two of my favorite bands in high school were Husker Du and REM. I grew out of it I guess cuz now I have zero interest in either. Both just feel really monotonous.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 16:39 (five years ago) link
oooh ok so this is a newfound disgust for their emotional songsthat's somewhat controversial -- i'll give you thatunderstandable too but i don't think it's fair to impugn the emotions of the young from the vantage point of the old
i recently tried to listen to some REM songs and it was still not something i would do on a regular basis. i get it though.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 16:42 (five years ago) link
i loved husker du because i too was a punk who had hurt feelings and loved the '60s
Yeah, this was my experience, too.
But even though Mould's solo records went over similar themes, I could never get into them: they just sounded kind of dull and flat, with none of the airplane-without-wings excitement (aka, Grant Hart) of HD.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 16:43 (five years ago) link
otm
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 16:44 (five years ago) link
understandable too but i don't think it's fair to impugn the emotions of the young from the vantage point of the old
ok granted I was being a bit harsh, but really at this point in my life those just aren't feelings I have or relate to, so the music doesn't serve much purpose except to remind me of how I felt when I was 16 and well, why wallow in that. But yeah as an adult I find myself less drawn into songs that focus on shitty relationships or being resentful about what other people think of me or whatever because those are just not a part of my life. I am lucky enough to have a very stable relationship, and am just not involved in any kind of emotional soap opera with my peers that would cause me any anxiety.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 16:54 (five years ago) link
Even when I was young HD came off too gloomy and dour for me, much uncertainty about life, lots of lyrics about "just don't know" and "just don't care" that were certainly part of the general punk rock worldview, but just not my thing.
― Freddy "Boom Boom" QAnon (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:19 (five years ago) link
we got some dudes moving in new furniture in the office today and one of them just proclaimed "bob dylan absolutely sucks"
― marcos, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:25 (five years ago) link
you could apply 'precious feelings being hurt' to like 90% of music. Plastic Ono Band? also Husker Du hardly ever moped (they have their moments - "Hardly Getting Over It"), but it's more aimless angst and vague political fury like "In a Free Land" or "Divide and Conquer" or "Something I Learned Today."
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:30 (five years ago) link
Why do people give a shit about Husker Dus lyrics
It’s how they were singing them and the melody behind it
If the latter are strong enough I don’t care how self-absorbed they scan
― Master of Treacle, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:31 (five years ago) link
Even back when hurt feelings were my bread and butter I didn't care for them. But then again, I never paid attention to their lyrics either.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:35 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuJzSTNDUGI
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:44 (five years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, October 23, 2018 10:50 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This is a really poor take on Grant Hart's songwriting
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:52 (five years ago) link
I feel like people are just talking about Bob here mostly
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:53 (five years ago) link
Why do people give a shit about Husker Dus lyricsIt’s how they were singing them and the melody behind itIf the latter are strong enough I don’t care how self-absorbed they scan― Master of Treacle, Tuesday, October 23, 2018 1:31 PM (twenty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Master of Treacle, Tuesday, October 23, 2018 1:31 PM (twenty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I agree melody and delivery can overpower crap lyrics, but I give a shit about HD lyrics because they're often great for what they are - pissed off aimless teenage angst. "Got nothing to do, got nothing to say / Everything is so fucked up I guess we like it that way / Everything falls apart." that's fucking great.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 18:00 (five years ago) link
HD's most nakedly political song instead of subtler ones like "Pink Turns to Blue" is "Turn on the News" -- hardly 'just don't care'
― You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 18:05 (five years ago) link
true, and those are both Grant songs. as always Bob's songs and style are what come up when talking about HD. but even "In a Free Land" isn't really a 'fuck it' political song, it's as strident as "Turn on the News."
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 18:09 (five years ago) link
ok granted I was being a bit harsh, but really at this point in my life those just aren't feelings I have or relate to, so the music doesn't serve much purpose except to remind me of how I felt when I was 16 and well, why wallow in that. they are not feelings that I personally relate to as an adult either; still, not relating to them as an adult does not render them dismissable entirely with a wave of the hand from someone with the benefit of hindsight. unwarranted harshness isn't controversial so much as just kind of mean? why punch down on your teen self? i have more compassion for my teen self now than i did as a teen.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 18:19 (five years ago) link
"growing out of music" = dud
idk there aren't any bands or albums or songs that I loved as a kid that I don't still like. I may not listen to N*SYNC or The Decemberists anymore, but when I do revisit something like Picaresque or "Bye Bye Bye" I enjoy it.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 18:31 (five years ago) link
I don't understand "relating to music." I guess it's happened to me a few times.
― You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 18:33 (five years ago) link
idk the whole vibe of HD (and yes this is mostly Mould) is being angry at other people on a personal level, it's just not a headspace I care to be in. it's not interesting to me.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 18:37 (five years ago) link
So 'growing out of Papa Roach' = dud?
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 18:39 (five years ago) link
Fascinating -- no shade! Mould, even in HD, presented himself as a person enduring performative rage; he's too cool, too rational at the mike or playing guitar. These are compliments.
― You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 18:39 (five years ago) link
xp to Alfred
Plenty of music deals with emotions we all have. Perhaps "empathize" is more accurate?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 18:40 (five years ago) link
Mould's rage isn't just aimed at friends and lovers, his most notable songs for HD have relatively varied subject matter: Chartered Trips is 'no future, i'm fucked' existentialist wail, Celebrated Summer is nostalgic and joyous, and like I said before Something I Learned Today, In a Free Land, Everything Falls Apart, Divide and Conquer, and Games are aimed at systems and society. New Day Rising is another one, a song of pure feeling with one lyric.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 18:47 (five years ago) link
xp I can't remember the last time I heard "Last Resort" or "Scars" but they still rule
― flappy bird, Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:31 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Au contraire, growing out of music is classic. You grow (older), and don off music you once loved and that once helped you, because it does not do anything for you anymore in the present, for the new/'grown' you. You can still retain a great deal of respect for the music that served your dire needs once, but have grown out of it all the same. Classic all the way.
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 20:27 (five years ago) link
Perspective certainly changes, but what I enjoyed about those songs and albums then and now is their sound. Revisiting something like Picaresque years later was a joy, a nostalgic indulgence for sure, but I don't like it any less. I don't think that's the same as "outgrowing" it. Same goes for all the ear candy on MTV in the late 90s and early/mid-00s.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 20:30 (five years ago) link
We're on the verge of going into semantics here; I agree with what you said. Nostalgic indulgence isn't outgrowing it, 'tistrue.
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 20:33 (five years ago) link
yeah, and I suppose the fact that I don't listen to them much at all anymore - unlike other childhood favorites like Green Day, Nirvana, Pumpkins, Beatles - is outgrowing in a sense.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 20:38 (five years ago) link
It'll always look weird to me to see a dude with a full head of gray hair donning a Vandals t-shirt and a chain wallet. Like, your daughter just graduated college, man, buy a friggin' Brubeck record and go pick out some curtains fer chrissakes
but I realize I'm just being judgmental; this is a new frontier and we shall soon witness nursing homes full of goths, white gangstas, and dreadlocked crust punks, and that's gonna be wild, my friends
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 22:39 (five years ago) link
I was at Gilman St last year for a Lookout Records anniversary thing (my cousin was in town for it) and... it was pretty strange for just those reasons
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 22:43 (five years ago) link
― flappy bird
for a long time in my life i didn't "grow out of" music, didn't particularly want to. last couple of years i've changed enough that i've stopped really liking some music i used to like - primarily frank zappa and magma. i can see what i liked about them, but i just don't enjoy listening to it much. gotta let go of the past sometimes, man.
― dub pilates (rushomancy), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 00:12 (five years ago) link
For me, it's less about growing out of music, and more about having listened to certain things so many times that I can immediately recall them completely, so I feel like I just dont need to listen to them again. I'd rather spend my time listening to something I haven't completely wrapped my head around yet.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 01:37 (five years ago) link
does anyone feel like every time they revisit something, it's like they didn't "get it" in the first place? i'm constantly re-getting everything, with the caveat that i'm not really getting it because i'm going to re-get it again. it can be a little exhausting. i think that's part of the reason why i don't listen to more music than i do.
― macropuente (map), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 04:04 (five years ago) link
"Growing out of music" is like growing out of the stuff that taught you reading comprehension, or taught you emotional resilience or whatever. It becomes part of you even if you don't feel the need to digest it again on the same terms that it was once digested
― fgti is for (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 06:03 (five years ago) link
Age 13, I was dragged by my love of The Police into loving the first solo record by Sting. I have no wish to ever hear this record again and I don’t think I am diminished by that. On the other hand I listened daily to Tusk from the age of 9 and would still happily do that. I’d hate to grow out of that music.
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 06:27 (five years ago) link
growth as expansion vs growth as refinement. I don't think liking as much as possible is the goal, but I do think being able to suspend whatever you think your needs are and being open to the unknown is an essential part of growth
― ogmor, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 07:57 (five years ago) link