Pink Floyd-Classic or dud

Contingency: whilst Gilmour's the star for me, given his output post- Waters he was evidently better (thrived creatively?) as Waters' stooge rather'n his own boss. Post-Waters really equals snooze. Live show inflatable pigs notwithstanding, o'course.

The live sides of "Ummagumma" kind of work for me too. I can't dismiss "Piper..." altogether after a great first side, although I've always hated "Interstellar Overdrive" and then the whimsy becomes too much.

Also cool : "Saucerful...." and "Meddle".

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really, though, it was all about barrett as far as i'm concerned. yeah, they were okay for the next few albums (and _animals_ was tolerable), but after _piper at the gates of dawn_ it was a pretty fast slide down to the bowels of somnolent prog monotony. somebody should've shot roger waters and david gilmour...

syd barett was an art student. the rest of them were architecture students. i rest my case.

absolute fucking dud. david gilmour is the celine dion of the guitar. coming from someone who *loves* lo-fi sound, the barrett-era stuff is half-assed weedy bullshit. sb is also one of the worst vocalists of all time. (at least waters/gilmour-era is evil rather than incompetent.) waters' "deep" and "intense" vocals make me want to punch a radio when they come on. long, tedious, repetitive pompous songs that verge on soft-rock schlock far too often. and let's not even get to lyrics.

not too bad: "interstellar overdrive," "corporal clegg," "one of my turns," "run like hell"

worst of the worst: "shine on you crazy diamond," "comfortably numb," anything from the gilmour-led period

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Overall, I like the Floyd. I like _The Wall_ and _Dark Side..._. I think that the song "Wish You Were Here" is undeniably pretty. _Animals_ is freakin' scary and wonderful. _The Final Cut_ is sandpaper for the soul, however, and completely put me off of investigating their other albums. (I recently heard _Piper..._ and, while I enjoyed it, I still haven't stopped giggling.)

I guess I'd have to say they're classic by default.

So needless to say, DUD, no matter how much I like The Wall.

All I know is, these guys started off OK, Sid is a good lad really, then made 'Meddle' which is the one, then made the one's which made them loads of money, then Water's ego ballooned to the size of a small planet, then sued the asses off each other, then Gilmour's belly got so big that it completely hides his hands when he sits with them on his lap, then they went utter, utter utter, utter shit.

Vedict - Classic: just for 'Meddle'

Although, might I just interject over myself that 'Animals' is alright and 'Wish You Were Here' is rather good too. Hmm, looks like I have a thing about mid-era Floyd. Anyway, I just wanted ask if I mentioned 'The Wizard of Oz' in connection with the 'Dark Side' would anyone know what the holy hell I as talking about?

CLASSIC ALL THE WAY. David Gilmour is such an underrated guitarist ("Dogs" anyone? "Time"? that spooky-as-hell Halloween bit in "Echoes"?), and the live disc of Ummagumma is the VERY FIRST drone rock album. FACT! Absolutely one of the best bands of all time.

Except for "The Division Bell" which was shit.

SEARCH: "Is There Anybody Out There?", "Dogs", "Embryo", "Careful With That Axe, Eugene" (Ummagumma version)

DESTROY: Roger Waters' abysfuckingmal solo albums

Not sure that's true. I love Mr.Gilmour, but I don't think he's really an underappreciated guitarist.

The ’80s/’90s Pink Floyd = Dud.

There are a million college students learning every note of the solo to "Time" that would dispute that.

Yes, I think this is my problem with PF exactly. (And, believe me, I really want and try to like them.) I had the exact same problem with Godspeed's F#A#oo, which actually reminded me very much of Pink Floyd. (Thankfully GYBE! got a lot better afterwards.) I don't think even that even the starkest IDM or minimalist record I like really does this in this way. If anything they probably usually use space to emphasize unusual rhythmic frameworks and changes -> the beat doesn't come when you expect it to.

Btw Richard Wright was fucking amazing. Props to him (he doesn't get enough!!).

Barrett isn't so bad, is it? Obviously, Madcap Laughs is a mess.

It's been years since I've heard any Syd Barrett stuff but I just remember it sounding really . . . cheap and half-assed and not liking his voice. I might hear them differently now.

(looks nervously left and right; whistles innocently)

UM AND WHAT ABOUT ATOM HEART MOTHER???

and obscured by clouds. it's a toss up for me, my fav - it's just too hard. all of these are phenomenal.

I was listening to Ratatat the other day and it really reminded me of it!

summer '68 (8 not 9, right?) is CRAAAAAZY!

In the "Live At Pompeii" film, you see Gilmour doing just that, recording a solo note-by-note...

they didn't play at all on momentary lapse? weird.

jim keltner and carmine appice played most of the drums on that album, mason's parts got erased because mason apparently didn't think they were very good. wright was brought on as a session musican when the album was almost finished. either way it's not like you can really tell, and neither of them did very much on anything post - animals anyway.

Gilmour sez: "Both Nick and Rick were catatonic in terms of their playing ability at the beginning. Neither of them played on this at all really. In my view, they'd been destroyed by Roger. Nick played a few tom-toms on one track, but for the rest I had to get in other drummers. Rick played some tiny little parts. For a lot of it, I played the keyboards and pretended it was him. The record was basically made by me, and other people and God knows what."

Also, the photo on the inner sleeve of the first pressing is of just Gilmour and Mason.

So conceivably, there is a "Pink Floyd" song or two (or more) with no original members.

Okay, I was in a soulseek chatroom and the trivia bot asked something like "what was Pink Floyd's favorite album that they made?" and the answer was either Momentary Lapse or Division Bell. Could of been bot error but you never know

I should really get Final Cut, Momentary Lapse and Division Bell one of these days. Just never motivated enough to check them out for some reason.

eh, i dunno, are the post waters records worth it? even as a 14 year old floyd fanatic, i could never really dig the gilmour era beyond a couple songs.

Learning to Fly was kind of a cool single. I liked the video.

Final Cut is worth getting, I'd skip the post waters albums

Final Cut is the last thing I have much time for. probably prefer that last Gilmour solo LP to the post Waters PF ones

I have a soft spot for latter-day Floyd; it's like they decided that "Comfortably Numb" should be its own genre.

waters' favorite floyd album is the wall. both gilmour's and wright's is wish you were here. dont know about mason, but he did once describe obscured by clouds as "i thought it was a sensational lp, actually"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOwf3TDygkM

WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW

now my mexican restaurant sucks

david gilmour played comfortably numb with roger waters tonight at the london Wall show. got tickets for next tuesday, pretty hyped.

Nick Mason speaks

This piece claims everything will drop in September, including vanilla reissues of the rest of the catalog.

yep, see www.whypinkfloyd.com for all that

Yeah, saw this on the HMV site yesterday.

Remastered versions of them all, including "Piper" which only just had one but then again if you have to have the CD collection with the same spines lined up on your shelf, you have to don't you?

"probably prefer that last Gilmour solo LP to the post Waters PF ones"

last Gilmour lp is definitely decent: recently I listened to the subsequent live album and it was good in places (Manzanera on second guitar).

Will anyone rep for About Face? Apart from a couple of tracks - Blue Light especially - it's a pretty solid record.

http://youtu.be/6RqFrkrfWqQ

yes like it very much, esp 'Cruise'. a nice understated record

pretty psyched to hear a non-annoying "Great Gig in the Sky"

What, Easy Star All Stars?

david gilmour played comfortably numb with roger waters tonight at the london Wall show. got tickets for next tuesday, pretty hyped.

― reallysmoothmusic (Jamie_ATP), Thursday, May 12, 2011 11:34 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

http://youtu.be/QbGoOtYnevA

Fantastic moment at 0:52. Brought a tear to me eye it did.

Try again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbGoOtYnevA

Hah, screenshot is a SPOILER.

i can't believe I didn't go see the wall when it came through oakland, WTF was I thinking? broke I guess.

would be awesome if this was just the culmination of waters' nefarious plan to kill gilmour, and just as dave hit the first note of the solo, THE WALL COMES DOWN.

floyd

http://www.autographpros.com/images/waters-face-k35599-a.jpg

http://www.dymee.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-o-matic/cache/c97ba_3704529364_54571fbffd_o.jpg

Bill Maher looks great on that guitar. The longer hair suits him.

side of floyd beef

http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo142/live_laugh_love231/My%20Personal%20Pictures/069.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L42YTWSJtI

more great footage of *that* bit. for me i guess this is like if Bernard Butler shows up at the Dog Man Star/Suede gig on Friday. Floyd fans musta been going mental.

wah wah - no one told me when to run - I missed the starting gun! wahwah - WILL LISTEN TO FLOYD instead of catching up

Pink Floyd “Reunite” in Support of Gaza Activists

"David Gilmour, Nick Mason and Roger Waters stand united in support of the Women of the Gaza Freedom Flotilla"

http://pitchfork.com/news/68809-pink-floyd-reunite-in-support-of-gaza-activitsts/

wow so nobody here talked about how great those 2011 remasters sound? cuz man, I think they sound amazing, tons of space and detail and heft to the sound.

also there's a new run of vinyl reissues, haven't heard any reports and don't wanna dive into the Hoffman forum or something to discover how they sound. the only one I need is Piper anyway.

How many goddamn reissues does this band need?

wow so nobody here talked about how great those 2011 remasters sound? cuz man, I think they sound amazing, tons of space and detail and heft to the sound.

Yeah, I agree. That was the first time I bought any Floyd on CD, and they sound fantastic.

i don't know any pink floyd masterings that _don't_ sound fantastic. except they fucked up the mono on that piper box set a few years back, i guess.

Did they? I thought it sounded fantastic, but it's the only mono Piper I've heard.

well i think it was just one of the channels that was fucked up. since we're dealing with a mono recording anyway it's not exactly the end of the world, y'know?

Chris Blair from Abbey Rd caught a lot of flack from the Hoffman types for cutting off the end of Flaming, introducing some clicks and a bit of a botch noise reduction/EQ combo.

i like everything pretty much except the final cut and atom heart mother!