Madonna: bitch got mad flow

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In all seriousness, she should drop her acoustic guitar fixation. No one's buying it.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, she's a hack. And a has-been.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, these are her Jungle Room years.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:58 (twenty-two years ago)

haha, if only Madonna had gone into the Jungle room...

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

In all seriousness, she should drop her acoustic guitar fixation

And bring back her cock fixation

― ss, Monday, 21 April 2003 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd say American Life is her Funky Headhunter.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 April 2003 14:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Now THAT'S cold.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 April 2003 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

That Steve Albini thing would be aces, man. It sounds totally fresh.

I think Madonna should work with Chaki. And also the Electric Six.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 14:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Fuck, EVERYONE should work with Chaki.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 April 2003 14:05 (twenty-two years ago)

She should work with Felix Da Housecat, brilliant.

I think she already did. At least for a remix within the past year or so or something like that.

Maybe the problem is that producers are so intimidated by working with MADONNA that they wind up doing shit work. Or she's intent on being too involved, versus back in the day when her ego was at least the size of Mars versus today (the size of Uranus). And Ronan is OTM up there about old vs. new.

Anyway, I liked Snatch. Second best use of a Stranglers song in a soundtrack (best being Sexy Beast, of course). I also like the new Mini Coopers. So sue me!

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 21 April 2003 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Shit just saw that post Ally, indeed its looks quite rude that way - not what I meant at all. ILX really should have nested replies...

― Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha I was just kidding anyway!

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Everytime I read the title of this thread ( Madonna: bitch got mad flow) I get the unwelcome image in my head of La Ciccone caught in a torrent of uncontrollable menstruation.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, this thread is now officially disgusting, thank you.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)

At your service.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

No, it's great, I'm not going to be able to eat lunch now, thinking about this image and I really need to lose 10 before the wedding, so I'm chuffed. Really.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

No charge.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Fabulous, etc.

Oh I saw the video for this this morning, I don't know why it makes a statement at all, Dan?

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Madonna's uniform is the best thing about the video - its fucking dull otherwise

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I really fucking want that outfit

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)

from now on, every post has to include 'fucking'

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 21 April 2003 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)

That's a fucking great idea. It makes me more extreme I think.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 17:15 (twenty-two years ago)

we could even make it a fucking picture thread, bwahaha

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 21 April 2003 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)

CALUM TO THREAD.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 17:30 (twenty-two years ago)

If you have problems, call me. I'll "solve 'em."
-- hstencil (hstenci...), April 21st, 2003

will you also check out the hook while the DJ revolves 'em?

Shakedown is a good idea yeah, though she doesn't have the voice it still might work.

see, my problem w/Madonna of late--and Ronan is probably saying this as well, but it sorta reads like he's not--is that she's entered mid-'70s Roger Daltrey territory voice-wise. she's "Learned to Sing" and sounds like she's trying to belt out grand opera or something--"look how thick and elongated and robust my notes are!" (even when they're, you know, fed through the autotuner or whatever.) and in the meantime her music gets less and less interesting and/or relevant.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 21 April 2003 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Matos, someone already made that joke!

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

of course, the one comment I missed on the way down. darn.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 21 April 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

It's ok, I still think you're adorable.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

hugz!

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 21 April 2003 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

but am I the only one who thinks that about her voice?

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 21 April 2003 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)

No, I agree with you wholeheartedly about her voice. She's very showy and enunciated while saying nothing at all in particular. I enjoyed her voice better when she was "untrained", actually--I mean, the way she pronounces the word "lovers" on "Drowned World", for example, is downright creepy.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

you might be the only who thinks about her voice, period. it's almost beside the issue.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 21 April 2003 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Ronan, what about CJ BOLLAND! It would be... no step down/up from Mirwais.

― nathalie (nathalie), Monday, 21 April 2003 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think it's beside the issue at all. when previously-untrained but lovable singers start getting voice lessons (haha almost wrote "lesions") and learning to project et al they tend to lose naivete and charm and gain a wrongful emphasis on things like the robustness of notes as opposed to the catchiness/interestingness of songs. this is pop music--songs matter more than notes.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 21 April 2003 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I was being flippant, sure. But really, when people talk about Madonna, it's usually about everything BUT her voice/singing.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I have no idea why you keep mentioning CJ Bolland.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:03 (twenty-two years ago)

We went this far without Jarvis Cocker? He pointed out the initial connection himself in one of his songs!

― action jackson, Monday, 21 April 2003 18:10 (twenty-two years ago)

between Madonna and her mad flow?

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:13 (twenty-two years ago)

this is pop music--songs matter more than notes.

I agree. I have posted a couple of times about this issue, and Madonna is one of the worst offenders in terms of singers who lose a lot of their charm once they learned how to sing "properly". I think with Madonna her enunciation might be a problem too, she over enunciates a lot of words now while in the past it was much more natural.

It would be interesting to hear what Dan Perry has to say about this.

― Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:13 (twenty-two years ago)

he would probably say something titillating.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:14 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, Dan and JBR to thread!

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Madonna's 'learning to sing' (thanx Evita!) annoys me even more than when Elvis Costello 'learned to sing' circa 83, 84.

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the over-enunciation kind of hurts her technical merit? I would be interested in Dan's take.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, the more that you mention it...especially since he's a luvvah of the single and album from what I remember.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 April 2003 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, Dan and JBR to thread!

OK, well, I'm very pro- vocal training. It helps you learn how to do stuff with your voice, how to manipulate it instead of letting its limitations control you. See, Madonna now has the option of either being a one-dimensional nasal pop singer or being a "vocalist" with depth, color, and range, whereas before she only had the first choice. I love Maddy's voice now, and I think she always did have good instincts.

Whether or not you're "ruined" by voice training has to do with your own creativity and your awareness of your abilities. Vocal coaches don't deliberately try to turn you into Celine Dion, unless you wanna sound that way and you start affecting those diva-isms yourself. It's your voice. They just teach you how to breathe right and support your notes and expand your range and work on your tone and ultimately be conscious of how all those sounds get made.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Vocal coaches don't deliberately try to turn you into Celine Dion, unless you wanna sound that way and you start affecting those diva-isms yourself.

So it's still her fault, but now we're blaming conscious choice instead of vocal tweaking? I can live with that.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 April 2003 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)

JBR is OTM, down to the part where she says she still loves Madonna's voice; I listened to some of her older singles and there are some horrifingly buzzy moments on some of them.

I think I explained the statement I saw in the video pretty well before, but the short version; she's talking about how the American Dream has failed her and the closest she's found to what was promised to her was in falling in love. Doing this in the military getup is a subtle dig at using war as a solution to your problems. Doing this in front of an ever-shifting montage of flags suggests that the emotions she's describing are universal and that the people of the world have more in common than is normally acknowledged (particularly in times of war, to go back to her slammin' outfit).

Having said all that, I'm not sure the video will stand up to repeated viewings at all; it's too static.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 21 April 2003 23:50 (twenty-two years ago)

To go back to Alex in NYC's cogent point, she should have made a video where she stuffed a lamb up her crotch to control her mad, deranged flow. THAT would have been a statement!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 21 April 2003 23:53 (twenty-two years ago)

oh i saw the version with the flags today and its horrible, the first was bad but this...

― Chupa-Cabras (vicc13), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:24 (twenty-two years ago)

The combination of Dan and Alex is wonderful for my vomiting reflexes!

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 01:31 (twenty-two years ago)

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