You can't be a guitarist, guitarists do not suffer from guilt.
― Never Turn Your Back On Virginia Woolf (Tom D.), Thursday, January 17, 2019 7:34 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I am a guiltarist
― Evan, Friday, 18 January 2019 15:43 (five years ago) link
JETHRO TULL > PINK FLOYD
Not that controversial but I felt like sharing anyways
― ٩༼ º෴º ༽۶ (FlopsyDuck), Saturday, 19 January 2019 02:04 (five years ago) link
A lot of 90s folk is better than a lot of 60s folk
― Gunther Gleiben (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 19 January 2019 02:09 (five years ago) link
― Gunther Gleiben (Ye Mad Puffin)
i am intrigued by your thesis and would be interested in examples (i haven't heard much 90s folk!)
― The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Saturday, 19 January 2019 10:11 (five years ago) link
Bonnie 'Prince' Billy, Elliott Smith, Neutral Milk Hotel, The Mountain Goats, Gorky's Zygotic Mynci, Sebadoh, maybe? If so, I'm not exactly convinced – and I like all of these guys.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 19 January 2019 10:17 (five years ago) link
I think what I have in mind is more like Julie Miller, Richard Shindell, Dar Williams, Mary Lou Lord, Richard Thompson (of that era), Emmylou Harris (of that era), James Keelaghan, John Wesley Harding, Nanci Griffith, Kate Rusby, Shawn Colvin, Lucinda Williams, Buddy Miller, Cheri Knight, Lucy Kaplansky, Cry Cry Cry, Jonatha Brooke / the Story, Greg Brown.
Some overlaps there between what I am loosely calling "90s folk" with what other, smarter people might classify as alt-country, neo-trad, or Americana.
I think the only artist on pomenitul's list that resonates with mine is Elliot Smith, mainly for the Mary Lou Lord connection.
― Gunther Gleiben (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 19 January 2019 10:52 (five years ago) link
When I can get to a laptop I will put together a few links to better demonstrate what I mean by "90s folk."
― Gunther Gleiben (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 19 January 2019 10:56 (five years ago) link
In the 90s, I'm more familiar with so-called indie folk, hence my list. 'Americana' and 'alt country' veer closer to what I hear in those artists you just named, but I agree that it's a debatable demarcation.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 19 January 2019 10:58 (five years ago) link
Also Robert Earl Keen, the Nields, I am sure I will think of more.
Further, to be totally inclusive you should also consider the 90s output of folk artists of prior decades who kept working. Paul Simon, Joni Mitchell, Joan Baez, James Taylor, Jackson Browne, Bob Dylan, CSN+Y were all still making records at the time (for good or for ill).
Rhythm of the Saints is from 1990. Is that "90s folk" or "world music" or "folk-rock" or pop?
― Gunther Gleiben (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 19 January 2019 11:09 (five years ago) link
Not what I consider folk but fuck a genre label anyway.
― Never Turn Your Back On Virginia Woolf (Tom D.), Saturday, 19 January 2019 11:44 (five years ago) link
Instinctively, I'd refute this, but would happily listen to a 90s playlist to test it out...
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Saturday, 19 January 2019 12:11 (five years ago) link
If at least a substantial chunk of your core work isn't trad songs then you're not folk imo
― have you ever seen a VONC's tears? (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 19 January 2019 13:21 (five years ago) link
on reflection my opinion is more complicated than that but I'm not that into "folk" as a generic for singer-songwriters, even those predominantly using acoustic instruments, possibly sans accompanying band
― have you ever seen a VONC's tears? (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 19 January 2019 13:29 (five years ago) link
my "folk" genre tags are all over the place, even beyond the "original/trad" split a whole bunch of it is international folk music.
i don't know. i'm not a purist, i guess.
― The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Saturday, 19 January 2019 14:48 (five years ago) link
― Never Turn Your Back On Virginia Woolf (Tom D.), Saturday, January 19, 2019 3:44 AM (seven hours ago)
otm!
― sarahell, Saturday, 19 January 2019 18:58 (five years ago) link
I'm all for personalized genre labels
― brimstead, Saturday, 19 January 2019 20:49 (five years ago) link
Whatever makes finding things easier
i find it to be a delicate balance. on the one hand i don't want to have everything not from the anglosphere labelled "world", that's too vague to be terribly useful, but at the same time i have exactly one song tagged as "zhabdro gorgom" and i don't really ever think to myself "man i want to listen to some zhabdro gorgom today".
but there definitely should be some room for individual preference, "western swing" for instance is a useful genre name for me but probably wouldn't be for most people.
― The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Saturday, 19 January 2019 21:14 (five years ago) link
Paul Weller's solo work is, on the whole, very good.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Saturday, 19 January 2019 21:19 (five years ago) link
good one! could fill pages.
― meisenfek, Saturday, 19 January 2019 21:35 (five years ago) link
Happy birthday Dolly Parton, 99% of your discography is crap
― Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 20 January 2019 00:43 (five years ago) link
99% of rap mixtapes sound the same
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Sunday, 20 January 2019 00:44 (five years ago) link
99% of your discography is crap
Wrong opinions
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 20 January 2019 00:53 (five years ago) link
yeah, rude
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Sunday, 20 January 2019 02:01 (five years ago) link
I think we have a winner
― calumy (rip van wanko), Sunday, 20 January 2019 02:06 (five years ago) link
rush were a better band than yes
― The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Friday, 25 January 2019 15:10 (five years ago) link
Definitely more consistent
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 25 January 2019 15:14 (five years ago) link
not even a question for me but I love Rush so much
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 25 January 2019 15:33 (five years ago) link
I love Rush too, but I tried listening to them last week for the first time in maybe 10 years. I needed a palate cleanser after all the PINK FLOYD around these parts. It was wonderful and all, Geddy's voice seems so much more ridiculous to me now than it did back when I really liked them. Like, it has not become more acceptable to me. It was like listening to Ween.
― peace, man, Friday, 25 January 2019 15:47 (five years ago) link
unacceptable probably the wrong emotion. Just nonsensical.
― peace, man, Friday, 25 January 2019 15:48 (five years ago) link
Even Roger Waters's vocals are a palate cleanser next to Geddy fucking Lee. I'd love Rush otherwise.
― pomenitul, Friday, 25 January 2019 15:52 (five years ago) link
Geddy Lee has the voice of an angel
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 25 January 2019 16:06 (five years ago) link
Rush is one of those bands that I really enjoy a lot in small doses (always enjoy it when one of their songs plays on the radio) but whenever I try to listen to them for more than a couple of songs in a row by them I eventually can't take it anymore. I don't know it it's Geddy Lee's voice or the crispness and precision of the music but it always does something weird to my brain similarly to when I eat too much candy where something feels like it should be good but is not enjoyable.
― silverfish, Friday, 25 January 2019 16:11 (five years ago) link
I saw Rush live twice and had a blast both times, but I never listen to their studio albums. I listen to Yes all the time and never got the chance to see them live (wouldn't go now that Chris Squire is dead).
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 25 January 2019 16:15 (five years ago) link
yes > rush but i'm not gonna get mad at someone for thinking the opposite
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Friday, 25 January 2019 16:17 (five years ago) link
Rush was there for me when I needed them
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 25 January 2019 16:23 (five years ago) link
xp Hand raised (Rush > Yes), and agreed. Arguments on those two veer into Comic Book Guy declarations. Got into an argument in college re: better drummer being Neil Peart over Alan White, one of those where even a 1/2 hr later, I was thinking "why were we arguing?". Such a mix of objective and subjective criteria, I'd rather keep it at the "they're both great" level and appreciate each's merits.
Keep meaning to find that wall scroll of Peart on a river raft with his Tama kit. Walla Walla had a instrument store with that hung in the window, and I coveted it.
― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Friday, 25 January 2019 16:27 (five years ago) link
The drum shop where I took lessons as a kid had one of those! I, too, coveted it. Decades later, I was being interviewed on a friend's podcast, and he had that scroll hanging on his wall. I didn't ask, but he said, "No, you can't buy it." Apparently, everyone who remarked on it offered him $$$ for it.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 25 January 2019 16:31 (five years ago) link
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Neil-Peart-Rush-Tama-Drums-Banner/264021031819?hash=item3d78e13b8b:g:PBIAAOSwIN1bove4:rk:1:pf:0
― peace, man, Friday, 25 January 2019 16:34 (five years ago) link
So nice. Had no idea they were commanding near $800!
― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Friday, 25 January 2019 16:41 (five years ago) link
one of the best things about Glenn Danzig's vocals in the Misfits is that it's so easy to mishear the lyrics
― sarahell, Friday, 25 January 2019 19:36 (five years ago) link
When I finally got the Misfits box set with the lyrics included I was shocked to find that what I thought I had to be mishearing were, in fact, the actual lyrics
― Paul Ponzi, Friday, 25 January 2019 19:43 (five years ago) link
one of the first things a friend did when presented with access to the internet circa 1993 was to print off like a hundred pages of misfits lyrics that he grabbed from Usenet or Gopher just to finally answer all of his lingering questions
― joygoat, Friday, 25 January 2019 19:43 (five years ago) link
lol, "ripped up like shredded wheat" comes instantly to mind.
― peace, man, Friday, 25 January 2019 19:48 (five years ago) link
i still hear "who'd I do it for hey Neil Young"
― sarahell, Friday, 25 January 2019 19:55 (five years ago) link
I was definitely thinking about the shredded wheat line
― Paul Ponzi, Friday, 25 January 2019 20:00 (five years ago) link
I can see the actual lyrics but it will always be "hey Neil Young" for me too. Also "Tony Hawk's in my head"
― joygoat, Friday, 25 January 2019 20:10 (five years ago) link
they're all the same iirc
― sarahell, Friday, 25 January 2019 21:25 (five years ago) link
Pearl Jam rocks
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Friday, 25 January 2019 22:13 (five years ago) link
I did this, but with R.E.M. Didn't really answer any questions though.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 25 January 2019 22:19 (five years ago) link