Led Zeppelin: Classic Or Dud?

Solve me this mystery: why is "Tangerine" out of tune? Not an alternate tuning, just out of tune. Like, between tunings.

You mean how it's like a 1/4 step out of tune from 330hz E?

I found a quote that he used a pedal steel on this that was out of tune so they tuned to it:

Jimmy Page played a pedal steel guitar on this track. He told Guitar Player magazine in 1977: "On the first LP there's a pedal steel. I had never played steel before, but I just picked it up. There's a lot of things I do first time around that I haven't done before. In fact, I hadn't touched a pedal steel from the first album to the third. It's a bit of a pinch really from the things that Chuck Berry did. Nevertheless, it fits. I use pedal steel in 'Your Time Is Gonna Come.' It sounds like a slide or something. It's more out of tune on the first album because I hadn't got a kit to put it together."

I've heard one Daphne & Celeste song once and it had more of an impact on me than all the Zeppelin I've ever heard put together.

from what i can tell this came within a week of being the ilx first mention of #28 on the album poll for 2018 !

So rather than just tune the pedal steel they tune the acoustic and acoustic 12-string to the out of tune pedal steel?

(All I know is that if you play along in standard it's totally off.)

yeah, or tape speed?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guitar/comments/2w0976/weird_tuning_on_led_zeppelin_tangerine/

Isn’t a pedal steel kind of hard to tune?

very

The pedal steel on "Your Time..." sounds like it's actually out of tune. "Tangerine" generally sounds in tune to me, just about a quarter-tone down from A=440 Hz concert pitch, as Al says. I feel like I recall Beatles tunes that are also a bit like this. I don't recall a definitive reason given for it on "Tangerine" but on this Reddit thread, people suggest the possibilities of tape speed alteration or the fussiness of 12-strings of the time, both of which might be credible (esp the first). This 1975 live version seems a lot closer to A440.

Ha 3xp!

I feel like there could be something a little unnatural about the timbre of the voice on the recording; it seems noticeable when comparing to the live video. Tape speed alteration sounds believable to me.

I'm sure there's literally thousands of examples of tape speed manipulation knocking the overall pitch of tracks just slightly out of standard pitch. There's an entire Stranglers album (La Folie) that's like this because of the way Tony Visconti mixed it.

Then again, in the days of vinyl I'm sure different turntables all had their own inherent quirks which could potentially lead to further subtle pitch differences.

It's weird to think that there was a point in their early career where Zep had to mime their songs on TV shows like any other band of the era...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMRJSXHJ8ok

xpost Just about every song on "Highway to Hell" is in a different varispeed-manipulated key.

Obv. Zep get into tape manipulation a lot more on "Houses of the Holy" and "IV."

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Spotted one of these at work today

India exclusive (and/or bootleg)?

Squeeze my lemon, until the juice collects in the Tupperware...

Lid Zeppelin: Gonna Make You Burp, Gonna Make You Dish

Leftover The Hills and Far Away

D'yer Tup'er

Living, Loving Rubbermaid

got a whole lotta lunch

Quichemir

Rock and Casserole

Stairway to Oven

Tea For One

The Wonton Song

Achilles Cake Stand.

Four Chopsticks

Boogie With Stew

Traveling Liverwurst Blues

Tartbreaker

Mouth Bound Saurez

lol

Babe I'm Gonna Leave You (Leftovers)

Tupperware-ing and Tearing

How Many More Thymes

Nobody’s Pho But Mine

haaa

ahah

In My Time of Frying

Physical Spaghetti

Motherchips

When the levee bakes

Braised and confused

Stairway to leaven

Crumble on

Cold collation breakdown

I think I should stop this

Spotted dick

Really, I should stop. Who thought LZ food puns were my superpower.