3 days late but is this where I admit I liked Paw, Brad and Satchel too?
― Friedrich B. Neechy (Oor Neechy), Monday, 18 February 2019 22:31 (five years ago) link
Pigeonhed or gtfo
― steven, soda jerk (sic), Monday, 18 February 2019 22:42 (five years ago) link
them too
― Friedrich B. Neechy (Oor Neechy), Monday, 18 February 2019 22:49 (five years ago) link
Shawn Smith's voice is a beautiful thing.
Agreed! Saw a solo Showbox lounge show last decade, and his vocals were just as good live as on the albums. Shame no new Pigeonhed in the years since The Full Sentence.
― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Monday, 18 February 2019 23:03 (five years ago) link
Controversial nowhere but ILX: if you prefer Meditations, Ascension, or OM to any Coltrane prior to 1965, you are insane
― Paul Ponzi, Monday, 18 February 2019 23:17 (five years ago) link
you should've seen deej on the all time jazz poll then
― Friedrich B. Neechy (Oor Neechy), Monday, 18 February 2019 23:19 (five years ago) link
ahhh spiritual hat jazz ... a legendary debate
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 18 February 2019 23:29 (five years ago) link
theres def a rock critic reverence for all things spiritual hat at the expense of 'conservative' hard bop (what makes one conservative and one not decades later is left to the vague aesthetic rationalizations of the consumer)
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 18 February 2019 23:30 (five years ago) link
heh it's not really a debate when the entire thread piled on you, is it?
― Friedrich B. Neechy (Oor Neechy), Monday, 18 February 2019 23:30 (five years ago) link
if i was wrong maybe it wouldnt be a debate
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 18 February 2019 23:31 (five years ago) link
an awful lot of hard bop made it,no? I know I voted for a lot of it.
― Friedrich B. Neechy (Oor Neechy), Monday, 18 February 2019 23:32 (five years ago) link
Probably just depends on what the performer is wearing
― Evan, Monday, 18 February 2019 23:32 (five years ago) link
it was a fun poll to do though
xxxp for me this would have been the North Sea jazz festival I think in 1996? And I did in fact also see an underwhelming Wayne Shorter set that I can’t remember much else about (I was already a fan of his blue note albums at the time so it was a letdown).
For me Coltrane was at his best in the 1961 Village Vanguard sessions, but Interstellar Space is up there with the best ones for me.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 00:32 (five years ago) link
the vast majority of artists we like would make terrible ilxors
― calumy (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 00:36 (five years ago) link
For me Coltrane was at his best in the 1961 Village Vanguard sessions
for me too
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 00:54 (five years ago) link
― Paul Ponzi
any or all? because he did some stuff for junk money that is not necessarily up to the standard of "meditations"
― the scientology of mountains (rushomancy), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 01:06 (five years ago) link
Agree re village vanguard 1961, prob tied with the impulse self-titled for my fav Coltrane.
― brimstead, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 01:34 (five years ago) link
live at birdland is prob my number 1 tbh
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 02:25 (five years ago) link
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, February 18, 2019 3:29 PM (three hours ago
for posterity, please link? personally the stuff I tend to like ends up being right before the spiritual hat phase, so maybe i like avant-hat jazz? idk instinctively i feel like there is a lot of taste overlap between ppl who are into krautrock and psych and "spiritual hat jazz" ... maybe it's less so here than w/my friends ... idk
― sarahell, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 02:50 (five years ago) link
Oh Sun Ship is another fav though as far as later Coltrane. Sometimes I think elvin and McCoy sound frustrated by the Be direction on the later albums, but on that one the tension is good.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 05:01 (five years ago) link
By the *new* direction
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 05:02 (five years ago) link
this is the jazz poll
JAZZ IS LIKE HEROIN TO ME ! ! ! ~~~~ ILM POST-1945 JAZZ ALBUMS POLL - THE RESULTS COUNTDOWN (now counting top 25!)
dunno where exactly the spiritual hat debate kicks off, but it continues at length and throughout
― Number None, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 09:29 (five years ago) link
I still reckon peak Coltrane is the title track off Ole. Even thinking about it makes me want to run up a mountain and hoof an angry bull right in the spuds.
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 10:01 (five years ago) link
Big Star are terrible except for 'Holocaust' and (especially) 'Kanga Roo'.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 20 February 2019 10:40 (five years ago) link
I think those are two beautiful songs that attempt to make you think that (but it’s not true, the first two albums are perfect)
Most of the rest of Third is bad tho
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 20 February 2019 13:55 (five years ago) link
I think the last time I got annoyed by a music opinion on ILX was abt 15 or more years ago, when mark s said Big Star were roughly on a par w/ Wishbone Ash - so I'm p impervious to Big Star challopsing now
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 20 February 2019 14:02 (five years ago) link
I had no idea you were such a big Wishbone Ash fan, WF.
― Tim, Wednesday, 20 February 2019 14:04 (five years ago) link
I've been trying hard against unbelievable odds
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 20 February 2019 14:13 (five years ago) link
if the music you make isn't mostly autobiographic, it's trash. worthless.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 21 February 2019 20:10 (five years ago) link
^ good controp. don't agree with it however
― calumy (rip van wanko), Thursday, 21 February 2019 20:13 (five years ago) link
Spicy but totally and utterly wrong
― like him hate us? Sure you are. Its in the cool aid. (ultros ultros-ghali), Thursday, 21 February 2019 20:19 (five years ago) link
That is ridiculous
I'm of the opinion that everything you write is autobiographical, this post is autobiographical
And that, conversely, the least autobiographical writing is... autobiography, really. If you're writing something about a fictional dude who is doing fictional things, that tells your own story more accurately than if you give the Totally True Account Of What Happened Yesterday To Exactly You, which will be all slant and style and won't really be accurate at all
― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 21 February 2019 20:19 (five years ago) link
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, February 21, 2019 2:10 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i almost feel the opposite
though there are no rules! that's the problem with this thread, nothing is always true when it comes to music
my fav neil young quote is when asked if he music was autobiographical, he said, "i don't want listeners to think about me, i want them to think about themselves"
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 February 2019 20:24 (five years ago) link
I don't want to think about Neil Young either!
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Thursday, 21 February 2019 20:25 (five years ago) link
that's why music with vocals is only good 30%-40% of the time.
DOUBLIN` DOWN BITCHES
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 21 February 2019 20:28 (five years ago) link
i think Tonight's the Night gets a lot more notice because of its supposed autobiographical slant but it's not an autobiographical album, it just references a guy he knew in a couple songs (the same song really) and turns it into a rumination on death.
― omar little, Thursday, 21 February 2019 20:28 (five years ago) link
music with lyrics is for children
― steven, soda jerk (sic), Thursday, 21 February 2019 20:39 (five years ago) link
The solipsistic view of art where it can only be understood through "identification" leaves no room for expansion of horizons, also it's deeply patronising to both artists and audience.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 21 February 2019 20:45 (five years ago) link
there's an old big star thread where someone says they sound like kiss, that was a way weirder opinion than just thinking big star are bad
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 21 February 2019 20:47 (five years ago) link
it can only be understood through "identification" leaves no room for expansion of horizons
if this is the case, the author needs to consider another vocation.👍🏻
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 21 February 2019 21:51 (five years ago) link
was so disappointed when I realized Brotha Lynch Hung hadn't ate all them peoples
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 21 February 2019 23:15 (five years ago) link
Levon Helm was not in the Civil War
― Gunther Gleiben (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 21 February 2019 23:23 (five years ago) link
https://www.hotflick.net/flicks/2009_In_the_Electric_Mist/009IEM_Levon_Helm_002.jpg
― omar little, Thursday, 21 February 2019 23:24 (five years ago) link
― pomenitul, Wednesday, February 20, 2019 5:40 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
To paraphrase something a soundguy once said about my own band, "They sound like a box of cereal."
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 21 February 2019 23:30 (five years ago) link
Amen. I like Teenage Fanclub and the theme from That 70s Show much better than Big Star.
― ☮ (peace, man), Thursday, 21 February 2019 23:33 (five years ago) link
B-b-but the theme from That 70s Show IS Big Star.
― silent as a seashell Julia (Sund4r), Thursday, 21 February 2019 23:40 (five years ago) link
Cheap Trick playing Big Star tbf, but still a Big Star song.
they sound like a box of cereal because there's a Box Top in them
― Josefa, Thursday, 21 February 2019 23:42 (five years ago) link
I love Big Star and Teenage Fanclub but Cheap Trick is way better than both
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 February 2019 23:42 (five years ago) link