Led Zeppelin: Classic Or Dud?

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^ on French pressings, it's No Royale

Lee626, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 16:30 (five years ago) link

Royale Orleans

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 19 March 2019 16:38 (five years ago) link

Tangerine

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Tuesday, 19 March 2019 16:49 (five years ago) link

Trampled Under Food

Lammy's Show (Tom D.), Tuesday, 19 March 2019 18:38 (five years ago) link


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☮, 🐸 (peace, man), Tuesday, 19 March 2019 18:41 (five years ago) link

POLL

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 19 March 2019 19:28 (five years ago) link

four months pass...

I don't much care for Led Zeppelin, so I don't think I've ever clicked on an LZ thread, but I'm dying at all the food puns from four months ago. Good job, all!

confusementalism (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 8 August 2019 20:54 (five years ago) link

Put on your hair net and your morning gown
You know by night I'm gonna shake and bake'em on down

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 8 August 2019 21:11 (five years ago) link

You need boudin
Baby I'm not foolan'

confusementalism (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 8 August 2019 21:31 (five years ago) link

A friend recently sent me the clip of their Live Aid performance; it’s sure bad...

60... 90... 120 Minute IPA (morrisp), Thursday, 8 August 2019 21:40 (five years ago) link

I come from the land of ice cream and sno cones

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 8 August 2019 21:42 (five years ago) link

phil collins not a good idea xp

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 8 August 2019 21:46 (five years ago) link

I don’t think Phil was to blame!

60... 90... 120 Minute IPA (morrisp), Thursday, 8 August 2019 21:53 (five years ago) link

It's not Phil's fault! It's Robert and his bad singing, and Page and his bad playing/tuning, and Tony Thompson and his misplaced coked up aggression and a total lack of rehearsal, which Phil goes into in some detail in his book.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 August 2019 22:05 (five years ago) link

Cool clip H, thx for that

calstars, Thursday, 8 August 2019 23:49 (five years ago) link

Walleye My Love

weatheringdaleson, Friday, 9 August 2019 00:35 (five years ago) link

It's true the monitors were shot and Page's guitar hadn't been tuned...and Phil's 10x the drummer Tony Thompson is but he never rehearsed w/ them and he's so busy, it was just very off. I remember in an interview afterward they were kind of annoyed w/ him for not just holding it down

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 9 August 2019 01:46 (five years ago) link

ha but as a kid I remember being too excited to really notice this much

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 9 August 2019 01:49 (five years ago) link

The whole chapter in the Phil book is worth a read, especially about the transformation of his good friend Robert Plant into a raging asshole the closer the event came to becoming a Led Zeppelin reunion.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 August 2019 02:46 (five years ago) link

The bridge before the solo is where it really goes to sh1t

calstars, Friday, 9 August 2019 02:47 (five years ago) link

Of Stairway? He goes into that, specifically, in the book! It's down the the weird-ass timing of that stretch, which requires rehearsal to nail right.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 August 2019 02:54 (five years ago) link

'and Phil's 10x the drummer Tony Thompson"

huh? how do you figure?

veronica moser, Friday, 9 August 2019 12:34 (five years ago) link

Of Stairway? He goes into that, specifically, in the book! It's down the the weird-ass timing of that stretch, which requires rehearsal to nail right.

Aka the part every cover ever gets wrong

calstars, Friday, 9 August 2019 12:41 (five years ago) link

huh? how do you figure?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16OvXJ2kUZk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EWa_yV1JDE

or just...Abacab

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 9 August 2019 16:01 (five years ago) link

his playing on those Plant albums is awesome

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 9 August 2019 16:03 (five years ago) link

seconded -- especially the debu

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 August 2019 16:05 (five years ago) link

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TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 August 2019 16:05 (five years ago) link

Tony Thompson was obviously great!

The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 9 August 2019 16:06 (five years ago) link

Tony Thompson was (I guess like the other Chic guys) kinda a rock guy, but he more than the other two apparently always bristled at being labeled a disco dude and wanted to rock out. Which (plus the cocaine) partly explains the Live Aid debacle.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 August 2019 16:46 (five years ago) link

The crazy thing about Phil was that even as a solo star and a Genesis star he still toured as Plant's *drummer.* You can find a complete show on youtube, but the quality is iffy. Lots of clips of Phil backing people at those Prince's trust shows, though, like this clip backing Plant with Pete Townshend on guitar and Mick Karn on bass:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2FHDW5Frwc

Or Collins, Brian May and friggin' Rick Astley:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcBKbu35nPo

And here's Clapton at his lowest backed by Collins (at his peak):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQrxeTD_BEM

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 August 2019 16:56 (five years ago) link

yeah well the intro to "Some Like it hot," although futzed with by Bernard Edwards, is all time…he was the guy JP, RP and JPJ fucked around with in the late 80s to see if they could make a go of it…doubt that the fact they didn't is down to him…

veronica moser, Friday, 9 August 2019 19:18 (five years ago) link

The crazy thing about Phil was that even as a solo star and a Genesis star he still toured as Plant's *drummer.*

After Keith Moon died, Phil called up Townshend to offer his services. Pete turned him down at least in part because he couldn't imagine how Phil had time to be the drummer for the Who in addition to Genesis and his solo career.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 9 August 2019 19:40 (five years ago) link

I love the story about how, when Collins and John Martyn being neighbors and drinking buddies in the late '70s, Martyn was complaining about having to find a drummer for an upcoming session, and Collins volunteered. Martyn was like, "You play drums?!"

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 9 August 2019 19:50 (five years ago) link

I want to say the story with Plant or Clapton was much the same, too. One of them owned a neighboring house, but they didn't really know who Phil Collins was or that he played drums.

Anyway, the fact that Zep didn't reunite with Thompson playing drums was of course at least partly down to Thompson, who was totally coked out and not a good fit. But of course it was also down to Plant and Page not being on the same, er, page. Here's a good piece on the train wreck, whose highpoint is undoubtedly Plant describing the abortive rehearsals as "David Byrne meets Hüsker Dü." (tbf, Shaken 'n' Stirred is pretty Heads-y at times, and def. new wave (Belew-Wave?) weird all the time).

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/led-zeppelin-reunion-fails/

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 August 2019 21:34 (five years ago) link

fwiw in there:

For Thompson, the gig was a dream job. By that point, Thompson has already conquered the disco, dance and R&B worlds with Chic. He’d also recorded with many of the biggest names in rock and pop, including David Bowie, Mick Jagger, Madonna, Diana Ross and the Power Station supergroup with Robert Palmer and members of Duran Duran.

But playing with Page, Plant and Jones was different. “I grew up listening to Zeppelin -- they were my bible when I was a kid,” he told Modern Drummer in 2002. “Now, I assumed a song like ‘Rock and Roll’ was played a certain way. But when we started the song, Plant said, ‘No, that’s not it’ and Jonesy said, ‘It doesn’t go like that.’ (Original drummer John) Bonham had a way of playing that everyone thought was straight. You’d think ‘Rock and Roll’ is just a big two and four, but it’s not like that. It’s more like a Texas shuffle. ... Bonham was just so good. You can’t copy him."

What they lacked in decisiveness, direction and session time, it seems they made up for in carousing.

The foursome arguably spent more time in a tiny club in a little English village than they did writing, rehearsing or recording. The good times quickly turned into a bit of mess -- including a car crash and hospital stay for Thompson.

“Jonesy and I often chose to walk back to the place we were staying, at two in the morning. Pagey wouldn't come out, which is hardly the way to get everything back together again,” Plant recalled. “Meanwhile, Tony became a celebrity and was metaphorically earned around on everybody's shoulders. He ended up in one of these small mini-cars with five other people. They took a corner too fast and ended up in somebody's basement, went off the road, through some iron railings and down a few steps … . Tony was lying in the hospital going, ‘Oh, man, oh, man.’ So that was the end of him.”

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 August 2019 22:11 (five years ago) link

Where do the accounts of Tony being snowblind come from?

calstars, Friday, 9 August 2019 22:27 (five years ago) link

(Original drummer John) Bonham

got it thanks

budo jeru, Friday, 9 August 2019 22:37 (five years ago) link

xpost Nile book iirc

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 August 2019 23:13 (five years ago) link

fwiw in there:

_For Thompson, the gig was a dream job. By that point, Thompson has already conquered the disco, dance and R&B worlds with Chic. He’d also recorded with many of the biggest names in rock and pop, including David Bowie, Mick Jagger, Madonna, Diana Ross and the Power Station supergroup with Robert Palmer and members of Duran Duran.

But playing with Page, Plant and Jones was different. “I grew up listening to Zeppelin -- they were my bible when I was a kid,” he told Modern Drummer in 2002. “Now, I assumed a song like ‘Rock and Roll’ was played a certain way. But when we started the song, Plant said, ‘No, that’s not it’ and Jonesy said, ‘It doesn’t go like that.’ (Original drummer John) Bonham had a way of playing that everyone thought was straight. You’d think ‘Rock and Roll’ is just a big two and four, but it’s not like that. It’s more like a Texas shuffle. ... Bonham was just so good. You can’t copy him."

What they lacked in decisiveness, direction and session time, it seems they made up for in carousing.

The foursome arguably spent more time in a tiny club in a little English village than they did writing, rehearsing or recording. The good times quickly turned into a bit of mess -- including a car crash and hospital stay for Thompson.

“Jonesy and I often chose to walk back to the place we were staying, at two in the morning. Pagey wouldn't come out, which is hardly the way to get everything back together again,” Plant recalled. “Meanwhile, Tony became a celebrity and was metaphorically earned around on everybody's shoulders. He ended up in one of these small mini-cars with five other people. They took a corner too fast and ended up in somebody's basement, went off the road, through some iron railings and down a few steps … . Tony was lying in the hospital going, ‘Oh, man, oh, man.’ So that was the end of him.”_


Bonzo was the strongest link den yeah

calstars, Friday, 9 August 2019 23:50 (five years ago) link

In Zep? For sure. Plant and he were best friends, the two youngest players, from the same place and, iirc, tour roommates. JPJ traveled separately from the band, often with his family. And Page was a loon. Take Bonham out and what you're left with is not only a great band missing the greatest drummer, but three very different individuals.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 10 August 2019 00:45 (five years ago) link

Right. Seem to remember reading that in the beginning Page and Jones were the urban sophisticates and Bonham and Plant were the country bumpkins who literally huddled together in fear in certain novel stressful situations.

Another Fule Clickin’ In Your POLL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 10 August 2019 01:28 (five years ago) link

Collins makes out that Page was gaslighting him before they went on at Live Aid, Page asked him if he knew the songs, Collins sang the bridge part in Stairway and Page replied "No! No!", as if he was really wrong and PC has been indignant about it since.

And while there's no doubt Page was very much on the back foot, but as mentioned above, the timing of that part is strange and requires a bit of thinking instead of busking and feel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhlLtd19szw

MaresNest, Saturday, 10 August 2019 09:16 (five years ago) link

Yeah, but timing in the bridge of Stairway is the least of that Live Aid performance's problems. Plant sounds bad and Page looks and sounds terrible.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 10 August 2019 14:08 (five years ago) link

six months pass...

https://i.imgur.com/ewPIBFn.jpg

calstars, Monday, 17 February 2020 00:40 (four years ago) link

The translation of the upper right apparently is “jeff Beck guitar sound”

calstars, Monday, 17 February 2020 01:46 (four years ago) link

I love how light hearted, happy and young they look : )

calstars, Monday, 17 February 2020 01:48 (four years ago) link

And bonham’s little mustache :)

calstars, Monday, 17 February 2020 01:48 (four years ago) link


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