"I tell you the truth, one of you will betray me by suggesting I sup clothed."
― say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 21:36 (five years ago) link
The idea that we should not feel guilty about ruining the planet ...
The kernel of an interesting discussion is what is the extent something can be criticized by exaggerating it? A lot of acclerationist art romanticizes capitalism and uses this as an out and I’m more and more not buying it
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 21:41 (five years ago) link
What is an example of "acclerationist art"? Never heard of that
― What's that Phish song that goes "Bag it, Tag it"? (morrisp), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 21:45 (five years ago) link
xp that is also not the idea of what she's saying. the idea would be to create the feelings inside people that spur the most positive action or maybe to trick them into feeling the guilt they would close themselves off to otherwise.
― say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 21:46 (five years ago) link
Yeah - I thought the idea was to overcome / get beyond feeling "helpless" (not "guilty")
― What's that Phish song that goes "Bag it, Tag it"? (morrisp), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 21:48 (five years ago) link
“One song on the album, ‘Kill V Maim’, is written from the perspective of Al Pacino in The Godfather Pt 2,” Grimes said. “Except he’s a vampire who can switch gender and travel through space.”
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 21:53 (five years ago) link
imo that's extremely cool
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 22:31 (five years ago) link
My take is that she has a very awkward way of explaining it but I get what she’s trying to convey on her instagram post better. Explaining some of her visual ideas for it probably sounds stupid on paper but the idea of this “goddess of global warming” is kind of cool depending on execution... she refers to gods of death and destruction in other cultures so it’s not that cringey as a concept, it’s just that she gets overexcited about it and is hilariously bad at explaining it but she does have a good record when it comes to executing ideas in the past.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 23:05 (five years ago) link
lol this is so batty, does anyone genuinely think Claire Boucher thinks climate change is fake, or good, or not an actual problem? it feels super disingenuous and faux-naif to pretend that you actually believe she thinks this
― vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, March 20, 2019 5:18 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
a lot of ppl seem to really hate her :(
― flopson, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 23:20 (five years ago) link
there's also the element that the stereogum post is aggregating a paywalled wsj interview and pretty clearly aggregating the weirder stuff (at least I can only assume, since I don't pay for the wsj, but know how music blogging works)
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 23:23 (five years ago) link
xxp on the other hand "we appreciate power" was a pretty bad concept (that now seems slightly less bad in context of the album concept, but still) that was also executed poorly so i'm not optimistic
"kill v maim" rules solely on a musical level - the lyrics don't really amount to much on their own and without her explaining it i'd really have no idea about her ridiculous concept for it
― ufo, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 23:34 (five years ago) link
Fair enough, and I don’t mean to imply she’s like, you know, a Bad Person. Just that I’m feeling ideologically opposed to her and other tech-futurist artists like OPN or Holly Herndon. I’m also recently less convinced that art has a lot to offer in terms of politics these days.
For this, I took it as more like — climate change is just another interesting idea to make an album about, and situated it as something in the future involving mostly polar bears, rather than something that is happening now, to people. If people are already immured to the idea then idk how grimes’ psas will do anything aside from give her a marketing angle. the idea of some exaggerating and aestheticizing our relentless patterns of consumption as some badass elephant head eating anime goddess I guess just doesn’t resonate with me.
But I guess we’re at a better place than ten years ago where any talk of environmental issues in art world circles was met with sneers and derision.
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 23:41 (five years ago) link
I haven't read anything other than this thread but didn't Anohni already do the climate-accelerationist thing?
― seandalai, Thursday, 21 March 2019 01:23 (five years ago) link
Good lord - who gives a shit?
― flappy bird, Thursday, 21 March 2019 02:01 (five years ago) link
xp Yes, so did OPN. Lots of people are addressing climate change in their work in this way and have been for a while. Only recently has the tone shifted from "Hopelessness" (the title of the Anohni album iirc) to "Fuck it" (the correct position)
― flappy bird, Thursday, 21 March 2019 02:02 (five years ago) link
I mean, what can you do but laugh in the face of extinction?
― flappy bird, Thursday, 21 March 2019 02:04 (five years ago) link
Hey this is interesting:
According to the timestamps on her original MySpace page, Boucher began writing music under the name Grimes in 2007. Her performer name was chosen because at the time, MySpace allowed artists to list three musical genres. She listed grime for all three, before knowing what grime music was.[18][19]
― What's that Phish song that goes "Bag it, Tag it"? (morrisp), Thursday, 21 March 2019 02:50 (five years ago) link
Relatable
― flappy bird, Thursday, 21 March 2019 03:27 (five years ago) link
if someone isn't british it's probably pretty easy not to know what grime music is
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 21 March 2019 04:39 (five years ago) link
personally i'm too busy hating on her for providing tedious backstories for her songs up front to hate on her for her objectionable themes
― ⅋ (crüt), Thursday, 21 March 2019 05:33 (five years ago) link
Nothing makes me feel older than reading this thread
― Sam Weller, Thursday, 21 March 2019 12:34 (five years ago) link
I don’t really know what grime music is either, tbh, and I’ve been reading ILM for 12 years
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 21 March 2019 12:52 (five years ago) link
Don't feel bad, I still don't know the difference between drum 'n' bass, house or any of those subgenres. And I'm a professional DJ! (Not really.)
― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Thursday, 21 March 2019 12:53 (five years ago) link
I’ve honestly tried. But so many things are called dubstep that sound nothing like each other.
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 21 March 2019 12:54 (five years ago) link
It’s mostly the british ones. House and techno i get.
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 21 March 2019 12:58 (five years ago) link
Grime music is music that is grimy.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 21 March 2019 13:14 (five years ago) link
Everybody wanna sound grimey.
― ☮, 🐸 (peace, man), Thursday, 21 March 2019 14:18 (five years ago) link
and get a Grimy award.
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 21 March 2019 14:19 (five years ago) link
Or a Latin Grimy.
Have any other musicians/groups chosen their name based on a misunderstanding of what another genre was...
― Sam Weller, Friday, 22 March 2019 10:48 (five years ago) link
Gettin' all kindsa Grimey.
https://www.culturedmag.com/grimes-claire-boucher-c/
“The last album was a piece of crap,” she says. “I feel like people really misread it and it feels like a stain on my life.” She resists the notion that she tried to make a pop record, and considers it more of a genre exercise in which she demonstrated her range as a producer. “I just wish I could make music in a vacuum,” she claims, before retorting, “it’s good to make people mad actually, I retract my statement. If you can make people mad without actually hurting anyone, that’s probably a good thing.”...A preview of three new songs finds c excavating her emotions while constructing a sonic environment for her dark supervillain. Ominous guitar feedback meets sharp, whale call-sounding synths to form the underbelly of a standout called “So Heavy I Fell Through the Earth.” c says the song, whose mystifying lyrics ride an angelic vocal melody, is about how love can be like a poison. “Specifically how when a dude comes inside you, you become in their thrall—how it’s an attack on your feminist freedom,” she illustrates.
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A preview of three new songs finds c excavating her emotions while constructing a sonic environment for her dark supervillain. Ominous guitar feedback meets sharp, whale call-sounding synths to form the underbelly of a standout called “So Heavy I Fell Through the Earth.” c says the song, whose mystifying lyrics ride an angelic vocal melody, is about how love can be like a poison. “Specifically how when a dude comes inside you, you become in their thrall—how it’s an attack on your feminist freedom,” she illustrates.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 April 2019 17:29 (five years ago) link
Grimes otm for a change
― Simon H., Thursday, 4 April 2019 17:29 (five years ago) link
grimes
c
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 April 2019 17:33 (five years ago) link
incredible Kanye West energy in this promo cycle
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Thursday, 4 April 2019 17:48 (five years ago) link
which part xxp
― flappy bird, Thursday, 4 April 2019 17:49 (five years ago) link
“Specifically how when a dude comes inside you, you become in their thrall—how it’s an attack on your feminist freedom,” she illustrates.
I think this is a matter of perspective...
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 4 April 2019 17:52 (five years ago) link
I think I’ll like this record though. Never been disappointed with c’s music in the past
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 4 April 2019 17:57 (five years ago) link
By that logic, are facials considered microaggressions? Is felching the best way to remedey such an attack?
― Cousin Slappy, Thursday, 4 April 2019 19:29 (five years ago) link
dam thats egdy you should do a comedy sho!w
― they're not booing you, sir, they're shouting "Boot Edge Edge" (Will M.), Thursday, 4 April 2019 19:31 (five years ago) link
literally everything negative that people (self included) think about her is a result of her own doing.
also, i dislike everyday people like this:
retorting, “it’s good to make people mad actually, I retract my statement. If you can make people mad without actually hurting anyone, that’s probably a good thing.”
yeah, anger gets us to really productive places. i'm pretty sure dj has this same philosophy.👍🏻
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 4 April 2019 19:42 (five years ago) link
i don't honestly understand what she's talking about. art angels didn't make people angry--it was an amazing and accessible record that everyone loved.
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 4 April 2019 19:46 (five years ago) link
She lost the noise kids
― flappy bird, Thursday, 4 April 2019 20:59 (five years ago) link
ie people in the milieu she came up in. Not that many people, but artists historically have been hurt / fixated on losing their original or “authentic” fan base.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 4 April 2019 21:01 (five years ago) link
anecdotally lots of ppl hated art angels yea
― flopson, Thursday, 4 April 2019 21:04 (five years ago) link
It took me a while to be honest and I think plenty of people aren't gonna sit there and listen to it twice. It's a challenging record.
― ☮ (peace, man), Thursday, 4 April 2019 21:12 (five years ago) link
If by 'challenging' you mean 'insufferably poppy', yeah. I hated it when it came out and haven't revisited it since. Maybe I should – my ears are more lenient these days.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 4 April 2019 21:14 (five years ago) link
i didn't like it at first either bc i missed the moodiness. but then i realized grimes wanted to take me (the listener) out of the gloom that was her trademark and i thought it was a brave choice
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 4 April 2019 21:28 (five years ago) link
flesh without blood is one of my favorite tracks ever tbh.
i feel personally insulted that she is calling that album a "piece of crap" to be honest
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 4 April 2019 21:41 (five years ago) link
Art Angels still mostly rules and she spent the whole promo cycle talking about how she loved pop music and wanted to make something influenced by the pop music she loves so idk what she's on about when she now says she didn't try to make a pop album
there definitely was some backlash to it from fans of Visions who didn't like the new direction but that seemed relatively small overall
when she says she wishes she could make music in a vacuum i'm increasingly wishing that too because every new interview makes her seem more and more ridiculous and obnoxious unfortunately
― ufo, Thursday, 4 April 2019 21:49 (five years ago) link
drugs are a hell of a drugs
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 4 April 2019 21:50 (five years ago) link
mod please change thread title to Grimes/c Boucher thread
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 4 April 2019 21:51 (five years ago) link