King Crimson: Classic Or Dud

go see belew trio if you get a chance tho its good

Buford is totally retired.

go see belew trio if you get a chance tho its good

― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, April 2, 2019 7:47 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I have heard this! I missed him by a day on this last tour.

are Belew and Stewart Copeland still playing together? these setlists look great:

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/gizmodrome/2018/scala-london-england-bef91d2.html

the covers are good! they just belong to something already made

https://katemacdonalddotnet.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/p2050005.jpg

far as I can tell, the Belew/Stew band (with Mark King!) only played in London and I think Milan or something last year…they never came to the U.S. and so I don't think that Belew and Stew were going to curtail their normal doings when the record received such a tepid reception —it does in fact suck and Belew is back to his normal touring routine. But boy would I ever wanna see those guys play Stewart's Police shit and Belew's KC stuff that the Jakko Revue doesn't do… there is footage from the London shows where you can see Belew singing "miss Gradenko" and Stew playing "Elephant Talk."

I thought the album was pretty good, but then again I'm a big fan of Copeland's stuff and if you approach the record from that angle (it's basically a Klark Kent record with a great backing band) I think it holds up fine. A live album would be incredible, especially if they focus on old stuff that doesn't get played anymore - nu-Crimson playing the 80s stuff feels off to me, mainly because that era of the band is so walled off from everything that came before and after. And of course Belew's solo career has plenty of gems as well.

The studio albums will be on streaming services in May/June.

At a press event in London on Saturday, King Crimson manager David Singleton announced that the band’s entire studio-album catalog will soon launch on Spotify. Describing the move as part of an “outreach year” for the band, Singleton said the albums are set to begin streaming in time for the avant-rock legends’ upcoming 50th anniversary tour.

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Singleton said that the band’s 13 studio albums — from 1969’s In the Court of the Crimson King through 2003’s The Power to Believe — would roll out on other streaming platforms in May before arriving on Spotify on June 10th, the day King Crimson kick off their world tour in Leipzig, Germany.

“The reason we’ve been slow on Spotify is that, unlike apparently the whole of the rest of the industry that’s been telling us that physical is dead, we’ve had rising physical sales for probably the last 10 years,” Singleton said, referring to titles issued via the band’s own DGM label. “But that argument was valid for a while, and it isn’t anymore.”

He went on to say that, at this point, the pros of streaming outweigh the cons. “In the end, our prime function is to serve the music and make the music available, and Spotify has now definitely become one of the places that people, particularly younger people, find music.”

ugh

Pretty sure I cannot stream the albums via Amazon Music ...

Well there goes all P0rnhub's traffic

xp -- pretty sure you can't either, the deal doesn't start until May/June. Do you mean you won't be able to when the streaming deal starts?

king crimson seems to do a lot more mexico shows than other bands. do they have a really big following down there?

xpost I wasn't sure about Amazon because I don't think of it as a streaming service, per se, as opposed to Spotify, which is exclusively streaming. And that article (afaict) only specifies Spotify, right?

Singleton said that the band’s 13 studio albums — from 1969’s In the Court of the Crimson King through 2003’s The Power to Believe — would roll out on other streaming platforms in May before arriving on Spotify on June 10th, the day King Crimson kick off their world tour in Leipzig, Germany.

Yeah, I didn't know if that meant every streaming platform. And like I said, I don't necessarily think of Amazon as a streaming platform, but I guess it is? But cool if it happens or is happening.

New interview with Fripp.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/robert-fripp-interview-king-crimson-tour-david-bowie-kanye-west-820783/?fbclid=IwAR1DmPkXNIK_prz6CjHj3m_NNBMa3qbcuvy1rRKm9E6Mp1RzMmvGsXXE2y0

Nice interview, love RF forever.

great interview, i hope kc will go on forever, they are still so amazing live.

Love the idea that RF’s been trying to get someone to take over Crim for 35 years

Yeah, I thought that was funny. "I've been waiting here for someone to take over and ... " - eyes voracious team of lawyers - "... no one has lead the charge. So I guess it will just fall on Robert's shoulders, once again."

are we getting a new record anytime soon

If we do it’ll probably be edited down live stuff.

I still find it anomalous that this KC is pretty much an oldies band. Not that I'm complaining, far from it, but I'd like to hear Fripp's take on why he's mining the band's past more deeply now than ever before.

the answer would probably be something like "this is the first KC lineup worthy of the back catalogue"

reality of course is that they haven't really written any material for themselves so what else are you gonna do. not play that "penis of an alien" song I suppose

He's also building up a tidy little retirement fund, of course.

they have something like 2 full albums worth of new material that you can compile from the live sets. obviously most of it isn't 'songs' but some is (the errors comes to mind). I think he finds the live experience more interesting than the studio experience so yeah, if any 'only new material' album surfaces my guess is it would be from live sets, ala Starless and Bible Black.

They play that song! Xpost

haha yeah they do do that one but instrumental

All I really want from them is Larks 6

Yeah, they've got a bunch of unrecorded material that makes it into the live sets, and the old material is pretty thoroughly transformed - it's basically [riff you recognize] > [totally new arrangement, improvised solos, triple drum break] > [riff you recognize].

Maybe they've shaken things up since I saw them in 2015, then. At the shows I saw, the old stuff was treated pretty reverentially.

The most recent live set - Meltdown: Live In Mexico - was recorded on the tour I saw, with the eight-piece lineup. It gives a good idea of where they're at these days.

holy shit there's a soundboard of a complete muir-lineup gig coming out next week? hot damn

something that wasn't on one of those giant boxed sets?

Wait what?

Huh:

[q]It was also, coincidentally, the first King Crimson concert ever attended by writer and King Crimson biographer Sid Smith. He confirms that the capacity audience was quite content to hear unfamiliar material and respond with enthusiasm to the challenge presented. 

As he says of the recording: “Had this tape been available to the compilers of the 2012 Larks' Tongues In Aspic: The Complete Recordings 15-disc set, I have absolutely no doubt that this concert would have been the jewel in that particular crown. Good quality examples of the Muir-era quintet are so few and far between that, a soundboard tape like this is a precious find indeed.”



He’s absolutely correct and while this is – buyer beware – taken from a cassette made directly from the soundboard, with all of the audio limitations that implies, even after the DGM restoration team has applied its expertise to the tape, it is also the best single live example of Jamie Muir’s short time with this line-up and it’s there that the magic truly lies. 

This was King Crimson confidently playing the material that would, for the most part, make up the classic Larks’ Tongues in Aspic album – performed in its near entirety and, improvisations excluded, in the running order that would emerge on vinyl in early 1973 and which is still, some 46 years later, regarded as one of the band’s classic recordings and a classic of the era in which it was performed, recorded and released.

Taped with no expectation that it would be used other than, possibly, by a band member wanting to check an element of a previous night’s performance, an imperfect mix direct to cassette from a live feed, un-played since 1972 and still, as thrilling a live recording as you’re likely to encounter in 2019.[./q]

For those wondering: Live in Newcastle, December 8, 1972

Now that the latest lineup has been together for 5 years(!!), I went back to—or rather, went to, since I’d never heard it—the record Fripp made in 2011 with Jakko, Mel Collins, Gavin Harrison and Tony Levin, A Scarcity of Miracles. Deemed “a King Crimson ProjeKct” at the time, with a little hindsight it sounds like both a warmup for the current band and maybe a bit of a trial run at a potentially new direction for the current incarnation of the band that they sorta/kinda/didn’t really pursue.

Based on some guitar improvs Fripp and Jakko recorded, ASoM has a cleaner, glossier modern prog sound more akin to Steven Wilson’s recent material than anything by Crimson to that point. A bunch of material here is, in effect, Fripp Soundscapes (most of which are recycled from pieces he’d played solo and with Theo Travis for about a decade) plus vocals and a rhythm section.

As a fan of Soundscapes, I find the concept of turning them into tunes and performances intriguing even if the results are not particularly captivating. I do like the rhythm interplay of Levin and Harrison. I also like the sound of the guitars interlaid with the ethereal harmonies – Jakko’s voice layers well. And Collins is responsible for some classy horn charts and tasty solos that keep things from floating away – he sounds particularly good here.

The tunes? Well they’re pleasant enough if not especially memorable (a few have popped up on the recent KC live albums). In retrospect, even if they’ve included some new material on the live albums I do wonder whether Fripp’s reluctance to take this most recent lineup into the studio has anything to do with him not being totally convinced the songs would be there.

But all in all, this is interesting ... and sounds more like a slightly poppier, more atmospheric version of the current Crimson than I’d been expecting. ProjeKct ho.

Interesting that most of the studio albums have arrived on spotify, but not ITCOCK or Larks. I thought they'd all drop in one bunch. I wish they'd add USA and the Great Deceiver box as well.

Red isn't there either.

Yeah, I think it's meant to be a gradual rollout and those are the "big three," so I guess he's saving them for last...

Sorry to disappoint fans eager to experience the full set of studio albums on Spotify. The omission is on Spotify's side rather than King Crimson's. They have been made aware of it & are working to rectify the matter.

— KING CRIMSON (@DGMHQ) June 11, 2019

Rieflin's regular stints away from Crimson explained, presumably, by this:

https://www.dgmlive.com/news/Francesca%20Sundsten%20RIP?fbclid=IwAR2ZfJM9sbwpkI-Xy0v8FqzRyD7eZxt7tFVOv-kTvT-Wl9MEdKgTp4v-dv4

Oh, that's terrible news. She was a fantastic artist.

Aw. I'd describe her work as instantly iconic. I associated her so closely with Crimson's work that I never once thought who was doing the art!

her paintings are really cool. for KC I liked them much more than the PJ Crook stuff they'd been using for much of the 90's/00's.

Report from the field- night 2 of the Oakland stand just concluded. From my vantage at the very back of the house, they still peeled the paint off when it came to Fracture, Schizoid & especially Starless, which was as good a take as I’ve heard them do. The stately stuff was good too- especially the coda of Court.

The drum features were more pronounced and much longer than ever- I suspect it’s a necessary break for this aged group.

Hey, I was there, too. Way in the back. I agree with your assessment. I’ve always wanted to see them and now I have.

Set list was pretty concise- they went long on the big set pieces, less of the Lizard/Islands stuff they’d been doing, and no new tunes.