lol Moka
― buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:19 (five years ago) link
footage of Twitter v Grimes:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak7daE1CYD4
― buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:22 (five years ago) link
petition to make grimes say "we live in a society" on the new album
― fits, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:31 (five years ago) link
4th: “I’m not locked in here with you... you’re locked in here with me” (ft. Azealia Banks)― mumsnet blvd (wins), Wednesday, April 17, 2019 10:01 AM (thirty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
genuine lol, thanks for that.
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:34 (five years ago) link
as long as she sticks to being an ideological ding-dong that makes interesting music I'm in
I get that as someone with a level of fame and the resulting platform there's the responsibility to use it, etc, but assuming this is an actual outlook and not a public persona that supports a concept album... well, thanks Canada, for a Rush for the twenty-teens
― mh, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:41 (five years ago) link
“Without me doing anything, just by random association with other people, I’ve watched my career and my reputation get totally fucking smashed,” she says. “I worked my whole fucking life for this and now everyone thinks I’m so stupid. I was just sitting there incredulous watching my life’s work go down the drain.”
"random association" you say
― buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:47 (five years ago) link
where's that emil.y quote about grimes being a popular kid making out she's so weird, like
― imago, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:52 (five years ago) link
You guys are acting like the high school kids, honestly!Maybe b/c I’m not a “fan” and have no real investment in Grimes, her music, or her “politics” — but the reactions she elicits in this thread, for doing/saying not-very-controversial-seeming things, are v bizarre to me.
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:58 (five years ago) link
saying that humanity should be enslaved by robots, that the world is going to end and that's cool and funny to her, that democracy is not working, overall lightweight post tumblr anime nihilism, at a point in history where climate change and inequality seem to be tipping into overt fascism -- you don't see HOW someone could be upset about these ideas, even if you don't care? i mean sure twitter is satanic and the way it makes fans feel entitled to an artists time / psyche is fucked but also a separate convo imo
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 15:04 (five years ago) link
I don’t know about controversy, but I feel like ppl would make fun of any high-profile musician coming out with this kind of shit
the jduge orders me to take off my anonymous v mask & im wearing the joker makeup underneath it. everyone in the courtroom groans at my shit— wint (@dril) March 10, 2015
― mumsnet blvd (wins), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 15:10 (five years ago) link
considering I derived some entertainment from a Matthew Barney film that was conceivably a commentary on whaling that took place on a whaling ship but had as a feature attraction a giant vat of petroleum jelly and had a scene with the artist and his partner cutting at each other with knives... ok, I'm not sure where I'm going with this
in any case, art (and artists) can have contradictory or even muddled takes on issues you may care about and it's fine to enjoy the art despite that conflict
if it's some "what about the kids" thing then, hey, there are a lot worse influences that have very clear takes on things
― mh, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 15:14 (five years ago) link
wins otm
AI fascism is, like other sorts of nihilism, a coping mechanism for despair over the future. I think it's interesting that Grimes is working with these themes (accelerationism, climate change, AI, fascism vs democracy) and I hope she does interesting things with them in her music. They're looming issues for most of us so it's v relevant work which is really what we should be asking from our artists. Whether she does it in the politically preferred manner is a different question and sorta a distraction since making sure your politics are right vis-a-vis eschatology is pretty fiddling while the world burns. nb that I don't judge people who find this approach disturbing as well as they're dealing with the same anxieties and concerns about the disintegration of society and what that will unleash among humanity when the chains of civilization have weakened and previously condemnable behavior is rampant. But I don't think any artist is obligated to assuage those concerns by parroting the correct perspective. If she ends up signing up with the Nazi party tho I'll be really disappointed in her.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 15:15 (five years ago) link
The dril tweet is funny, but she’s presenting the “they want a villain? I’ll be a villain” thing as an aesthetic strategy for dealing w/ climate change (as we’ve discussed at length above)... maybe it’s a “bad” one that will fail, but it seems like something different than cheap internet nihilism.
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 15:19 (five years ago) link
(Also I guess the “real” political actions of hers mentioned in this thread trump the silly AI-takeover rhetoric for me)
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 15:25 (five years ago) link
so she's making art that explicitly accepts the reality of global climate change and postulates negative effects of machine learning technologies and casts the stance of being for unfettered change in those realms as villainous
hrrm
― mh, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 15:26 (five years ago) link
on the other hand, the Joker.. is incredibly cool so maybe villains are good
― mh, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 15:27 (five years ago) link
(sorry, I mean “the article” — not “this thread,” lol)xp
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 15:30 (five years ago) link
look, everyone is assuming she means batman's the joker, but steve miller band's "The Joker" includes a line about a "space cowboy" that is very muskian. this album is going to sound like steve miller band.
― Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 16:39 (five years ago) link
now you all know what it's like to be a fan of Billy Corgan
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 16:40 (five years ago) link
Not me, I’m not certain I’ve ever heard any grimes song before this new single. My eyerolling is purely opportunistic
― mumsnet blvd (wins), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 16:43 (five years ago) link
"My dark hour My dark hour, you know it's drivin' me wild"
some new grimes lyrics about grimes main alter ego? nope. more steve miller band.
― Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 16:43 (five years ago) link
I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 16:52 (five years ago) link
the fans have rejected her metal, i.e. her songs that sound like the flaming lips. give us your 'take the money and run'.
― Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 16:52 (five years ago) link
"I think it's interesting that Grimes is working with these themes (accelerationism, climate change, AI, fascism vs democracy) and I hope she does interesting things with them in her music. They're looming issues for most of us so it's v relevant work which is really what we should be asking from our artists. Whether she does it in the politically preferred manner is a different question and sorta a distraction since making sure your politics are right vis-a-vis eschatology is pretty fiddling while the world burns."
lmfao. OR, maybe making shitty reheated gravity kills tracks while talking about how climate change is, to you, mostly a cool freeing artistic abstraction rather than something that is actively killing people right now, is the real fiddling?
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:03 (five years ago) link
Yes she’s a musician her job is to fiddle
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:05 (five years ago) link
grimes needs to find god. she should collaborate with hunter hunt-hendrix
― imago, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:06 (five years ago) link
the "grimes doesn't take climate change seriously" bad faith take is truly the worst
― Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:07 (five years ago) link
(the "grimes does take wolf-whistle guitar mimicry seriously" good faith take is truly the best)
― Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:16 (five years ago) link
She clearly made the right move, I can't believe people are actually pissed and taking the bait on this one. Who gives a shit? It's an interesting and at the very least unique position to take as an artist now, it's also an understandable reaction to being told we're facing an unstoppable apocalypse.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:22 (five years ago) link
flappy maybe some self-awareness about how much u love artists that are overgrown trolls is due
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:24 (five years ago) link
artists should be trolls tho maybe not all of them but provocations are def part of their job
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:26 (five years ago) link
i'm... pretty sure i didn't read this piece in bad faith, it restates a lot of points she made in her last terrible interview in a way that makes them feel narrower, more depressing, and less interesting
albeit i have been known to enjoy deeply nihilistic art so we'll see
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:26 (five years ago) link
"artists should be trolls" isn't a perspective i agree with sorry mordy
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:28 (five years ago) link
it is funny tho all the horrific things artists say thru their art about that we generally are cool w/ but w/ grimes it's all hands on deck this is an outrage etc like maybe there's more going on here than "her politics are bad" don't want to turn this isn't an idpol thing but ppl's expectations about her seem kinda weird to me. are these ppl also upset about lolita or satanism in black metal or whatever.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:29 (five years ago) link
xp it's not the only thing they do brad but claiming that artists trolling is a bad thing seems imo to miss what a lot of art is actually about (provocations)
flappy maybe some self-awareness about how much u love artists that are overgrown trolls is due― american bradass (BradNelson)
― american bradass (BradNelson)
yes professor
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:31 (five years ago) link
it's just so fucking hilarious how boring and obvious she is! literally and how you guys are like actually this is 7D provocateur chess
like i know you are on the internet all the time this is just like rolling fedora thread bullshit that should be nothing but clowned on
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:32 (five years ago) link
Pretty much.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:34 (five years ago) link
I'm just gonna keep enjoying her music as long as she makes music I like. These weird interviews are fun I guess, but I don't really care.
― silverfish, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:38 (five years ago) link
otm to all. this is mostly just boring. idea about last supper photo was fine arts major embarrassing graduation show boring and bad. i'm happy she's found a theme that allows her to feel ok about making new music for the twitter wolves.
― Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:42 (five years ago) link
None of this affects my enjoyment of her music (or lack thereof) in the least. Whether she’s deliberately trolling or not I’m just amused by how obviousness is invariably the most successful approach when it comes to attracting attention.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:42 (five years ago) link
absolutely, "clowned on" is the correct response. earnest anger, even annoyance, baffles me here, just as it did last week with Bret Easton Ellis. I like artists that are willing to use themselves as battering rams to explore controversial and provocative ideas - how that process plays out in public is what's interesting to me, not the ideas themselves necessarily. conflating "trolls" with provocateurs is such an art-negative point of view
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:43 (five years ago) link
a bit condescending to "the public" there, flappy
― Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:45 (five years ago) link
The only thing I know is that new Grimes music exists and maybe will be released, but probably not soon. It's just as likely it will all be scrapped based on reactions she may be absorbing from the internet by osmosis whether she is connected to it or not.
― ☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:47 (five years ago) link
what do you mean xp
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:50 (five years ago) link
as a grimes fan i guess i support AI totalitarianism now too
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:52 (five years ago) link
we all knew you had it in you treesh
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:55 (five years ago) link
xxp you made it sound like you are an enlightened observer of these grand experiments performed by artists on an unwitting public. but it seems more likely that you, like me and everybody else ever, probably just enjoy some tabloid drama trash with your coffee.
― Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:55 (five years ago) link
"time keeps on slipping, slipping, slipping into the future" - Steve Miller, AI nihilist
― Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:58 (five years ago) link