i mean he was gigging in jazz clubs in johannesburg in the late '50s, though his stage name was initially a tip of the hat to shelly manne, which sort of gives you a clue as to the type of jazz he was playing
― budo jeru, Friday, 17 May 2019 14:16 (five years ago) link
Did not know all that and just read more about it, thanks.
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 May 2019 14:31 (five years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/ymV4Mco.jpg
9. I'll Never Fall in Love Again — 601 Points, 14 Votes, 1 first-place votelyric: Hal DavidDionne Warwick, 1970 single, 445 points — https://youtu.be/FzQBOBoPg04Bobbie Gentry, 1969 single, 60 points — https://youtu.be/S-g2RCdk8nIBurt Bacharach & Elvis Costello, from The Spy Who Shagged Me soundtrack (1999), 60 points — https://youtu.be/yNJLrLS6VG0Ella Fitzgerald, 1969 single, 24 points — https://youtu.be/dxfMIAZw1RYJill O'Hara & Jerry Orbach, from the Promises, Promises Broadway cast recording (1968), 12 points — https://youtu.be/1xp_-mHR8gY
― WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 14:32 (five years ago) link
Voted for Dionne but the Elvis Costello version has grown on me.
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 May 2019 14:37 (five years ago) link
dionne's vocal is lovely but this song just doesn't have hook imo, it's just continually unresolved in a way that i find mildly unpleasant
― budo jeru, Friday, 17 May 2019 14:40 (five years ago) link
probably the germs to catch pneumonia
it's great
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 May 2019 14:41 (five years ago) link
Even though I voted for it, this song has always seemed lyrically a little undercooked, a little rushed -- which makes sense since they had one whole day to write it. "Out of those chains, those chains that bind you" -- repeating the phrase feels like placeholder text, "I'll come up with something better later" but he never did.
But anyway, I love the spareness of the Jill & Jerry version, just acoustic guitar and a little bass.
― WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 14:41 (five years ago) link
i always though the Warwick version was released as a single in '69, to ensure that the show had a hit before it opened?
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 May 2019 14:42 (five years ago) link
the b-side of that ella fitzgerald 45 is "savoy truffle" ??
― budo jeru, Friday, 17 May 2019 14:44 (five years ago) link
Both "Close to You" and to a lesser extent "W & H" have too much treacle for me to embrace
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 May 2019 14:45 (five years ago) link
Nope, Dionne rode the coattails for once. xp
budo jeru, yes! I keep meaning to listen to it...
― WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 14:45 (five years ago) link
Ella version of “Savoy Truffle” not bad, yet another side benefit of this thread.
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 May 2019 14:48 (five years ago) link
Yeah, I think that was the one.
― WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 14:49 (five years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/O8oNEQa.jpg
8. Make It Easy On Yourself — 611 Points, 10 Votes, 1 first-place voteLyric: Hal DavidThe Walker Brothers, 1965 single, 306 points — https://youtu.be/bZTS9H-l5qQJackie Trent, from Once More With Feeling (1967), 155 points — https://youtu.be/y_FN9-mthXAJerry Butler, 1962 single, 150 points — https://youtu.be/eKERP-GocsI
In early 1962 after the "Mexican Divorce" recording session, Burt and Hal started using Dionne Warwick as vocalist on their demos. Here's the demo of "Make It Easy On Yourself" - https://youtu.be/PCtVWYsnzNA
― WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 15:03 (five years ago) link
Had Jerry Butler version at #8. Believe that was Burt’s first (uncredited) session as producer and not just as arranger.
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 May 2019 15:13 (five years ago) link
That was my #1. Opted for the Jackie Trent version, largely for the big orchestral arrangement tbh.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 17 May 2019 15:15 (five years ago) link
Dionne thought she was actually cutting "MIEOY" not as a demo, but as her debut single, and when Jerry Butler's version was released, she confronted Burt & Hal and told them, "Don't Make Me Over"...and the rest is history.
― a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 17 May 2019 15:17 (five years ago) link
Also: I was the #1 for "I'll Never..." Such a cheerful mix of the melancholy and optimism, Bacharach & David at a fine-tuned peak.
― a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 17 May 2019 15:22 (five years ago) link
I thought that demo sounded awfully close to a release-ready track.
― WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 15:26 (five years ago) link
Make It Easy was my number 3, it's my favourote Walker Bros track bit i couldn't make it my favourite BB track but that version is carved in granite, it's immense
― Doctor Nu (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 May 2019 15:26 (five years ago) link
The first song on their first album, huge right out of the gate.
― WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 15:28 (five years ago) link
Has anything ever suited Scott's delivery more? I don't think so
― Doctor Nu (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 May 2019 15:29 (five years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/3hE8Le6.jpg
7. Baby It's You — 642 Points, 14 VotesLyric: Mack David, "Barney Williams" (Luther Dixon)The Shirelles, 1961 single, 439 points — https://youtu.be/CRrxjk3qgRcThe Beatles, from Please Please Me (1963), 179 points — https://youtu.be/WEvrCiQ0doQSmith, 1969 single, 24 points — https://youtu.be/IuWsRkF5SIo
Fun fact: the Smith version (#5) outperformed the Shirelles (#8) and the Beatles (1995 reissue, #67) on the Billboard Hot 100.
― WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 15:36 (five years ago) link
too low
― budo jeru, Friday, 17 May 2019 15:37 (five years ago) link
Burt:
Luther Dixon loved the song but he wanted Mack to rewrite the lyrics to make it darker. Luther came up with the "cheat, cheat" part and took a co-songwriting credit for himself under the name Barney Williams. I think he was the one who changed the title to "Baby, It's You."
When we recorded the song, Luther had Shirley Owens, the lead singer of the Shirelles, come into the studio by herself to put a new lead vocal on the track. In every other way, the finished record is exactly the same as my demo, with everything I put on it still there. If you listen carefully right before she starts her lead vocal on the intro and the "sha-la-la-las" come up in the background, you can hear me shouting them out and sounding so bad and really loud.
― WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 15:39 (five years ago) link
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 May 2019 15:41 (five years ago) link
hal david's nickname was mack ? lol
― budo jeru, Friday, 17 May 2019 15:43 (five years ago) link
No, Mack David was Hal's brother!
― WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 15:45 (five years ago) link
intriguing
― budo jeru, Friday, 17 May 2019 15:45 (five years ago) link
mack's writing credits go back to the '30s,like chick webb and stuff
― budo jeru, Friday, 17 May 2019 15:49 (five years ago) link
[Mack] David had a varied interest in musical composition. In 1975, according to the New York Times in David's obituary: "Mr. David was granted a patent for inventing an electronic system for composing songs from fractional recordings. The system, which included playback units, stored records of lyrics and melodies. The operator selected words and music that fit together and recorded the combination."[1]
Dang!
― WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 15:49 (five years ago) link
I had forgotten about Mack, despite having read and reread The Beatles: An Illustrated Record dozens of times.
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 May 2019 15:50 (five years ago) link
the "sha-la-la-las" come up in the background, you can hear me shouting them out and sounding so bad and really loud./
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 May 2019 15:51 (five years ago) link
^ lol yup
xp also the original lyrics to "la vie en rose" -- which are in english and were translated into french for edith piaf. i never knew this.
― budo jeru, Friday, 17 May 2019 15:52 (five years ago) link
I never noticed it before until I listened for it specifically -- pretty funny. xp
― WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 15:53 (five years ago) link
my post about "la vie en rose" was wrong nvm
― budo jeru, Friday, 17 May 2019 15:54 (five years ago) link
I thought maybe that “sha-la-la” was The Beatles leaking into the track through a short time travel hop.I even like the John Sayles film of the same name, which features the Shirelles version of the song, even though he disowned it, I believe. Although I think they monkeyed with the soundtrack after the original release because of rights, substituting “Shout” with “Surfin’ Bird,” for example.
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 May 2019 15:55 (five years ago) link
actually i can’t figure out the truth about “la vie en rose” but i will stop talking about it.
― budo jeru, Friday, 17 May 2019 16:06 (five years ago) link
“Smith”? Is the artist name really just Smith? Weird.
Not a fan of this song tbh but the Elvis Costello version is OK
― Jeff W, Friday, 17 May 2019 16:09 (five years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/Fz1U6zH.jpg
6. Anyone Who Had a Heart — 654 Points, 12 Votes, 1 first-place voteLyric: Hal DavidDionne Warwick, 1963 single, 654 points — https://youtu.be/qMsiGMKHJ8k
― WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 16:10 (five years ago) link
"baby it's you" would have been my #1, if i knew enough bacharach songs to vote. (but then again, if i knew more songs, maybe it wouldn't be...nm. love this song so much)
― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 17 May 2019 16:10 (five years ago) link
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 May 2019 16:12 (five years ago) link
Okay here is the later version, missing “Shout” and “A Lover’s Concerto” and I can’t remember what else:https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0085208/soundtrack?ref_=ho_web
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 May 2019 16:20 (five years ago) link
#6 my #1
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 May 2019 16:21 (five years ago) link
Yup. They were a California bar band made good. Their debut album was titled A Group Called Smith. My parents saw them live in 70-71, with an up and coming combo called ZZ Top opening.
― a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 17 May 2019 16:27 (five years ago) link
You sure that opening act wasn’t called The Zombies?
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 May 2019 16:28 (five years ago) link
A funny thing about clips of Smith is that their guitar player is almost a dead ringer for Noddy Holder, down to the big hat.
― a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 17 May 2019 16:31 (five years ago) link
XP Naw, this was the Top. Dad claimed he bought their first album at the merch stand.
― a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 17 May 2019 16:32 (five years ago) link
The Smith vote was from me, a nostalgic vote from my Orange County days. Gayle McCormick really delivers on that one.
― WmC, Friday, 17 May 2019 16:33 (five years ago) link
did Warwick's sister record any BB tunes?
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 May 2019 16:36 (five years ago) link