Why are they embarrassing?
― Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 14:42 (four years ago) link
This 4-different-deluxe-editions-each-with-different-pages-of-diary-entries is one of the great formatting wheezes of recent years. ZTT would be proud
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9R3rLQWwAAWlkt.jpg
― piscesx, Tuesday, 27 August 2019 14:53 (four years ago) link
in order to go to the Paris show in a couple of weeks I bought a different deluxe edition that comes with a tote bag, a phone grip, some temporary tattoos based on images from the "You Need To Calm Down" video, and four pretty big post cards. it cost 40 € but with a ticket to the show included, I'm ok having this goofy junk.
― L'assie (Euler), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 15:00 (four years ago) link
https://www.difymusic.com/taylorswift
in case anyone cares.
― L'assie (Euler), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 15:01 (four years ago) link
40€ only for a CD+show ticket ?? That's very cheap !
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 27 August 2019 15:03 (four years ago) link
yes ! at the Olympia
― L'assie (Euler), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 15:08 (four years ago) link
I don't even care about her but I may get it just for the opportunity !
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 27 August 2019 15:10 (four years ago) link
Oh, of course, it's sold out...
I'm suprised she plays at the Olympia : shouldn't she play Bercy or even Stade de France or is she not that big in France ?
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 27 August 2019 15:12 (four years ago) link
she played the Zenith in 2011 but it didn't sell out and she's not played France since. This show is mostly for promotion; there are 200 tickets being sold along with those boxes, and there's a loterie for some other tickets; but I think it'll be a lot of radio people there who she's trying to charm into playing her stuff & breaking her here. I don't think she's yet very popular here; the review in Libération yesterday was characteristically blasé.
― L'assie (Euler), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 15:18 (four years ago) link
Bizarre.Ariana is playing at Bercy tonight... and tomorrow !
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 27 August 2019 15:23 (four years ago) link
looking at her previous chart positions the best she's ever charted in France was #9 with 1989 (Red was 30, Reputation was 16), so yeah she doesn't seem to be very popular in France, at least not compared to most of the world which wpuld make touring there not a good prospect for her. it seems like the only time she's really toured Europe was the Speak Now tour - more recently she's only played the UK and Ireland consistently, with some dates in Germany and the Netherlands but nowhere else.
― ufo, Tuesday, 27 August 2019 15:30 (four years ago) link
Beyoncé played the Stade de France with Jay-Z last summer. it's not like American music is unpopular here. & yet Swift struggles. I reckon it's that Swift was a country artist, and there's absolutely no interest in that here (and not much elsewhere in Europe either).
― L'assie (Euler), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 15:40 (four years ago) link
yeah that's my guess too - not much appetite for country in Europe and then probably didn't have the resources put into really trying to breakthrough in Europe when she did go pop due to the existing lack of interest - some of her pop singles seem to have been hits in France though but not to the same degree as elsewhere
― ufo, Tuesday, 27 August 2019 15:48 (four years ago) link
Americans are not permitted to say they "fancy" someone
― Number None, Tuesday, 27 August 2019 16:21 (four years ago) link
To my ears, she comes across as playful rather than fake.
― cpl593H, Tuesday, 27 August 2019 17:16 (four years ago) link
playful but still deeply embarrassing
"paper rings" kinda sounds like it was made to soundtrack a target commercial - i'm still on the fence about it
― klu, Tuesday, 27 August 2019 19:05 (four years ago) link
well you are talking about an artist who released 4 different versions of the album at target...
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 27 August 2019 19:10 (four years ago) link
Ha, that reminds me that, er, "Me" is being used by the ABC network in Fall preview commercials.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 19:27 (four years ago) link
Can't spell ABC without ME.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 August 2019 19:36 (four years ago) link
there's a capital one commercial where taylor plays a diner waitress and "me!" plays in the background... it sounds prefect in that setting
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 27 August 2019 19:42 (four years ago) link
I'm listening to this album now and i have news:
it's good
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, August 27, 2019 4:00 AM (thirteen hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
extremely benoit & sergio vibes from much of it!
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, August 27, 2019 4:13 AM (thirteen hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
what the? i wish there were these vibes, pls explain
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 27 August 2019 21:42 (four years ago) link
i most enjoy cruel summer & the more ballad leaning songs -- soon youll get better is great & just endlessly, universally relatable; lover is like 90% great but is slightly off somehow
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 27 August 2019 21:45 (four years ago) link
lover is like 90% great but is slightly off somehow
Yeah, it's the bridge! It just kills me... this could have been an almost perfect song.
I'm no songwriter, but I feel like they could have even somehow segued right from the 2nd chorus into the the final two lines of the bridge ("And you'll save all your dirties jokes for me...") -- that section works fine melodically, it's the rest of it that sticks out like a sore thumb. Of course, that would mean losing lyrical content.
― Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 22:12 (four years ago) link
it's not a very sophisticated comparison, I'm just talking about the slow synthy moody ones like the archer, cornelia street..xpost
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 22:13 (four years ago) link
ok now i like “miss americana” lol
― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 22:28 (four years ago) link
I really like "Lover"; I love when she's able to turn the broad, generic statements around into the brutally specific, like in "Your are in love", and I can feel it happening here in the "guitar scars" line.
― cpl593H, Tuesday, 27 August 2019 22:55 (four years ago) link
i know this’ll wear off eventually but i’m pretty sure “death by a thousand cuts” and “afterglow” are my favorite taylor swift songs
― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 22:58 (four years ago) link
"Death By A Thousand Cuts" is mostly v good but the bit about getting lost in a "haunted club" (?) and "our songs, our films, united we stand" etc is very odd to me
I agree those lyrics are odd, but I like the "wtf" aspect; the way everything gets kicked up a notch into this heightened register, and suddenly she's not just singing about a failed relationship anymore.
Btw (to balance my picking apart the bridge of "Lover" above) -- this is an example of the kind of bridge that really works for me, melodically -- it effortlessly flows from the section that preceded it, feels like a "natural part of the song," and even elevates the song / makes you go "yeah!". I love when bridges do that. And those weird lyrics are part of the overall effect... I get a scalp tingle when she launches into, "Our songs, our films...."
― Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 17:14 (four years ago) link
this is our house, these are our rules..
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 17:15 (four years ago) link
I had more trouble with the "Went home and tried to stalk you on the internet/Now I've read all of the books beside your bed" on "Paper Rings" -- the latter too incongruously weird for the persona she's created.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 17:18 (four years ago) link
im not sure if that one is supposed to be taken as "i stalked you on the internet so well that i read the books you own" or "we have spent so much time together that i've read the books next to your bed"... either way i don't mind that one but there are def some lyrics that don't really track for me even on like "the archer"
I wake in the night, I pace like a ghostThe room is on fire, invisible smokeAnd all of my heroes die all aloneHelp me hold onto you
pacing like a ghost (?) and the room is on fire but the smoke is invisible ... wha
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 28 August 2019 17:46 (four years ago) link
Taylor swift who can recall her past lives
― Simon H., Wednesday, 28 August 2019 17:48 (four years ago) link
im not sure if that one is supposed to be taken as "i stalked you on the internet so well that i read the books you own" or "we have spent so much time together that i've read the books next to your bed".
It's the latter; same with the next verse:
Like the shoulder that I gave you in the streetCat and mouse for a month or two or threeNow I wake up in the night and watch you breathe
― Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 17:54 (four years ago) link
“room is on fire / invisible smoke” is taylor pulling apart a metaphor for an anxiety attack imo
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 17:55 (four years ago) link
crowd mostly moving from ParlSq up Whitehall now, think it's already dissipating tbh
― nashwan, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 18:08 (four years ago) link
lol oops
― nashwan, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 18:29 (four years ago) link
a post of a London boy
― L'assie (Euler), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 19:11 (four years ago) link
man i love the "death by a thousand cuts" bridge(/lyrics overall) sooo much haha. goosebumps every time.
i guess i have always liked the impressionistic side of her lyrical approach, so i don't mind that she's leaning on it so heavily on the last few albums, and perhaps even becoming more imprecise in how/where she deploys it.
― petey v, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 19:11 (four years ago) link
You guys, I want to be defined by the things I love, not the things I hate. (I’d be happy to provide a detailed list of things in each category, to facilitate your definitions of me — just lmk)
― Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Thursday, 29 August 2019 01:16 (four years ago) link
For example, please do not define me by this — but one thing I recently discovered that I hate are the vocal stylings of a certain “Brendon Urie of Panic! At The Disco.”
― Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Thursday, 29 August 2019 01:34 (four years ago) link
^^ you need to calm down
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 29 August 2019 02:14 (four years ago) link
I don't know if "It's Nice to Have a Friend" is my favorite song on this album, but it stands out as the most unique-sounding song on any of her albums. Kind of like Sade's "Turn My Back on You" looms in her discography. It's not that the Swift & Sade tunes sound exactly alike but they seem to share a haunting, almost ineffable sonic world. Or maybe I played them too close together and it's affecting my opinion. Still, "Friend" should be the last song on here, or followed by the title tune.
― Wally P. Doyle, Thursday, 29 August 2019 02:37 (four years ago) link
“daylight” pretty much has to be the closer i think
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 29 August 2019 03:30 (four years ago) link
Lyrically, it's a logical closer. Just doesn't hit me the way a few others do. However, anything but "I Forgot That You Existed"--thematic kiss-off to her last LP or not--should be the opener. It may be her weakest opener ever (as someone else mentioned above) although "Welcome to New York" would be an acceptable alternate choice re: weakest opener.
― Wally P. Doyle, Thursday, 29 August 2019 03:41 (four years ago) link
I think “I Forgot...” is a great opener!
― Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Thursday, 29 August 2019 03:43 (four years ago) link
“i forgot that you existed” is 100000x better than “welcome to new york,” a bad song i made myself like
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 29 August 2019 03:47 (four years ago) link
"Death by a Thousand Cuts" & "Afterglow" are two of my three favorite songs here ("It's Nice to Have a Friend" being the other). The second half is soooo good aside from "London Boy" & "ME!"
― Wally P. Doyle, Thursday, 29 August 2019 03:55 (four years ago) link
They were mentioned together in a previous post but which is worse: "London Boy" or "Welcome to New York"?
― Wally P. Doyle, Thursday, 29 August 2019 04:08 (four years ago) link
"london boy" is worse lyrically, "welcome to new york" worse musically and probably overall
― ufo, Thursday, 29 August 2019 04:10 (four years ago) link