Grimes/Claire Boucher thread

I’m slowly realizing I hate all this futuristic shit. I was a huge fan of her melancholy bedroom pop—huge huge fan—and also loved her foray into exuberant art pop, which seemed life affirming and artistically brave. But this all seems weird. If it’s sincere, she’s creepy now, and if it’s a troll, what’s the point?

Speaking my truth today. I‘m just an indie fan, i don’t want to be a cyborg.

i think she's having fun deliberately saying provocative nonsense that it's not immediately obvious how serious she is about (so trolling basically) after all the frustrations she's had with the media reporting her every word in the past

Maybe idk. She seems really fascinating with the singularity and these types of techno-utopian ideas. Maybe it’s all an artistic conceit but who knows.

yeah that's the thing, she's sincerely very into that stuff but it's not clear just how much. like she obviously didn't get experimental cornea replacement surgery but how much of the rest of this stuff is a bit?

I just know it’s alienating to me as a listener

but then again she doesn’t like pandering to audience expectations/desires, and that’s been consistent

Ok i just listened to the newest one—i thought “violence” was the newest one.

It’s actually awesome. Still don’t like the singularity stuff but this is a great track.

Troll moves are bullshit and annoying even when done by people omar little finds attractive

― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, November 21, 2019 4:08 PM (fifty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I apologise, that was uncalled for. I'll shut up now.

― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, November 21, 2019 4:10 PM (fifty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

It’s pretty clear that she’s someone who just says shit without thinking, I mean give her a mic or some space to rant and she’ll say a bunch of wild shit because I think that’s simply how her mind operates. I do doubt she’s actually trolling as much as just rambling and having fun with her thought process, without regard for what anyone else feels about it. So she says dumb stuff like about Tesla or public transit and she dates a psychopath. I won’t comment on her attractiveness pro or con, I’ll just note your first post and tell you that you shouldn’t have apologized if you really meant it, and if you didn’t you should probably just chill because it’s just grimes.

I mean I ain’t even mad I had a brief “what the—!” and then remembered it was the internet

Nah, I was being a shit, but thank you for your understanding.

Forget it, my man, just don’t get the wrong idea about me and Larry Mullen Jr next time I bump a U2 thread to defend Songs of Experience.

:)

Larry Mullen Jr is cute tho

I think a big part of the problem is Grimes' techno-utopian shit just feels a bit naff and laughable. It's much more Sigue Sigue Sputnik/Network 7 than Blade Runner.

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/43/5d/a4/435da4f0fe3fb2b6662f3ff6ca0febc6--paint-by-number-unicorn.jpg

the finished version of this has apparently leaked now. when was the last time an album leaked this far out?

it's... fine?

ive come to think she's being critical of tech-utopianism but her strategy is over-identification which might be an unredeemably fraught method of critique imo

maybe she's a shallow self centered person who has a platform to talk bullshit because she's good at music and dates a billionaire?

I'd generously go with flakey over self-centered

my mind just keeps going back to the "build a boat and float down the mississippi" story

there's nothing wrong with being flakey! I have some friends like that. I probably would have a lot of reservations if they had any fame or power

feel like some outlandish percentage like 75% of ilm distaste for grimes is bc she dated musk for a minute. i do understand since he's pretty distasteful and esp for ilx politics/aesthetics but seems so harsh to run her down bc of a very short romance.

They broke up?

the real crime was breaking up w/ an ilxor tbh, we look after our own

lol we definitely don't look after our own

but anyway emil.y skewered her as a popular kid cosplaying weird a long while ago

not that any of this makes her music bad of course

everything is cosplaying

granted

Popular kid

Whatever happened between JB and G is probably not fair play out of respect to him at the very least

they are still together and she likely just introduced that ugly ass pickup as a "hologram"

she also supported his anti union stance

https://www.businessinsider.com/grimes-elon-musk-cybertruck-unveil-as-cybergirl-2019-11

If you look at some of her interviews/blog entries in the past she's always been kind of dorky and had some immature opinions on pretty much everything. It was sort of cute and on-brand earlier in her career because she was younger and it felt sincere because there was a childlike wonder to her music. Now she's in her 30's and dating billionaires so it doesn't feel cute or sincere anymore, it feels willfully naive and there's a backlash to show it, she is in heavy need of some rewiring.

i thought they had broken up but ok i still think it's not v relevant to evaluating her as an artist

"she is in heavy need of some rewiring"

jeez

feel like some outlandish percentage like 75% of ilm distaste for grimes is bc she dated musk for a minute. i do understand since he's pretty distasteful and esp for ilx politics/aesthetics but seems so harsh to run her down bc of a very short romance.

― Mordy, Monday, November 25, 2019 9:59 AM (forty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i won mordy bingo when i got to “ilx politics/aesthetics,” anyone else

Well, isn't she a cyborg?

I still think she's is immensely talented and one of the best artists this decade, but I think she's wasting the spotlight and what should be her prime years as an artist in this album's cycle.

just played label new music they rly dig it so hopefully smthn soon 😛

— ༺GRIM ≡ﾟS༻ (@Grimezsz) December 16, 2017

Grimes has zero good ideas, end of story, lock thread, etc

@ ums i mean you're probably right. im trying to be charitable, as someone who has veered from admiration to disgust re: this project. her press release about optimizing her creative process and recent comments about how we are moving towards a sort of baudrillardian simulacrum existence for me was a glimmer of hope that she is subverting some of this shit, but ... you're probably right

She should make a black metal album. Fans are used to overlooking politically problematic lyrics.

we should probably just have one thread where we tell all the female artists how they should be conducting their careers.

tbf I'd find Elon Musk a little more entertaining if he was some random local dude who had goofy ideas instead of a billionaire who likes being a celebrity. kind of a social responsibility to live up to when your influence extends beyond your reach

i'd be more tolerant of her ridiculous antics and embarrassing choice of partner if her music was still as great as it was a few years ago. the new album isn't bad but it's hard to feel excited about

as was said upthread she said plenty of poorly thought out ridiculous things before but that was much more endearing when she wasn't dating a tech billionaire who represents the worst of those sort of tech futurist ideas

we should probably just have one thread where we tell all the female artists how they should be conducting their careers.

― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, November 25, 2019 3:22 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Congratulations you’ve cracked the code

how about one thousand posts where I tell everyone that Grimes is a dick

feel like some outlandish percentage like 75% of ilm distaste for grimes is bc she dated musk for a minute. i do understand since he's pretty distasteful and esp for ilx politics/aesthetics but seems so harsh to run her down bc of a very short romance.

― Mordy, Monday, November 25, 2019 11:59 AM (ten hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

in what way is this an ilm thing and not a common experience among music types in general

Listened to it today. It's not bad! Singles are great and IDORU is good too. Definitely sounds like an unfinished mix/master. Vocal recording/performance and production is the best she's done to this point. Production behind those vocals sounds fairly generic and uninspired compared to her earlier albums. If they can flesh that out, it's a solid record

I liked IDORU a lot. the album is good, but I'll most likely wait until the thing is actually out before I spend more time with it.