GUIDED BY VOICES vs STONE TEMPLE PILOTS

if "big bang baby" were 1.5 minutes long it'd be a pretty sick gbv song maybe

And also recorded on a minicassette that someone accidentally dropped in the bathtub.

Alternately, STP could've done a swell 'Postal Blowfish'.

Soundgarden voter here that will begrudgingly admit there are about 2-4 good STP songs that were murdered by MTV in the 93-95 era.

I have seen GBV at least 8 times.

If we put GBV up against P’ment, who would win?

Who else would be a worthy adversary for the Stockton kids?

Spiral Stairs doesn't really compare to Tobin Sprout

yeah it's pretty notable, he leaves right after Mag Warwhig, they still do a lot of good stuff after that but the classic era is over, he probably doesn't get enough credit

Not sure exactly HOW correlated Tobin is to the shift in sound exactly, but when he was involved with GBV there was more sonic variety and experiments. More and more songs just sounded like the Who after Mag Earwhig!.

isolation drills and earthquake glue are still good records front to back but yeah

I got off the boat after Mag Earwig. Classic stuff too good. Doug Gillard is my least favorite guitarist

Mag is their peak imo. It's just a perfect blend of everything I love about them (except for the lo-fi fifteen-second fuckaroundary, obvs).

interesting, esp considering the fuckaroundary is part of the charm. Even enhances the bigger moments in context of many of their albums.

Oh no, I love the fuckaroundary. Just saying that it's the major charming element missing from the otherwise perfect Mag Earwhig.

tower to the skies
an academy of lies

oh! I thought you were vaguely referring to the weirder little moments that ARE in Mag Earwhig! Gotcha.

The weird moments on Mag feel like a different animal to me than the earlier 4-track loops of a dude snoring his brains out and what have you.

fair

omg i have not read the thread just here to lol at the proposition! serious honest lol, thank you :) i have never enjoyed a STP song in my life.

Imagining bulldog skin played by the Alien Lanes crew, hot sh1t

If you're actually curious what that kind of thing would sound like, here is a really early version of Glad Girls:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvXzY5DE5OE

was my impression that Tobin was kind of on the way out during the making of Mag Warwhig?

afaict, bob dissolved the og gbv, made mag earwhig with cobra verde as his backing band, was dissatisfied with the record while sequencing it, and rehired the old band to record more songs

MAG EARWHIG

After recording 15 songs, Bob went back to Dayton, locked himself in the Monument Club, a customized garage in his backyard used for partying, and started sequencing and resequencing the record--36 different ways. But he couldn’t fight the urge to record more songs--first, with an actual producer, John Croslin (Spoon, Dumptruck), and then some spontaneous, basement-sounding stuff--both sessions with Jim Pollard and Tobin Sprout.

from an archived url on the matador website

Hey Brad (& everyone else), metal noms for the 2019 poll are closing tonight. Last call!

oh thanks for heads up, i wanted to nominate/vote in that!

a customized garage in his backyard used for partying

Is there a thread for things that you didn't know but probably could've guessed?

I’ve gone thru the Thank You and Human Amusements... comps over the past few days (via this thread); these are prime examples of bands whose songs I can “appreciate” but just can’t into on a personal-taste level. I’ll give the nod to STP, they were quite a singles band, and something about GBV’s sound really doesn’t mesh with me.

I'll take Thank You over most of GBV's output tbh, even though the latter are the better overall band.

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I cannot fathom making a judgment on the music of GBV on the basis of an album-length best-of. You gotta do the full 45,816-song plunge.

Re: curation of their respective retrospectives, STP is only helped by the exclusion of off-putting frivolities like 'Wet My Bed' while GBV is ill-served by every 'Chicken Blows' that gets dropped.

Sure but that would entail listening to nearly an hour of music! Who has the time?

xp

one of my things with stp is i absolutely hate core, singles included

i wanna drank from your naked fountain

i guess "creep" walked so "big empty" could run but i still don't like "creep" at all

Bob devalued the catalogue as a whole when he decided to carry on post breakup

xpost Yeah, say what you will about them otherwise but it's hard to argue that Purple wasn't a freakin' quantum leap from STP's debut.

I don't know that I've heard a second of post-breakup GBV.

even if it was, it was a quantum leap into a place i had no interest in visiting

like sub-sub-zero interest

The best of is shit, just listen to bee thousand ffs. If you don’t like it IT’S OK we don’t need to hear about it

stone temple pilots are dumb and bad

listening to the first Tobin Sprout solo album, pretty good stuff never checked his solo stuff out

Okay, now I need to check the tracklisting for the GBV greatest hits now and see just how wrong they got it.

xp yeah the first solo album is great, also the eyesinweasel double lp of demos.

human amusements has a great tracklist imo

like, freakin "exit flagger" is on it thank god

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Don’t forget, It’s like soul, man

it is missing "quality of armor" tho