Led Zeppelin: Classic Or Dud?

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and yeah the japanese gigs are arguably their apex as a live band - i think there was a soundboard from one of those gigs surfaced recently? not that i care, i like audience tapes better anyway and the ones from japan tend towards the excellent

Loooord this is crazy. Page on fire as they say.

What is that song Page is quoting for a few seconds during Heartbreaker around 4:42 on that video. Sounds like Moondance?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APNI2CC0k6A

Ahhh, thanks.

FYI, this is (finally) over: https://variety.com/2020/music/news/led-zeppelin-stairway-to-heaven-copyright-lawsuit-1203527581/

jfc FINALLY

OTM. There are worthwhile things you could take them to task for; this was dumb shit.

The performance of a new lute song composed by John Paul Jones which was due to take place on June 1 has been cancelled https://t.co/M0AtquwJW1

— Led Zeppelin News (@ledzepnews) March 29, 2020

nooooooooooooooooooo!

“This is tomorrow”

hahaha

FEE FI FO FUM...

This is just...woooow. Sorry if already posted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbiuCoXD8L8

I saw Page & Plant a couple times in the 90s, and they were so fucking good.

Pretty cool. That’s jason on drums right ?

yes it is. thanks for posting this. "in my time of dying" is unbelievable

That was included on the deluxe CD/DVD edition of Celebration Day.

"for your life" \m/

love, baby. i just can't stop talking about love

m-m-m-m-monkey on my back back back back

they choose the path where no one goes

That was included on the deluxe CD/DVD edition of Celebration Day.

― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, June 1, 2020 6:37 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Ah I had no idea. Bought the blu ray but this wasn't on it. I'm surprised they let such a rough document - I would imagine by Page's standards anyway - appear on the official release.

https://youtu.be/lGNljiG0Kwc
The famous LA 6-21-77
Bonham’s best imho.

Wow, that's incredible.

Found a LZ soundalike I hadn't heard that made me curious a couple of days ago. Checking out Mother's Finest track "Mickey's Monkey" which is a cover of Smokey & the Miracles, te arrangement pretty much sounds exactly like "Custard Pie". It was interesting after hearing the Mother's Finest track to go and check out the Smokey Robinson cut then go listen to the Zep number, even if a 12 bar blues shuffle at the root.

people talk about this band being "sloppy" in '77 like they were a prog act or something and I have never understood it

god Bonzo was a lunatic on some nights

Incredible show. Fury! That’s an amazing audience recording.

I don't think the band was ever sloppy, I think *Page* was often sloppy, not least because he was playing rhythm and lead at the same time, all while strung out. All things considered, still not that sloppy, tbh, just maybe only doing the best he could in less than ideal conditions.

for all their incredible musicianship Zeppelin was never about chops, it was always about feel, which is why that criticism always strikes me as weird

I love Page's druggy manic playing on this tour

I think a better way to put it is that their feel was so impeccable you never really focused on the chops.

yeah i think that's getting closer to what's going on

I'm saying it was the *band* that didn't really focus on the chops...I think the maniacal/OTT nature of those marathon 77 shows was sort of the point

I love Page's druggy manic playing on this tour

About an hour in, they've been going on an instrumental jam for a while - Page's playing actually made me think of a proto-Greg Ginn.

And yeah, wow, Bonham.

Also, yeah, never looked to Page for Metheny-like precision. When I got into 80s/90s Amerindie/noise-rock, part of the appeal was that it actually had a similar feel to it.

hair splitting, these guys could play their instruments quite well, “chops” isn’t this thing where it’s like Shrapnel Records or the highway smdh, “feel” is part of “chops”

I think that's right, what I'm getting at has something to do with "precision" on Page's part which I dgaf

sorry ha Sund4r yes

10 YEARS GONE
HOLDING ON
10 YEARS GONE
HOLDING ON
YEAH YEAH

Y’all dig that abstract space Jimmy moves into on the Over the Hills solo...just great

I think that's right, what I'm getting at has something to do with "precision" on Page's part which I dgaf

Weeeeelllll ... except that he's by and large pretty precise ("Heartbreaker" solo aside) on the records, and in the end the impeccable records are why the band is awesome. The live indulgences never quite made it to the studio; they knew better. And also could take breaks to do drugs and have sex while recording, whereas live they relied on 30 minute organ solos.

I like the live indulgences! I still marvel that a band who were among the biggest pop stars of their time could throw in things like a 15-minute unaccompanied guitar noise/theremin jam into a stadium gig.

Around the same time iirc the Stones were still playing essentially two hour-long sets each night, no?

An extended live version of "Dazed and Confused" might have been the first Zep I ever heard, actually, or close to it. MuchMusic's Power Hour liked playing it in 1988. Probably my first experience of improv and extended techniques.

high me listening to that bootleg: this sounds a lot like the Mars Volta in some parts. are the Mars Volta just a more fully realized Led Zeppelin?springing from punk instead of blues? it's nap time

Around the same time iirc the Stones were still playing essentially two hour-long sets each night, no?

Actually, no. They'd been doing roughly 90 minute sets since 1969 (sometimes twice nightly on that tour and in '72-3)

Here's what they were doing in '78:

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/the-rolling-stones/1978/sam-houston-coliseum-houston-tx-5bd6ef54.html

Setlist FM actually has several '69 Stones setlists posted, and looks like if they were playing a double-header, they'd do a shorter 12 song set that probably clocked in at an hour.

It's really apples and oranges, as the Stones were never an exploratory live act that jammed much other than vamping under Jagger playing the crowd.

it's also a bit different listening to the bootleg from the comfort of your own home than spending three and a half hours crammed into an arena with a bunch of fucking hippies

*leave them wanting more*

i mean how many people came out of that show utterly transported vs. how many came out thinking 'well i survived that'

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/72/8e/25/728e25a89f2e0c2540f9ce56a04224e7.jpg

If you are flying high with the guitar strapped up this low, you might not pick out that triplet all that clean.