Awesome! Def make sure you work your way back to the early albums, those are so good too. Surrounded by Thieves, Blessed Black Wings or De Vermis Mysteriss would be my next recommendations.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 23 April 2020 22:28 (four years ago) link
Thanks!
― i am a horse girl (map), Thursday, 23 April 2020 23:52 (four years ago) link
electric messiah has sort of taken over my listening lately, it's extremely effective workout music. i'm really in love with how everything sounds in the mix.
― crystal-brained yogahead (map), Monday, 8 June 2020 03:08 (four years ago) link
checking some more out in backwards order. luminiferous is cool but definitely lower-key / not as accomplished as em
― crystal-brained yogahead (map), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 17:29 (four years ago) link
Bands ruuuuuuules. Currently without a drummer, though, iirc.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 17:33 (four years ago) link
was electric messiah a big deal when it came out? it has a lower discogs rating than some of their other releases for some reason maybe because it's a bit more maximalist / polished / commercial. 'drowning dog' is like an emotional song maaann
― crystal-brained yogahead (map), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 17:38 (four years ago) link
for real though it makes me cry sometimes lol
― crystal-brained yogahead (map), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 17:43 (four years ago) link
I need to revisit EM. I remember it being...fine, but I'd liked Luminiferous better. If I had to rank their albums right now today, it'd probably go
Blessed Black WingsSnakes For The DivineThe Art Of Self DefenseLuminiferousSurrounded By ThievesDeath Is This CommunionElectric MessiahDe Vermis Mysteriis(The two Spitting Fire Live albums are really good, but splitting them up is a cheat; it should have just been a 2CD set.)
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 17:56 (four years ago) link
i think they've been kind of on a holding pattern/decline for the past couple (plus live ones). mystery worms was the last one where it seemed like they were really on their thing
― j., Tuesday, 9 June 2020 21:26 (four years ago) link
was electric messiah a big deal when it came out?
i dunno, i thought the consensus was that it was pretty dang good but maybe i was just projecting my opinion out into the world in general. i felt like it was kind of a return to the Blessed Black Wings/Art of Self Defense era, albeit not as catchy.
― making gazebo money (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 10 June 2020 06:37 (four years ago) link
lowest rated on Metal Archives, 3rd lowest rated (by 0.01) on RYM for what little that's worth
― making gazebo money (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 10 June 2020 06:40 (four years ago) link
ok cool i'll keep going in backwards order then
― crystal-brained yogahead (map), Wednesday, 10 June 2020 17:07 (four years ago) link
De Vermis Mysteriis is pretty sick, love "MAdness of an Architect".
― crystal-brained yogahead (map), Tuesday, 23 June 2020 23:34 (four years ago) link
so i finally went back to "blessed black wings". i remember seeing the buzz back in the day but it wasn't my thing. it's a really great album but it sounds like a different band, probably different vocalists? (too lazy to check rn), hazier and more true cult but great songs and melodic sensibility. i still feel like electric messiah is the culmination of something they've been working towards over the last few albums. it's almost cartoonish compared to what they used to be because the production is tricked out to the max to make the songs sound insanely balls-to-the-wall but that makes it sound more like "real metal" tbh. there's so much heart in it. glorious album tbh.
― carin' (map), Friday, 26 June 2020 16:17 (four years ago) link
Pretty sure Pike sings on BBW.
― Mule, Friday, 26 June 2020 17:15 (four years ago) link
I wanna listen to it now. Excellent album.
― Mule, Friday, 26 June 2020 17:16 (four years ago) link
I don't know if it's just me but Art/Surrounded/BBW sound like a triptych and they changed their sound a little bit after that and got more like... i don't know how to describe it, but more metallic in a different way? more riffs that sounded like they were descended from thrash? am i crazy?
― making gazebo money (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 04:27 (four years ago) link
nah, yr right, they totally did. the riffs from mid to late career really hit you in the fuckin' face, which is why I know lots of people who aren't into the whole doom/stoner aesthetic love them.
― I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 04:34 (four years ago) link
i'm listening to electric messiah and de vermis mysteriis like all the time practically. the sound that they shifted to, is that in a thrash vein? i'd love to check out more metal that sounds like this. i know reign in blood but never really spent any other slayer or classic metallica or megadeth. basically i just want to find more stuff that has a similar aura of all-consuming violence and machismo with like mythical overtones and more chromatic / jarring riffs along with more melodic stuff.
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Saturday, 22 August 2020 22:31 (four years ago) link
there are thrash elements in it, increasingly so over the years, but it's not full-on thrash. which is kind of what makes it neat, it's a very thick gumbo of sludge/stoner, and Pike's favorite elements from other genres like thrash, maybe occasional death.
trying to think of other stuff in this vein....uhh.....hmm. was gonna say Junior Bruce but they steal a wee bit too much from HoF for me to put them in the same league. have to think on it a bit!
― muntjac wagner (Neanderthal), Saturday, 22 August 2020 22:34 (four years ago) link
You would probably like Power Trip, and you might like Lair of the Minotaur.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 22 August 2020 22:35 (four years ago) link
good call on Power Trip
― muntjac wagner (Neanderthal), Saturday, 22 August 2020 22:36 (four years ago) link
ty
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Saturday, 22 August 2020 22:45 (four years ago) link
Power Trip is PERFECT
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Saturday, 22 August 2020 22:49 (four years ago) link
lair of the minotaur might be even more perfect. THANK YOU. sorry i was rude to you on that other thread unperson.
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Saturday, 22 August 2020 22:52 (four years ago) link
discogs brought up nile - loving the sound of "vile nilotic rites", might fuck with that too
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Saturday, 22 August 2020 23:14 (four years ago) link
good album, pretty much comfort food Nile. possibly seek out the songs "Kafir", "Black Seeds of Vengeance", or "Barra Edinazzu" (each from diff albums" as well.
― muntjac wagner (Neanderthal), Saturday, 22 August 2020 23:31 (four years ago) link
thumbs up. digging into mastodon too.
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Saturday, 22 August 2020 23:37 (four years ago) link
if you want heavier Mastodon, Remission and Leviathan are the more primitive punch you in the mouth albums, though I like almost all of their eras.
― muntjac wagner (Neanderthal), Saturday, 22 August 2020 23:40 (four years ago) link
remission would definitely fit that bill
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 22 August 2020 23:43 (four years ago) link
early baroness too esp the 1st 2 sludgey EPs
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 23 August 2020 14:47 (four years ago) link
Power, machismo, mythical overtones: clearly you need some Manowar.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 August 2020 15:05 (four years ago) link
i've got a playlist now with power trip's nightmare logic, lair of the minotaur's war metal battle master (great title), mastodon's remission and emperor of sand and the two aforementioned high on fire albums.
first impressions:
power trip basically wants to sound like reign in blood, which is cool. singer obviously came up through post-hardcore but everything else screams rick rubin producing slayer in 1986.
lair of the minotaur album is pretty fun, very impassioned, i dig the vocal style switch-ups, but is a little clumsy and amateur. i bet they're a lot of fun live.
the mastodon albums i'll probably spend some more time with. i think i like the sound and 80s metal / progressive rock feel of emperor of sand more than remission which sounds a little more like post-hardcore to me. they're definitely more of a progressive rock / post-hardcore band with metal elements blended in. the drummer is a little too busy for my taste. i never really jibed with this kind of prog sound so idk about these guys yet though there are some undeniably cool songs.
as far as high on fire goes, hearing these other bands kind of underscores how excellent they are imo.
a very thick gumbo of sludge/stoner
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Sunday, 23 August 2020 16:52 (four years ago) link
hahahah i mean, you should listen to 7000 Dying Rats (dude's former band) ... it's more "funny" than minotaur. I vaguely remember a friend of mine touring with them as the drummer at one point
― sarahell, Sunday, 23 August 2020 16:59 (four years ago) link
If concerts ever come back, HoF are one of the best live bands I've ever seen. Hollow your ears right out but you'll smile while it's happening
― muntjac wagner (Neanderthal), Sunday, 23 August 2020 17:02 (four years ago) link
oh man i would love love love to see them live. i was just thinking about that this morning! like for the first time i really want to see live music again and it would be hof.
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Sunday, 23 August 2020 17:06 (four years ago) link
I've only seen them live once -- place was packed, hometown show fwiw -- totally worth it.
― sarahell, Sunday, 23 August 2020 17:09 (four years ago) link
HoF is up there with MBV and Sunn O))) as a band you can feel.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 August 2020 17:41 (four years ago) link
I wasn't even a huge fan when I saw them the first time! I had many of their albums (most, actually), but more a casual fan. I had a ticket to see their Orlando show and was free the Friday before and decided to see them in Tampa. was a bit surprised by how much more I was into it than expected, and Pike's guitar leads were so fluid and clear and I felt like I could almost *see* them.
so I go again on Sunday, exhausted, tired, and cranky, and figure it's not going to be as good. the sound was overwhelmingly loud yet paradoxically clear, and Pike was pretty much holding his guitar like a literal weapon, couldn't believe the sounds he was getting out of that thing that night. probably a crowd of like 100, and everybody was going nuts, me included. didn't get to sleep until like 2 or 3 am cos I was so wound up about how great the show was, it far exceeded the first one, and for a while was my favorite show ever. when he got to the "Snakes for the Divine" encore it was like a gigantic victory lap.
became much more a fan, went back and bought the albums of theirs I didn't have.
only one time I saw them where they didn't destroy, and that was at Psycho Las Vegas last year. they were in a 10,000 seat convention center that swallowed them, and the sound was awful. Pike was visibly upset by it.
― muntjac wagner (Neanderthal), Sunday, 23 August 2020 17:47 (four years ago) link
much better last year in Tampa, and the new material really slays live
― muntjac wagner (Neanderthal), Sunday, 23 August 2020 17:48 (four years ago) link
yeah, I wasn't a major fan when I saw them either -- was pretty much going to hang with a friend who got in free to all the shows at the club where they were playing because she used to be neighbors with the club owners and had helped them with the remodel (mainly painting, nothing super fancy). Anyway, it was one of the few shows I have been to where I came into it with no expectations and was like, "damn, this is really fucking great." ...
― sarahell, Sunday, 23 August 2020 19:06 (four years ago) link
One of the few post-70s bands where they're very much a metal band but don't really fit a metal subgenre.
― Julius Caesar Memento Hoodie (bendy), Monday, 24 August 2020 22:10 (four years ago) link
Definitely one of the few bands that gets the "heavy" part of metal right. Their songs have weight, like you wouldn't want to drop one one your foot.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 August 2020 22:25 (four years ago) link
bendy and JiC otm. the guitars also sound and feel like buzzsaws. calling a guitar an 'axe' in this context makes perfect sense.
gotta credit Pike with battling a lot of issues to keep going, his alcoholism, then his diabetes health complications. had tickets to 4 diff shows of theirs that were cancelled for one reason or another for either reason. the last time (his toe amputation) I could almost hear his tears in the press release...he wanted to be on the road playing and it hurt to cancel those shows.
they weren't even the headliners of that show (Municipal Waste were) but I asked for a refund as I told the promoters "this lineup just got 75% lamer without them".
also had tickets tos ee them twice that I never used :(. once I accidentally forgot I had a conflict with the date and had to sell, the other they were playing in ATL and I was road weary and fighting a summer-long hangover due to my ambitious concert traveling and just couldn't bear to trek 8 hours to see another show. I regret that one a lot, esp cos of it being at a dope venue.
pretty incredible to be a member of Sleep and HoF simultaneously. I saw both last year!
― muntjac wagner (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 25 August 2020 03:59 (four years ago) link
i played electric messiah to death and then played vermiis to death and now i guess i'm ready to play luminiferous to death as it's really sounding great right now. "the falconist" and "the lethal chamber" are sooooo lit.
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Saturday, 31 October 2020 23:28 (three years ago) link
Carcosa is my fav from that one
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Saturday, 31 October 2020 23:59 (three years ago) link
also sick as hell. no track on this one that doesn't hit imo.
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Sunday, 1 November 2020 00:10 (three years ago) link
the only song i've encounteredthat i haven't been totally sure about is "warhorn" but 1) i can dig that it's different 2) i think it's mostly successful and 3) it's grown on me
other favs are "the pallid mask" and "drowning dog" (such a gut-wrencher) from em and "fertile green" and "madness of an architect" from de vermiis
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Sunday, 1 November 2020 00:17 (three years ago) link
"king of days" too
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Sunday, 1 November 2020 00:18 (three years ago) link
i've listened to these so much that there isn't a track that hasn't been a favorite tbh
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Sunday, 1 November 2020 00:24 (three years ago) link