LOVE the singing stones
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 20 August 2020 19:41 (four years ago) link
found a short doc on Sciola pretty quickly, queuing it up nowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkq33RNZpL4
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 20 August 2020 19:43 (four years ago) link
Cool, thx, I came across his shortie whille looking for the film that Sonny Sharrock said Sun Ra showed him, about teaching statues to sing and/or speak. No luck w that yet. also, do you know these threads? Harry Bertoia
BERTOIA c/dGood pix and discussion of some of the albums and other artifacts. What I really like is seeing his creations perform while I'm listening, usually some examples on youtube. He also designed and maybe constructed other things, like furniture and jewelry, prob. non-singing, but wouldn't put it past him.
― dow, Thursday, 20 August 2020 23:44 (four years ago) link
whoa sewerslvt! I sent that to tim and brad earlier this year lol not sure they liked it but apparently i thought it was interesting enough to send ... going to revisit it
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 20 August 2020 23:58 (four years ago) link
It’s great
― calstars, Friday, 21 August 2020 01:00 (four years ago) link
Good to know I'm not the only one still skeptical of the Dead.
Respect their fans' contributions to bootleg culture quite a lot, though I truly just don't "get" the music itself. And I really love wanky improv stuff— I have a lot of No-Neck Blues Band records, ffs. I think I just fall more on the electronics, noise and free jazz side of improv, tbh.
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Friday, 21 August 2020 14:56 (four years ago) link
admittedly I am only a recent convert to being a stoner but (at least so far) stoned or sober I would rather listen to actual drone music or actual rock music than some mutant amalgam of the two
― unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Friday, 21 August 2020 14:58 (four years ago) link
Same!
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Friday, 21 August 2020 15:15 (four years ago) link
Velvet Underground---?
― dow, Friday, 21 August 2020 15:21 (four years ago) link
lord I've tried
I don't think for me it has anything to do w/ the specific genre of improv....I took am into NNCK, Jackie O Motherfucker et al...even willfully slipshod "bad" playing e.g. Maher Shalal Hash Baz
my brain just cannot square the way these guys play together. With most improv, jazz or not—even super minimalist stuff like AMM—I'm conscious of an invisible baseline of togetherness somewhere. Like a subtext of tightness, something the band is deviating from. I never have any sense of that with the Dead.
I have wondered over the years if I would feel the same way if they never made an attempt at rock music...like they seem so incapable of swinging when they try to, and I am subconsciously biased/aware of that when they listening to the exploratory stuff.
― syphilitic wolf prose errata (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 21 August 2020 15:37 (four years ago) link
when they listening
― syphilitic wolf prose errata (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 21 August 2020 15:38 (four years ago) link
i wonder how much of it is expectations? ... like, as you say, it's not about "improv" -- it sounds like you have certain expectations (or at least aesthetic preferences) of rock music and acceptable adjacent sounds ... whereas the other stuff is subject to different expectations/aesthetics
sorry for butting in
― sarahell, Friday, 21 August 2020 18:26 (four years ago) link
Lol we have a thread for this... it’s probably still on sna ffs
― brimstead, Friday, 21 August 2020 18:45 (four years ago) link
I mean I would like to think at this point in life it’s not about expectations...I generally try to re-approach art that my friends and peers like that doesn’t click for me generously and from a bunch of different angles. I’ve had the experience of a band not matching my expectations and then recalibrating and returning and being totally win over. I mean I also grew up with the Dead in the air, I had the early records in HS and went to a state school in NE where they are/were ubiquitous, took the requisite acid trip at a stadium show etc. And I like their whole ethos—am attracted to the idea of that subculture.I just can’t find a way in.
― syphilitic wolf prose errata (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 21 August 2020 18:56 (four years ago) link
xp I had been reading but steering clear of posting in the Dead thread respectfully, it seems like it’s rolling along w/ real heads and I like that
― syphilitic wolf prose errata (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 21 August 2020 18:59 (four years ago) link
though maybr this is better for "Bands you keep trying to like but can't get into"
― syphilitic wolf prose errata (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 21 August 2020 19:01 (four years ago) link
idk i just approach things from the "it's okay if i don't like music i'm supposed to like" perspective and move on ... maybe it's worth analyzing why i don't, maybe that's what's going on with y'all? I generally only do this when it's the music of someone i know personally, and what I think of their music might actually affect them? ... there are definitely a whole cadre of ppl that are into 21st century alt-jam bands that have been recently mentioned here, that won't go near the Dead -- personally, I don't see that big of a difference between them ... but I'm of the "not really a fan of either type" though I find it pleasant enough
― sarahell, Friday, 21 August 2020 19:10 (four years ago) link
I mean the Dead are one of those bands I'm totally "it's okay I don't like this." But I guess generally speaking it has something to do w/ appetite...I'm sometimes reluctant to give up entirely on something other ppl whose opinions I respect are into, in the hopes of expanding/developing my own sensibilities
― syphilitic wolf prose errata (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 21 August 2020 19:19 (four years ago) link
Am I the only person who hasn't been converted to the Dead?
No. Every time I've tried listening to the Dead, I get maybe a minute or two into it until I realize: why am I listening to this when I can listen to Bardo Pond instead?
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 21 August 2020 19:34 (four years ago) link
it’s ok if you don’t like the dead... is it ok if I like the dead?
― brimstead, Friday, 21 August 2020 19:42 (four years ago) link
I never in a million zillion years thought I’d EVER listen to Tom Waits by choice but here I am getting really into heart of Saturday night. Wtf.
― brimstead, Friday, 21 August 2020 19:43 (four years ago) link
i have always liked Tom Waits
― sarahell, Friday, 21 August 2020 19:43 (four years ago) link
listened to Rain Dogs in full for the first time in decades a week or two back, good times
― sleeve, Friday, 21 August 2020 19:48 (four years ago) link
sleeve -- who was that british guitar dude that did that home concert a month or so ago? fish something or other?
― sarahell, Friday, 21 August 2020 19:50 (four years ago) link
Is this Grateful Dead? Why does everyone call them The Dead?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 21 August 2020 19:52 (four years ago) link
great question Robert Adam Gilmour, can i call you Bob?
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Friday, 21 August 2020 19:57 (four years ago) link
I have no problem with people who are into the Dead. Just don't try to convince me, it's been done too many times.
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Friday, 21 August 2020 19:59 (four years ago) link
xp lol
― sarahell, Friday, 21 August 2020 19:59 (four years ago) link
xps Pat Fish a.k.a. The Jazz Butcher!!
― sleeve, Friday, 21 August 2020 20:01 (four years ago) link
yes!! I remember something related to Jazz -- that was quite nice!
meanwhile I kinda just want to listen to TFUL282 I Hope It Lands on repeat -- why? idk
― sarahell, Friday, 21 August 2020 20:03 (four years ago) link
that is the best TFUL282 album
went through that Stan Brakhage series 10 years ago, it comes to mind at the oddest moments, every episode is good
been ransacking everything at this website: http://theatticmag.com/features/2337/'this-is-not-intentionally-music'.-a-cedrik-fermont-interview.html
found website through googling Svitlana Nianio
― Milton Parker, Friday, 21 August 2020 20:11 (four years ago) link
& sarahell, you see this?
https://pleasekillme.com/pink-section-inflatable-boy-clams/
― Milton Parker, Friday, 21 August 2020 20:12 (four years ago) link
I keep thinking it must be a different band and it seems like an affectionate name only big fans would use.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 21 August 2020 20:13 (four years ago) link
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, August 21, 2020 12:52 PM (nineteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
sorry, i mistyped, meant The Gay Dad
― brimstead, Friday, 21 August 2020 20:14 (four years ago) link
milty -- i got the reissues of those back when my band was a duo -- so 2014? 2015? ... Inflatable Boy Clams was a fave of my bandmate, whose ex-gf is, I think, dating that one guy from the 19th century bullshit band
― sarahell, Friday, 21 August 2020 20:17 (four years ago) link
Whenever I try giving the Dead another chance I end up listening to the Paul Butterfield Blues Band’s ‘East-West’ for the 23806th time.
― pomenitul, Friday, 21 August 2020 20:22 (four years ago) link
oh, that reissue came out before "flyergate" -- I think I stopped buying Superior V1aduct releases after flyergate ... geez, it seems surreal to think about the innocent times of flyergate compared to the election, G.S., ... now ...
― sarahell, Friday, 21 August 2020 20:26 (four years ago) link
xxxp lol
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Friday, 21 August 2020 20:28 (four years ago) link
Dadheads
― sarahell, Friday, 21 August 2020 20:28 (four years ago) link
anyway -- the way she sings "horrible mistake" on that song ... sigh, the best.
― sarahell, Friday, 21 August 2020 20:31 (four years ago) link
Oh mom, get back to me, bring me some snacksWhat I want to do in Marin is to relaxOh yeah I dig Marin, the views... are goodAnd everything is bettering me, I mean I feel, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah
― Milton Parker, Friday, 21 August 2020 20:50 (four years ago) link
God, I love Inflatable Boy Clams.
― emil.y, Friday, 21 August 2020 21:24 (four years ago) link
Same here. I remember playing them for a date once and he was so obsessed with I'm Sorry that we listened to it a few times while getting ridiculously baked. We set the fire alarm off lol
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Friday, 21 August 2020 23:12 (four years ago) link
Sarahell will know this person, too, which helps make the story funnier for the two of us.
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Friday, 21 August 2020 23:13 (four years ago) link
omg who?!!!!!
table is the table was at the first gig my band played!
― sarahell, Friday, 21 August 2020 23:26 (four years ago) link
the way she sings "horrible mistake" on that song ... sigh, the best.
<3 <3 <3 <3 <3
― sleeve, Friday, 21 August 2020 23:49 (four years ago) link
best fucking band
― sleeve, Friday, 21 August 2020 23:50 (four years ago) link
at the 2004 reunion show in PDX this dude got up on stage, went around, and hugged each member individually. random fan otm.
(I got tons of love for IBC as well, but y'know there's only like 5 songs or w/e)
― sleeve, Friday, 21 August 2020 23:51 (four years ago) link
Sarahell, he's in the Y0ung3r Lover5
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Saturday, 22 August 2020 00:41 (four years ago) link