fwiw katherine if I were a reviewer I'd have written something almost identical to yours. You nailed it.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 02:34 (three years ago) link
I agree. I can't swallow this lumpy album.
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 02:35 (three years ago) link
please tell this to the people telling me to die
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 06:05 (three years ago) link
the pre-click blurb they posted takes away from a great album write-up, regardless of having heard the album or liking/disliking it.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 06:18 (three years ago) link
The Kylie vs Little Mix stuff on Twitter has been really grim on both sides and everyone involved should be embarrassed. Katherine I'm sorry this is happening to you, again, and I know it's easier said than done but you must remember that these people are entirely without merit and their performative hate is fandom theatre
― boxedjoy, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 06:37 (three years ago) link
sorry this is happening to you katherine :-(
― Tim F, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 06:59 (three years ago) link
people are fundamentally sadistic, it happens
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 07:27 (three years ago) link
"Kylie hasn’t been disco for twenty years" is certainly a hot take.
Sorry this is happening to you but think boxedjoy nailed it above with "performative hate"
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 09:34 (three years ago) link
jfc Katherine in case you weren't aware, they're going in on your review on the Keep It podcast today. Fucking disappointed in them all rn.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 16:16 (three years ago) link
count me in on the "this is not a good album" crewWare > Dua > Roisin seems about right to me but, based on "Feed the Fire" and "Impact," I think SG Lewis is gonna break into the upper disco circle by the end of the year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m-J8KG8tBA
Would also argue that Selena Gomez and Azana and Ariana Grande and Simmy slot neatly and perfectly into this sound too but i'm sure i'd be outshouted
― Four Seasons Total Manscaping (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 16:19 (three years ago) link
but yeah, stans gonna stan
― Four Seasons Total Manscaping (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 16:20 (three years ago) link
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, November 18, 2020 6:05 AM (ten hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
i didn't realize, sorry you have to deal with this :(
― Amy #Kony Barrett (map), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 16:25 (three years ago) link
Why isn't anyone mentioning Victoria Monét's Experience -- are her disco tracks too "trad" for this context?
― it's AG in your faaaace.... (morrisp), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 16:29 (three years ago) link
i loved the singles from this. i think brad has a good point about the quality of the melodies. i also think the lyrics on those two singles are perfect magic-eye palimpsests that are either the most profound thing ever or generic claptrap depending on how you look at them. classic pop lyrics. not sure how i will feel about the album - i'm kind of deflated about buying anything right now after losing all my music - but i'm going to tune out all the stan bullshit if i can when i get around to listening to it, next month i guess. *sigh*
― Amy #Kony Barrett (map), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 16:30 (three years ago) link
xp I loved Moment/Dive/Jaguar/Experience/Touch Me but that EP is like 17 minutes of great music, ten minutes of filler ("we take it fast like it's fortnite"?) and imo not really on the same level as Ware or Lipa
― Four Seasons Total Manscaping (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 16:35 (three years ago) link
A few groaner lyrics aside, I think the whole EP is really tight -- and if you're looking for new disco in 2020...
― it's AG in your faaaace.... (morrisp), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 17:49 (three years ago) link
on Kylie's Spotify page there's a disco playlist of stuff she (or at least, her team) has curated that features Roisin, Lipa, Ware and Monet alongside some classics and it makes me want to invite her to an afterparty
― boxedjoy, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 20:57 (three years ago) link
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, November 18, 2020 11:16 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
I don't know what that is but am not surprised; as I mentioned, people are fundamentally sadistic, and would stop at nothing to hurt others
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 21:05 (three years ago) link
I wish I knew what I did wrong besides existing
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 21:07 (three years ago) link
I already sent them an email apologizing but if it even gets read (the only contact was a general email address) the only outcome I expect is to be mocked even more
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 21:12 (three years ago) link
because that's what people do, because they are fundamentally sadistic
Why would you apologize to them? For what? For having an opinion, or for having the temerity to express it? Fuck those people and anyone who loves them.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 21:31 (three years ago) link
because clearly I have done something grievously wrong? people generally don't get called out on major podcasts otherwise
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 21:31 (three years ago) link
There's no such thing as a "major podcast". Again I say, fuck those people and anyone who loves them.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 21:34 (three years ago) link
it's hard to find details on listenership but this one seems to have a lot of it, so tens or hundreds of thousands of people now hate me, and I don't know who, and could encounter them at any time assuming they don't seek me out instead. plus, it also seems to be a political podcast, which suggests that I did something wrong that was also offensive
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 21:38 (three years ago) link
Well, I know how much I care about the opinions of strangers. YMMV, clearly.
I liked your review. (I couldn't make it through the album, and I wanted to, mostly due to vestigial love of Fever.)
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 21:42 (three years ago) link
the worst response to a callout is to dig in one's heels and assume one is right
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 21:44 (three years ago) link
If you surrender your aesthetic principles at the first complaint from some fucking nobody, you have none.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 21:52 (three years ago) link
clearly thousands of people don't agree with that statement
also, I don't believe anyone deserves to be dismissed as "some fucking nobody," but even if I did, the hosts of a major podcast with huge listenership certainly wouldn't fit that description
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 21:59 (three years ago) link
it's all a game, now you're kind of notorious, try the hat on, have fun! mass media does not equate to a real relationship with a person
― horse girl (map), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 22:00 (three years ago) link
that's my two cents but good luck
I don't fucking want to be notorious, that is the literal opposite of what I want
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 22:04 (three years ago) link
You appear to be reacting to someone on a message board telling you that unnamed people disagreed with your review, on a podcast that you have not listened to; that is not anyone "calling [anyone] out", let alone anything that means you shoudl reconsider your opinion about a pop record, and a long way from anything to apologise about. To whom? For what?
― @oneposter (💹) (sic), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 22:04 (three years ago) link
Exactly. You're a writer; you share your thoughts with strangers. When one of them objects, your first response should be, "Well, who the fuck are you? And who asked you?"
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 22:06 (three years ago) link
that is not anyone "calling (anyone) out", let alone anything that means you shoudl reconsider your opinion about a pop record, and a long way from anything to apologise about. To whom? For what?
― @oneposter (💹) (sic), Wednesday, November 18, 2020 5:04 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
the podcast interviews figures like Ronan Farrow and Kimberlé Crenshaw, which suggests that it might be that, but I'm afraid to listen
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 22:10 (three years ago) link
Pod Save Music Criticism
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 22:15 (three years ago) link
I just skimmed thru it; the Pitchfork/Kylie discussion begins at 1:28.30. The discussion is really dumb, but katherine - I suggest you don't listen.
― down like 6:30 (morrisp), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 22:15 (three years ago) link
and now it's there forever
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 22:16 (three years ago) link
the episode description:
Ira, Louis, and Aida discuss the conservative fervor over Harry Styles wearing a dress on the cover of Vogue, the COVID season of The Bachelorette, Billie Eilish and Lil Nas X’s new videos, Twitter’s new “Fleets” feature, the Grammys, Pitchfork’s Kylie Minogue review, Obama’s A Promised Land playlist, and more. Plus, Rachel Bloom joins to discuss depicting mental health on television and her new memoir I Want to Be Where the Normal People Are.
Sounds like people riffing on pop culture that they have had exactly zero time to give any thought to, and are reacting in the moment to fill minutes.
― @oneposter (💹) (sic), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 22:17 (three years ago) link
That pretty much sums it up. Now they're going in on Obama for putting Beyoncé's "Halo" on his playlist ("real Beyoncé fans don't fuck with it... she doesn't even perform it anymore!")
― down like 6:30 (morrisp), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 22:18 (three years ago) link
this is inane shit
― down like 6:30 (morrisp), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 22:19 (three years ago) link
nobody is going to be listening to it later than this week, and the hosts have probably forgotten whatever they said already.
― @oneposter (💹) (sic), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 22:21 (three years ago) link
tbh i enjoyed Ira's MTV News podcast with Doreen St. Felix but Louis Virtel is dumb as nails so i'm not shocked by any of this (still disappointed obv)
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 22:23 (three years ago) link
the hosts may have forgotten it but I'll remember it for the rest of my life, and the people who listened may not remember the specifics but will remember that they dislike me
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 22:25 (three years ago) link
i enjoy podcasts as much as the next person but i hope that if the podcast bubble bursts, that Crooked Media goes down with it - few things would make me happier tbh
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 22:29 (three years ago) link
the people who listened may not remember the specifics but will remember that they dislike me
If you say so. But that brings us back to who gives a shit? If they can be made to dislike you (which I doubt) so easily, they can be made to like you just as easily. Without ever remembering that they once disliked you. These are people with the brains of parakeets.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 22:30 (three years ago) link
Without listening, there's a 70% chance that none of the three hosts even mention your name, and just say "Pitchfork's review." If they do say your name, the number of people who remember it by the next sentence will be minimal. Of that contingent, the number who care about Kylie Minogue will be a much smaller subset. Of them, the number who give a shit at all whether someone gives an alright-not-great Kylie album an "alright, not great" review might be greater than 50%. Within that remaining chunk, the number who not only receive, but also hold onto, their opinions from some pop culture podcast hosts who have in all likelihood not listened to the album and read the review in full will be the square root of bugger all.
― @oneposter (💹) (sic), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 22:42 (three years ago) link
emphasis on "square" and "root" (rude)
― horse girl (map), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 22:46 (three years ago) link
Genuinely sorry you are going through this katherine, stan culture has a lot to fucking answer for. Those guys crank out a metric ton of podcast content and it will be buried in the noise in no time at all. I'm sure that's small comfort for you now, but 99% of the people who heard it have already moved on. I really wish you wouldn't second guess your opinion though, you have done nothing wrong and have nothing to apologize for.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 22:49 (three years ago) link
yes, it's a well-written (and well-reasoned) review!
― down like 6:30 (morrisp), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 22:55 (three years ago) link