have listened to the podcast (1st time ever), they mention nothing but the rating itself... I assume @katherine you are a serious pop music critic, while this podcast is some pulp, immediate blah blah blah content to listen to when jogging or cleaning, so honestly - even if one can find it amusing - this is like apples & oranges. hence do ignore this shit and keep up the good work!
and getting back to the review itself - i agree with sooo many points and arguments of katherine's review, but this won't change the fact that I'm spinning this record to death and yes, on paper it could be (and potentially is) 'worse' than roisin, jessie or dua, but its only kylie who can pull off a song with such a corny intro as supernova, making me tremble with embarrassment at the beginning, and then hijack with her delivery or chorus that im singing while writing now and leaving me breathless in the end. just like any great party that I came late to, i.e. everybody is drunk already, im thinking: what is wrong with these awful people?! and in 30 mins im sweating with the rest on the dance floor. (plus some of these songs like 'real groove' are objectively a-mah-zing!)
― krewki, Thursday, 19 November 2020 14:57 (three years ago) link
this struck me during the Folklore fiasco but pop stans getting mad at pitchfork reviews will never not be mindboggling to me. and they get mad when pitchfork doesn't review their faves' records too! there's no pleasing them.
like, your faves will do just fine without p4k's validation, guys.
― Roz, Friday, 20 November 2020 06:29 (three years ago) link
I’m surprised to learn that Kylie even has these sort of stans. I wasn’t aware she had that sort of rep.
― down like 6:30 (morrisp), Friday, 20 November 2020 06:51 (three years ago) link
Same.
― @oneposter (💹) (sic), Friday, 20 November 2020 07:17 (three years ago) link
fever is one of the greatest pop albums of all time, of course she is going to have the same cult of stans as every other pop star, even if 'cult' needs to be emphasised a little more for her than some
― ufo, Friday, 20 November 2020 07:20 (three years ago) link
Fever came out 19 years ago, and the new audience it brought in was, speaking broadly, gay American males (compared to her previous moderately-gay-male-leaning UK and .au general public). It seems counterintuitive that a feverish hate-mail writing stan culture is made up of 40-something blokes.
― @oneposter (💹) (sic), Friday, 20 November 2020 07:49 (three years ago) link
there are plenty of younger, mostly gay male, fans who make up those stans because she's really that much of an icon. it was only 2010 that she really last had hits in the uk and australia. madonna still has stans! it doesn't seem that weird as far as stan culture goes to me.
― ufo, Friday, 20 November 2020 08:12 (three years ago) link
I also thought most of her stans would be gay which is why I was surprised to see one of the ones tweeting at katherine has also tweeted homophobic slurs and has a link to a "reparative therapy" site on their profile (possibly another Briscoe Cain type I guess)
― groovypanda, Friday, 20 November 2020 11:01 (three years ago) link
One of my teenage students asked me if I had heard her latest album. I guess she's still picking up fans
― Vinnie, Friday, 20 November 2020 14:05 (three years ago) link
I actually had the "don't worry, I don't think she has stans, you'll be fine" / "yes, she does" argument before it went up (not with an editor)
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 20 November 2020 16:36 (three years ago) link
It seems counterintuitive that a feverish hate-mail writing stan culture is made up of 40-something blokes.
can i introduce you to "men"
― maura, Friday, 20 November 2020 18:30 (three years ago) link
like... have you never been on reddit
― maura, Friday, 20 November 2020 18:31 (three years ago) link
actually it's about ethics in disco revisionism journalism
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 20 November 2020 18:45 (three years ago) link
I'm coming around to this album a little bit. It does sound pretty same-y along with the other recent releases listed above (Horse Meat Disco, Dua Lipa, etc). A lot of different acts that used to sound different seem to have converged to this style.
― skip, Friday, 20 November 2020 19:31 (three years ago) link
my experience of going on reddit is: aspie-adjacent podcast listeners politely apologising to each other if anyone misunderstands someone else & downvoting sexism; and Am I The Asshole? readers telling people that they absolutely are the asshole, and they don't deserve their girlfriends, mothers' love, or to have a cat.
point absolutely taken on my wording. but in my head, the sort of stans who brigade with hate mail were primarily teens-to-22ish with the combo of too much energy, and insecurity. 44-year-old gay men who loved Kylie when they were 12 or 25 have had plenty of experience of her putting out 6/10 albums with a few generous 8/10 tracks in the five calendar decades that she's had UK #1s!
― huge rant (sic), Friday, 20 November 2020 19:36 (three years ago) link
gonna have to repeat Maura's "like... have you never been on reddit" here
― DJP, Friday, 20 November 2020 19:48 (three years ago) link
You guys talk like going on Reddit is something that healthy-minded people do. Been on Parler lately?
― down like 6:30 (morrisp), Friday, 20 November 2020 20:00 (three years ago) link
a good number of people on this site go on RYM, which is basically /mu/
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 20 November 2020 20:11 (three years ago) link
All ILXors should sign an exclusive contract that forbids you from visiting other websites.
― pomenitul, Friday, 20 November 2020 20:14 (three years ago) link
There's other websites?
― Dan Worsley, Friday, 20 November 2020 20:21 (three years ago) link
So they say, and they’re *bad*.
― pomenitul, Friday, 20 November 2020 20:24 (three years ago) link
i thought this was google
― Four Seasons Total Manscaping (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 November 2020 21:04 (three years ago) link
my answer will remain the same as in the post you're replaying to!
― huge rant (sic), Friday, 20 November 2020 22:21 (three years ago) link
okay I looked at the Kylie reddit and the top threads are:
- Hi fellow kylie lovelies - I am loving Disco Tv on YouTube and thought you all might like it too - it’s a wonderful mix of all of Miss Minogue’s fabulous videos (including lyric videos for the Disco album) has really cheered me up and hope it makes someone else smile 🥰
- When she was on the Voice (photo)
- Kylie Minogue Breaks Down 17 Looks From 1988 to Now | Life in Looks | Vogue (youtube link, 1 reply)
- Disco debuts at 25 on the Billboard 200, her highest-charting U.S. album since Aphrodite (5 replies wishing she would tour)
- Kylie Minogue - Blame It On The Boogie [Mike Walsh Show 1987] (youtube link, no replies)
- Spotted in Sydney this morning (photo of a flyposter, 5 replies asking where the cassette is sold) not an argument against there being absolutely horrible subreddits elsewhere but this is even less enthusiasm than I'd have expected, let alone any negativity
― huge rant (sic), Friday, 20 November 2020 22:35 (three years ago) link
*tips fedora at maura*
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 20 November 2020 23:35 (three years ago) link
In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god’s blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence.
― pomenitul, Friday, 20 November 2020 23:40 (three years ago) link
Do Gaga fans go HAM over mixed reviews? I think of the Little Monsters as peaceful.
― down like 6:30 (morrisp), Saturday, 21 November 2020 00:58 (three years ago) link
this critically-acclaimed nu disco thing reminds me of griselda
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Saturday, 21 November 2020 03:54 (three years ago) link
endless RIYL slots enabled by genre specific playlisting
members of all 'stanbases' are fully capable of stooping to horrific lows, and indeed do so somewhat regularly. while yes the contingent overall skews gay, male and young, plenty of these folks are supposedly grown up too! pretty horrifying
― dyl, Saturday, 21 November 2020 04:06 (three years ago) link
I don't see why people are surprised grownups can do this, has anyone ever met a republican, or one of the adults who sneers at people online for morally neutral things they find embarrassing
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Sunday, 22 November 2020 00:36 (three years ago) link
basically, have you ever met a human being
I can honestly say I’ve never known anyone IRL whom I thought had the capacity to launch personal attacks at a writer over a music review.
― down like 6:30 (morrisp), Sunday, 22 November 2020 00:45 (three years ago) link
pretty sure critics are real and daft and mean
also i dunno what's the problem are you worreid the world will misevaluate a Kylie record>?
― Bandscamp Fryday (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 22 November 2020 00:48 (three years ago) link
also lol keeping a score keeping a score
― down like 6:30 (morrisp), Saturday, November 21, 2020 7:45 PM (fifty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
no offense but you're on this board, so you do
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Sunday, 22 November 2020 01:46 (three years ago) link
maybe that doesn't qualify as IRL but there are many people here who have personally attacked me over my opinions about bands or my "insane" way of listening to music
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Sunday, 22 November 2020 01:47 (three years ago) link
I might say Noodle Vague is insane for laboriously relistening to alternate mixes so many times that it's slightly dragging out the results of the MC Tunes poll, but it's just out of admiration for his process
― huge rant (sic), Sunday, 22 November 2020 09:15 (three years ago) link
this was specifically saying that my preferring to not listen to music that makes me feel bad is an "insane" way of listening
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Sunday, 22 November 2020 19:54 (three years ago) link
what kind of music makes you feel bad?
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 22 November 2020 21:02 (three years ago) link
generally it involves lyric
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Sunday, 22 November 2020 21:03 (three years ago) link
as in the lyrics make you feel bad because they're offensive?
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 22 November 2020 21:07 (three years ago) link
I think this album is good and I'm sorry people are terrible, it's just a review. :(
PS Supernova is def the best track here.
― KevRus, Sunday, 22 November 2020 23:15 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFYLeTJEvWYKylie ft. Dua Lipa, Róisín Murphy & Jessie Ware - Real Groove (Studio 2054 Remix)
― obsessed with quality over quantity or the need to produce tracks (breastcrawl), Friday, 1 January 2021 15:40 (three years ago) link
well, not quite, but still...
Lol. I like this but it needs a better chorus
― or something, Friday, 1 January 2021 16:57 (three years ago) link
she's re-releasing Disco with new tracks, most notably "Kiss of Life" with Jessie Ware
― Murgatroid, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 15:08 (three years ago) link
ehhhhhhh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ6Ig8Pz_Z4
― Murgatroid, Friday, 29 October 2021 04:09 (two years ago) link
“A second to midnight” w/years and years is pretty nice
― Michael F Gill, Friday, 29 October 2021 12:25 (two years ago) link
"magic" is good
― Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Wednesday, 5 January 2022 23:48 (two years ago) link