(sorry, that was meant to be a playful troll)
― loose Orwellian mobs (rob), Friday, 11 December 2020 21:25 (three years ago) link
I don't listen to her so please expand. What does her approach have to do with musicals?
― Evan, Friday, 11 December 2020 21:25 (three years ago) link
Tbf, rob, everybody knows the two worst are country and rap, assuming you like every kind of music.
― pomenitul, Friday, 11 December 2020 21:27 (three years ago) link
I mean, it is true that Taylor stans love a good narrative
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Friday, 11 December 2020 21:29 (three years ago) link
I do like every kind of music: reggae AND dancehall
― loose Orwellian mobs (rob), Friday, 11 December 2020 21:31 (three years ago) link
Idk, something about overly sentimental songs being performed in overly broad way, possibly in a way that suggests that she doesn't fully believe in the sentiment and the audience knows that, but she's gonna sell it anyway and they're gonna buy it?
Or maybe it's just I know a few people who are really into both, and I don't like either.
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 11 December 2020 21:32 (three years ago) link
i've always gotten a kind of "disney" vibe from taylor, but i have no idea why or how to articulate that feeling.
nb, i have not heard the two recent albums and i enjoy several songs from disney movies
― la table sur la table (voodoo chili), Friday, 11 December 2020 21:40 (three years ago) link
lol yes, the biggest Taylor stan I know is obsessed with Disney (and goes there for most adult vacations)
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 11 December 2020 21:42 (three years ago) link
Disney songs tend to have better melodies. Not only is Taytay's music generic, it's also utterly hookless. And she can't sing for shit.
― pomenitul, Friday, 11 December 2020 21:49 (three years ago) link
idk i think it's a little extravagant to argue she's not good at writing/singing pop songs. i just really don't like / relate to her persona - very Not For Me and that's ok.
― cosmic vision | bleak epiphany | erotic email (map), Friday, 11 December 2020 21:53 (three years ago) link
there are plenty of people better-suited to defending taylor than i, but "hookless" isn't an adjective i'd use to describe her songwriting.
― la table sur la table (voodoo chili), Friday, 11 December 2020 21:54 (three years ago) link
I honestly find her songs indistinctive and unmemorable on top of being, like, really fucking annoying. It's the sole silver lining as far as I'm concerned.
― pomenitul, Friday, 11 December 2020 21:55 (three years ago) link
I think I lack the gene to process her music.
same tbh, although I certainly haven't given them the chance to grow on me
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 11 December 2020 21:56 (three years ago) link
I would defend her, but this is a thread for hate
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Friday, 11 December 2020 21:57 (three years ago) link
Thanks for respecting our safe space. :)
― pomenitul, Friday, 11 December 2020 21:57 (three years ago) link
I appreciate your restraint sleeve. fwiw it's worth, I was going to post "more like the Odyssey to Folklore's Iliad" on the new thread but decided that was dickish
― loose Orwellian mobs (rob), Friday, 11 December 2020 21:59 (three years ago) link
I guess that's worth nothing now that I've posted it
Don't be so hard on yourself.
― pomenitul, Friday, 11 December 2020 22:00 (three years ago) link
haha that's solid
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Friday, 11 December 2020 22:00 (three years ago) link
(the new one does not have my interest, but I like Folklore a lot)
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Friday, 11 December 2020 22:01 (three years ago) link
"The Archer" made my tracks list!
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Friday, 11 December 2020 22:02 (three years ago) link
The Archer was about Vangelis.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 11 December 2020 22:06 (three years ago) link
I like better music than all of you, so there.
― brimstead, Friday, 11 December 2020 22:09 (three years ago) link
Thank goodness for this thread! I was starting to feel like the only one.
I liked Lover,, but I did not get the excitement about folklore at all, and for the most part I don't get evermore either.
I think Taylor is capable of writing a concise, effective lyric when she's working in the framework of a pop song - something like "22" or "Blank Space," - but I think folklore lets her give into all her worst impulses lyrically. She doesn't have to fit her lyrics into the shorter lines of a pop song, so she has complete freedom to torture all of her metaphors to death.
I think she's not bad at writing about herself, especially when she can bring herself to be self-critical, as she is on Lover. I really hate her "storytelling," most of which reminds me of YA romance novels and movies starring Reese Witherspoon.
My favorite Taylor song is "The Archer," for what it's worth.
― Lily Dale, Friday, 11 December 2020 22:14 (three years ago) link
*opens thread*
ctrl+f sault
*leaves thread*
― alpine static, Friday, 11 December 2020 22:19 (three years ago) link
I bitched about them a wee bit on the EOY lists thread. I don't think their music is actively bad or even not good, just way overhyped.
― pomenitul, Friday, 11 December 2020 22:21 (three years ago) link
To me seeing critics go nuts for Taylor Swift is kind of like seeing foodies flip out for Hershey's Chocolate.
― Evan, Friday, 11 December 2020 22:30 (three years ago) link
Touché.
― pomenitul, Friday, 11 December 2020 22:34 (three years ago) link
And which artist is the gourmet Madagascar 73.5% dark chocolate in your analogy?
― good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Friday, 11 December 2020 22:38 (three years ago) link
the rockist one
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Friday, 11 December 2020 22:41 (three years ago) link
Taytay stans are def rockist.
― pomenitul, Friday, 11 December 2020 22:44 (three years ago) link
my biggest gripe with taytay is the amount of instant attention she commands from absolutely fucking everyone on ilm, her music varies between good and utterly repulsively dead-eyed brand exercises but can't she release something and not have it be an Event ffs
― imago, Friday, 11 December 2020 22:47 (three years ago) link
anyway a good takedown of Sault would be more daring & interesting
― imago, Friday, 11 December 2020 22:49 (three years ago) link
and lol I guess there's a few artists who create ILM waves whenever they do anything tbf
― imago, Friday, 11 December 2020 22:51 (three years ago) link
taytay commands instant attention from all corners, idk why ilm would be different.
― la table sur la table (voodoo chili), Friday, 11 December 2020 22:53 (three years ago) link
I fucking hate musicals with a passion (worst music ever imo, by a country mile) and I fucking loathe every Taytay song I've ever heard, so you're on to something.
― pomenitul, Friday, December 11, 2020 2:22 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
correlation is not causation!!!!
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 11 December 2020 22:54 (three years ago) link
xxp was gonna say
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Friday, 11 December 2020 22:54 (three years ago) link
Can't argue with that tbh.
― pomenitul, Friday, 11 December 2020 22:54 (three years ago) link
Tbf I only said it merits further investigation.
i can’t stand (most) modern musical theater either, if that’s what we’re talking about when we say “musicals”
she has a lot more in common with dear evan hansen than rodgers & hammerstein
― la table sur la table (voodoo chili), Friday, 11 December 2020 22:57 (three years ago) link
Sometimes I wish you'd just let the secret Brad hate flow itt. Mostly you're just defending artists from our primal scream therapy.
xp
― pomenitul, Friday, 11 December 2020 22:58 (three years ago) link
there's just so much music to hear and greedy taytay has released two really long albums in a year that she knows all the pop critics and stans are going to spend the next 2 weeks listening to! o taytay why must you feed and feed and feed
― imago, Friday, 11 December 2020 22:58 (three years ago) link
yes this is unfortunately true xxp
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 11 December 2020 22:58 (three years ago) link
cosign that I would read a proper Brad hatchet-job, although they don't seem to go too far beyond 'eh not my thing'. joooin usssss
― imago, Friday, 11 December 2020 22:59 (three years ago) link
tbh i think i've forgotten how to hate any kind of musical art and i prefer it this way
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 11 December 2020 23:01 (three years ago) link
I think this was the year when I've felt the least need for pop music, defined broadly, especially contemporary pop, which I think means that I don't get every release that has been hyped.
― The New York Times' effect on man (Sund4r), Friday, 11 December 2020 23:02 (three years ago) link
my hate flows in other directions; talk to me about popular article writers sometime xp
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 11 December 2020 23:02 (three years ago) link
tbh I bow to your enlightenment and hope one day to approximate it somehow. also lol fair
― imago, Friday, 11 December 2020 23:02 (three years ago) link