thread to dis hyped releases that you don't get/don't like/wanna complain about

Agreed. It would also make that lyric 30% better if the bleeping were included in the delivery.

I viscerally loathe everything I've ever heard that was Microphones/Elverum related, absolutely Not For Me

Cigarettes After Sex I haven't heard because that band name gives me the visceral heebie jeebies

a slightly controversial but positive opinion is that elverum's public processing of bereavement and its aftermath has been maybe more interesting than the music that comes with it

Cigarettes After Sex are somehow much, much worse than the name implies

'Apocalypse' is a generically pretty song but dude sounds like a bona fide creep, which is not what I want from my dream poppy slowcore.

Young & Dumb is my go-to 'worst thing I've ever heard'

lol don't read these comments:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlBIeZi3Ko4

I like musicals a lot, but (with a couple of exceptions) I'm not into the ballads. I want big stomps/marches/tap solos/throwing someone in the air/synchronised swimming/whoops I killed my husband/we're a mean mean urchin gang/sex worker solidarity/jazz hands baybeeeee musicals.

Taylor Swift? Meh.

pet shop boys nightlife album still sucks after many listens and they lost me then and afters!

peace god

My housemates love musicals, especially the recent ones that are all witty and self-aware about being a musical (my least favorite kind.) They hate Taylor Swift. I think it has something to do with being into the kind of technically accomplished singing you get in musical theater, and noticing all the weaknesses in Taylor's singing.

Yeah, I might have issues with both things but it would have never occurred to me to connect confessional country-pop singer-songwriter Taylor Swift to the musical theatre tradition.

They have nothing in common, IMO

^lol wuz just about to post the same thing

wasn’t really a fan before, like a couple singles but I think Folklore is a pretty amazing album. its still not really “my kind of thing”, it’s the kind of sad music makes me feel sad and crappy..

pet shop boys nightlife album still sucks after many listens and they lost me then and afters!

The last good PSBs album was Very. Like Madonna, they should have packed it in at least 25 years ago.

it’s the kind of sad music makes me feel sad and crappy.

good way of putting it, that's how I feel about it as well. I haven't been able to give it a chance to grow on me because I just never want to listen to it.

We checked out the new Taylor Swift yesterday because so many people that we usually align with are talking about it and at least not panning it. Andy thought it was unremarkably pleasant, but Junior said something along the lines of,

What the fuck Andy. Do not EVER play that fucking garbage again. If I wanted to hear the soundtrack from Dawson's Creek, I'd just let you play Trembling Blue Stars again for the millionth time.

To which I have to say: okay, I'll listen to Trembling Blue Stars again. Anytime.☺

there's something to that. I adore trembling blue stars

I live for music that makes me feel sad and crappy. I dislike music that makes me feel sad and crappy about the state of music, though. I'm aware that authenticity has been BTFO and is no longer a relevant concept in 2020, but part of the reason I can't stand Swift is because her shtick just reeks of corporate artifice (which is fine in and of itself) even as it pseudo-earnestly pretends to be more than that (this is the part I find insufferable) and I just can't imagine *not* being struck by that trait first and foremost.

– some kind of neo-rockist

damn you would prefer she wrote songs about credit cards?

Yes, unironically.

Dunno, the whole thing just doesn't sound felt at all. Whenever her music is playing I get the sense that someone is trying to grift me, and the attempt is about as convincing as an MLM scheme.

I dont think shes a corporate stooge I just think she's often boring

thread to dis hyped releases that you don't get/don't like/wanna complain about for projections xp

lol sorry i'll stop

I know you like saying that when someone dislikes music you like, but… could it be that we're not… hearing the same thing?

that was more of a lighthearted joke about the entire thread than it probably came off

you guys just don’t like it, stop making up pseudo intellectual fake-objective nonsense

lol sorry that was mean

No worries, I'm personally cool with pushback itt.

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you guys just don’t like it the musical equivalent of Skittles, stop making up pseudo intellectual fake-objective nonsense

Maybe it's because I spend too much time on Twitter, but I seriously feel like I no longer have anything in common, mentally or emotionally, with people who really, really like pop music. Pop feels fucking bizarre to me; when I hear a pop song (and "pop" in this formulation encompasses rap, R&B, boy band and girl group stuff whether in English or Korean, mainstream country, radio rock, etc.) it's either intensely boring, like anything-off-the-last-three-Coldplay-albums boring, or I feel like a residue's been left on my skin afterward.

Be the challop you want to see in the world.

xp feel exactly the same tbh (minus rap, unless you're only referring to super mainstream party material).

"thread to dis hyped releases" :

"Ymmv, i guess"
"It's my fault if I don't like it"

I think it's everyone else's fault that they like Taylor Swift.*

*for the purposes of this thread

I gotta approach Sault with fresh ears, unsullied by the adulation, in the future. I listened and I was reminded of how I felt when I first listened to "Mezzanine" at the end of 1998, and "Play" at the end of 1999.

One of these is not like the others.

Obv I don't know but I never really questioned TS's authenticity. If anything, it might be more of an "all bad poetry springs from sincere feeling" situation imo. Don't know the new album, though.

xp They are the same to me... albums that have what I'd describe as "broad usage"-- it can be political, it can sell cars, it can suit hotel lobbies, it can accompany closing credits.

Tbc her music sounds like she's also lying to herself.

xp

Mezzanine is considerably more interesting than that, especially 'Inertia Creeps'. But you're not wrong, fgti.

I listened and I was reminded of how I felt when I first listened to "Mezzanine" at the end of 1998, and "Play" at the end of 1999.

Did you not like Mezzanine? (semi-xp; I see what you're saying, I guess)

I started with Untitled (Black Is) and my initial thought was, "This is like if Soul II Soul had made Black Messiah" and to me that was a very good thing. I would like to know more about your (presumably negative) response though.

I enjoy Rise and the Cleo Sol records, but they're undeniably over-hyped (esp on ilm) for being basically what Simon Reynolds would call "record-collection rock." There's plenty of RCR or RCR-ish stuff I myself like or even love (Ghost Box, Broadcast, etc.). What's weird is hearing people talk about them like they're singular geniuses while also describing their music in pastiche formulas like [post-punk + disco + neo-soul]

i listened to sault and found it kind of landfill-y idk

Nicolas Jarr reminds me of Play sometimes but I don’t hold it against him

I like all these albums! "Broad usage" is an observation, not a dis... I personally gravitate toward work that is "narrow usage", like, my aoty is "Shutting Down Here", which you won't hear anywhere except in my apartment when I'm cooking

If you remove the spectre of authorship from these albums I've mentioned (a Banksy-adjacent English collective with Tricky and Liz Fraser? a problematic vegan Christian ex-punk blue appropriationist? an anonymous collective?), these three albums-- or others like them, see idk Prefuse 73, St. Germain-- feature loving and zeitgeist-y production, but most notably derive their vocal performances from a variety of sources, which subsumes any attachment of authorship. That is: there is a diffusion of identity insofar as vocal contributions are concerned. This decision effectively creates music that is perfect for "broad usage"-- with the "producer's voice" becoming the fulcrum of the work, and the vocal performances being basically a variety show, the music feels more attached to a particular time than a particular artist.

*blues, not blue

xp

To me, Taylor Swift writes like an ex-precocious-kid whose mental and emotional growth was stunted by early fame and who has very little actual imagination. She has a keen eye for detail in the things that have actually happened to her, but she's lived in a bubble since age fifteen and she writes like it.

The most interesting thing about her is her personality - the intense ambition, the work ethic, the compulsive need to have everyone like her, the constant blood feuds and vengeances. When she mines that - goes, "what kind of a person is Taylor Swift and how did I get that way?" - she's got something real to work with. There was a lot of that on Lover, which is why I liked Lover. But when she lets her imagination "run wild," imo, it only runs as far as the local all-white high school. It's like she was cut off from the world at a formative age and has tried to reconstruct it from YA novels and made-for-Hulu movies, which I'm pretty sure is what actually happened.

i really love some pop music and artists, even albums that came out this year (including the kylie minogue album which everyone seems to dislike). i think my issue with taylor swift is that she's too alpha, not that she's shallow or w/e. like the girl in high school who is prom queen and also debate team champ and wants to be valedictorian. speaking of projection!

i think it's honest and appropriate to project at least a little bit in one's likes and dislikes. we all have egos ffs. not everything has to be appreciated on its own terms. just because it can be argued that most things are created with a kind of pureness or generosity of spirit does not mean that we have to meet everything in that space - who has the time and energy for that? i mean unless you're a music critic and it benefits you to do so.