Absolute shitshow on Twitter― bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, April 26, 2021 12:17 PM
― bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, April 26, 2021 12:17 PM
lol like that isn't just the natural state of twitter
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 26 April 2021 21:25 (three years ago) link
Absolute shitshow is the lowest limit of the Twitter shit scale, a state at which the enthalpy and entropy of a tweet reaches their minimum value, taken as zero shits given.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 26 April 2021 21:28 (three years ago) link
that is some super solid forensic twitter analysis. your analyses deserve a better subject than twitter, honestly.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 26 April 2021 22:26 (three years ago) link
If actually reflects the Twitter shit paradox, which is that as a twitter thread approaches absolute shitshow, it becomes inversely proportional to the actual number of people that give a shit. Scientists have been trying to wrap their brains around it for years.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 26 April 2021 22:39 (three years ago) link
https://themuse.jezebel.com/you-dont-have-to-give-interviews-st-vincent-1846764691
The funny thing is, Clark has been unusually hostile to the press before.. After GQ published a profile of Clark in 2019, the writer Molly Young posted a now-deleted addendum to the piece on her own website describing how much Clark seemed to hate the entire process. She reportedly barely looked at Young, gave extremely short answers to her questions, and at one point asked her with “audible hostility” if she “liked doing this.” “Why had she agreed to this story?” Young wrote. “St. Vincent does not need to be in GQ. This is an elective activity.”
Women artists, especially in music, are often penalized for being aloof and cold. Historically, women performers have been expected to entertain audiences, while men get to go off and be sullen geniuses who destroy recording studios and make great art. So I can see Clark delighting in a posture that is unwilling to be forthcoming or cheery. Unfortunately, there is a fine line between being performatively difficult or caustic to make a dramatic point and being, well, an asshole.
― piscesx, Monday, 26 April 2021 22:45 (three years ago) link
In an email to Jezebel, Madden writes: “It was not my wish for it to be taken down. Ultimately, it was a pretty innocuous interview, and the fact it doesn’t exist on the internet tonight goes to show that the law and corporations reinforce one another and the law unfailingly permits corporations to win. I am dismayed that truth, even at its most inane, is beholden to these structures of power, but I am more determined than ever to try and rebalance our industry and to get my silly blogpost back on the web.”
― bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 26 April 2021 23:51 (three years ago) link
I agree with this point sure but comparing Annie Clark to a corporation is really weird
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― zaddy’s home (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 26 April 2021 23:54 (three years ago) link
If that’s what she’s saying then comparing “taking a blog post down” to “the law” is also really weird
― bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 00:01 (three years ago) link
https://memegenerator.net/img/images/72429049.jpg
― bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 00:02 (three years ago) link
Is the idea that St. Vincent's people filed a DMCA complaint or something? The article doesn't say anything about the post being taken down other than calling it "now-deleted."
― smoking grass, poor caddying. (morrisp), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 00:05 (three years ago) link
Sounds like she's saying Clark's label (Loma Vista Recordings, part of Concord Music Group, which is distributed by Universal) filed a takedown notice against her blog host, which then yanked her post.
Having worked at a major label that had a whole department devoted to filing takedown notices, this is not in any way shocking to me. Asshole-ish, but entirely in keeping with major label record company practice.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 00:06 (three years ago) link
If DMCAs have now or ever applied to interviews that’s news to me
― bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 00:08 (three years ago) link
If that’s true then this is a much bigger story!
― bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 00:09 (three years ago) link
I mean, they shouldn't. Unless the "unnamed publication" somehow claims to own copyright in the interview (and they're the ones who filed the notice).
― smoking grass, poor caddying. (morrisp), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 00:10 (three years ago) link
I would guess she got paid by the original publication that spiked it and they claimed ownership?
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 00:13 (three years ago) link
that's the only possibility. a label can't file a DMCA over something they don't own (an interview)
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 27 April 2021 00:15 (three years ago) link
I guess that would make sense but what corporation-level publication has a legal team that would A) waste time with this and B) combat a piece of bad PR with ... another piece of bad PR!
― bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 00:16 (three years ago) link
i mean, she prob got notified that the outlet would pursue legal action and took it down voluntarily
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 27 April 2021 00:18 (three years ago) link
Think this album might be her ‘Rudebox’.
― piscesx, Tuesday, 27 April 2021 00:39 (three years ago) link
Sensible take
for the past decade, just about every conflict between a journalist and a famous musician has been the same: the celebrity feels that any kind of scrutiny or interpretation is a violation, so they take it out on a relatively powerless, underpaid person who can't hurt them— Judy Berman (@judyberman) April 26, 2021
― piscesx, Tuesday, 27 April 2021 01:00 (three years ago) link
Absolute dogshit take.
St Vincent didn't do a single fucking thing to the writer!
St. Vincent took it out on the *editor*. The writer's beef should be with the *editor* that let St. Vincent steamroll her work and (presumably) cut her rate in half for a kill fee
― bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 01:05 (three years ago) link
i think it is fair for the writer to be mad at both st vincent and the editor
― ufo, Tuesday, 27 April 2021 01:38 (three years ago) link
This is not a rational way to respond to Judy Berman.
Did you read her other tweets?
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 01:45 (three years ago) link
Jezebel has also reached out to Clark’s publicity company MBC for comment and will update this story if they respond.Even if you don’t agree with Whiney, why didn’t Jezebel reach out to the publication for comment? Or even name the publication? They definitely seem to be letting it slip out of the causality chain here.
― smoking grass, poor caddying. (morrisp), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 02:05 (three years ago) link
xpost, yeah it does make more sense with the other tweets
― bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 02:18 (three years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/dfzbMN1.jpeg
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 02:53 (three years ago) link
I am sympathetic to the writer of the piece because I know what it's like to prepare for an interview and have an idea how it will go but then find out that the artist isn't on the same page as I am. Then you throw in the extra bit about how she had a very small amount of time (and constant reminders of this) which makes it hard to gracefully shift gears when the conversation screeches to a halt.
Also, I don't understand why St. Vincent and/or her handlers would be "terrified" about that interview. There were a couple of interesting quotes and none were particularly incriminating or could be made out to make St. Vincent look bad. If I looked at a transcription like that after an interview in my writing days, I would sigh and realize I really have to use more of my word count on my own observations than artist quotes. And then I would do that. But I don't see a reason those observations would be accusatorial or mean.
All that said, posting it on a blog was terrible form. Nothing good can come of it other than to point out how mean/terrible St. Vincent and/or her handlers are, but as we see above just as many people think it's all the writer's fault in the first place. Meanwhile she shot herself in the foot and might have even dragged the publication down with her (my guess is the author took it at the bequest of the publication, maybe she just thought better of it when she got negative feedback; I doubt "the man" could have forced that).
Also, maura is pretty wise and if she says the writer is not trustworthy, she has a good reason for saying it. Ultimately the writer winds up looking worse here which is sucks because I am generally on Team Writer in these cases.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 03:29 (three years ago) link
it's also possible she just said "sitar" as shorthand instead of saying the full phrase "electric sitar," like how nobody says the full phrase "electric guitar" anymore
Fwiw, this is definitely possible but I don't think these two things are equivalent - an electric guitar is a guitar, just an amplified one; an 'electric sitar' is not an amplified sitar.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 17:41 (three years ago) link
I don't think her terminology or identification skills are that important, though, as much as I think it would have been more interesting for her to follow up on it - still, we've done a p good job of it here so it's all good in the end.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 17:45 (three years ago) link
From Jezebel: “editors and publications like the one Madden said she was writing for”
This sounds like they couldn’t even confirm she was actually writing for who she said she was.
― This Is Not An ILX Username (LaMonte), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 20:42 (three years ago) link
Maybe this is all just a layered PR blitz for the new album that somehow plays into her new character.
The whole thing is just weird and no one really walks away from this looking good. If anything, the interviewer came across sounding underprepared or at least not ready for Clark's standoffishness in interviews, but nothing I saw that was worthy of a PR team freak out.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 21:19 (three years ago) link
Well, I haven't read the interview and have little interest in St Vincent and yet I still looked at this thread.
― djh, Tuesday, 27 April 2021 21:20 (three years ago) link
*"Don't ask questions about _____" policy.*
This reminded me of the time I telephone interviewed a band who were promoting some live shows for a brewery. I was asked not to talk about getting drunk/messy on alcohol. Obviously, I did. This was when I discovered that PRs listen in. I was a naive journalist.
― djh, Tuesday, 27 April 2021 21:28 (three years ago) link
If you cant get the personal basis for this request for exception, i dunno. Not that i think it’s unforgiveable, just cmon, that’s a maelstrom for her—
― Hunt3r, Wednesday, 28 April 2021 00:50 (three years ago) link
I used to really like this artist when they weren't famous for bullshit
― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 01:09 (three years ago) link
It saddens me to see the backlash she is getting, TBH. I think she's a very talented musician; that run from Actor through s/t is a pretty perfect run of three albums that show steady and impressive progress and absolutely any artist would be lucky to do as well. Like most musicians, she might be kind of a fucking pain in the ass and have an ego. Whatever. I think the press thing for the last album where journalists had to crawl through a tunnel was funny. I think her new thing is contrived and not to my taste. Whatever!
― akm, Wednesday, 28 April 2021 01:16 (three years ago) link
I was yesterday years old when I learned she got her start in The Polyphonic Spree.
― blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 01:45 (three years ago) link
It really is insane watching 15 years of nerds hyperbolically overpraising indie rock people and then just absolutely tearing them down on some "Actually, this was never good"
cf. CYHSY, Tune-Yards, Grimes, AnCo, Arcade Fire...
― bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 01:59 (three years ago) link
I think the press thing for the last album where journalists had to crawl through a tunnel was funny. she sounds like an asshole
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 02:04 (three years ago) link
wait polyphonic spree? woah
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 02:05 (three years ago) link
Are there really people, like on ILX of all places, that didn't know she was in the Polyphonic Spree? that was the main reason I dismissed her in the first place! and then I came around to her circa Strange Mercy and then etc.
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 02:06 (three years ago) link
Are there really people, like on ILX of all places, that didn't know she was in the Polyphonic Spree?
I had no idea until now. But I'm not exactly a fan either.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 28 April 2021 02:07 (three years ago) link
oh man this explains so much
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 02:10 (three years ago) link
it was the main talking point when her first record came out
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 28 April 2021 02:11 (three years ago) link
Huh. I just knew about the Sufjan connection.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 28 April 2021 02:12 (three years ago) link
― bruce spr!ngisH3r3 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, April 27, 2021 9:59 PM (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
it's almost as if none of it matters
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 28 April 2021 02:14 (three years ago) link
she must’ve left The Spree before the Mother 13 incident on Mt. Everest.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 28 April 2021 02:16 (three years ago) link
To be fair, everyone was in The Polyphonic Spree
― 80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 02:32 (three years ago) link
So far, have there been any post-millennial indie artists who have been acclaimed, derided, and then rehabilitated?
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 28 April 2021 02:41 (three years ago) link