― Vitalski, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Sasha (sgh), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:00 (twenty years ago) link
― Roger in Mokum (Roger T), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:05 (twenty years ago) link
― dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:07 (twenty years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:08 (twenty years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:09 (twenty years ago) link
not really prog, more jazz-fusion
― steeve mcqueen (steeve mcqueen), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:33 (twenty years ago) link
― dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:35 (twenty years ago) link
― Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:36 (twenty years ago) link
He certainly plays a lot of beats on those albums, ha ha.
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:37 (twenty years ago) link
(x-post)
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:37 (twenty years ago) link
― dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:39 (twenty years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:42 (twenty years ago) link
I've always wished someone would sample Bill Bruford's china-boy extravaganza on "One More Red Nightmare".
― dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:55 (twenty years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:57 (twenty years ago) link
― superultramega (superultramarinated), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 15:29 (twenty years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 15:31 (twenty years ago) link
and the devi influenced tracks by brian auger's oblivian express.
― mike bott, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 16:07 (twenty years ago) link
― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 16:17 (twenty years ago) link
http://www.suckadelic.com/main.html
I have the lotr one, which is only a little bit funny, unfortunately...
― Conor (Conor), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:15 (twenty years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:21 (twenty years ago) link
― dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:22 (twenty years ago) link
― Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:37 (twenty years ago) link
South Side Of the SkyGoing For The OneRitual (!!)OOALHLong Distance RunaroundSoon
― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:57 (twenty years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:01 (twenty years ago) link
― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:02 (twenty years ago) link
― Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:08 (twenty years ago) link
― 57 7th (calstars), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:14 (twenty years ago) link
― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:17 (twenty years ago) link
Vitalski: It's an obvious answer but do you have Yes' Fragile? The second side is a goldmine. Side 2 opens with the first drum and bass track evah! Also check out the intro to "Heart of the Sunrise" and "The Fish" and the basslines to "Long Distance Runaround" and "Roundabout". Neil Peart is another obvious choice.
I find Inner Mounting Flame more or less unlistenable once I got past how virtuosic it is.
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:23 (twenty years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:25 (twenty years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:31 (twenty years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:40 (twenty years ago) link
Return to Forever (w/diMeola), for ex., sounds more like emotionless showmanship to me. Fun in some ways, in no way deep like Mahavishnu.
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:40 (twenty years ago) link
I saw them in Lowell at the Paul Tsongas Arena last weekend (the last gig of this leg of their tour; I think the one right after MSG), which they were videotaping I believe for a PBS special and later a DVD release. They played The Beatles' "Every Little Thing" (an early cover of theirs, but very much revamped) as an encore instead of "Soon", plus "Starship Trooper" as the final closer. Great versions of "And You and I", "Ritual", "Turn of the Century"...
Minuses: They did a shuffle-blues acoustic version of "Roundabout" (like Clapton did for "Layla" on his Unplugged)--sounds too cheezy to me. Dean's inflatable set looked very (ahem) Stonehenge like.
That aside, I continue to be amazed at what a great show these guys still put on, since they're all like 55-60 years old. Plus, the a/c that night was non-existent, so it was like 85-90 degrees on stage the entire time for them.
― Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:09 (twenty years ago) link
― Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:10 (twenty years ago) link
― chaki_burger (chaki), Friday, 21 May 2004 00:25 (twenty years ago) link
― Bryan (Bryan), Saturday, 22 May 2004 19:01 (twenty years ago) link
― Bryan (Bryan), Saturday, 22 May 2004 19:05 (twenty years ago) link
it actually exists. it's actually pretty good.
― (Jon L), Monday, 24 May 2004 17:04 (twenty years ago) link
― earlnash, Monday, 24 May 2004 17:12 (twenty years ago) link
― chaki_burger (chaki), Monday, 24 May 2004 21:39 (twenty years ago) link
Area/Demetrio Stratos: C or D
― Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 01:01 (twenty years ago) link
Rustic Hinge's [recorded 1970, not released until '88, former Arthur Brown sidemen, almost certainly the first Trout Mask Replica-disciples] is excellent but you'll probably never find it. ― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 06:13 (twenty years ago) link
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 06:13 (twenty years ago) link
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 06:25 (twenty years ago) link
― Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 06:31 (twenty years ago) link
Prog that rocks...
Alan Parsons Project "Stereotomy" (leans towards pop)Alan Parsons "Try Anything Once" (absolute rock masterpiece)
― jigue (jigue), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 11:34 (twenty years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 11:41 (twenty years ago) link
got to do another set yesterday, heard some guy was coming who was big into "German prog" so I brought Can, Faust, Amon Duul, and so on
turns out he was talking about Triumvirat. which I also brought, lmao
anyway favorite moment was going from the drum freakout part of Phallus Dei to the bit on the first track of Vision Creation Newsun where the drums kick in. some guy remarked "hmm you're a bit different than the other guy"
― frogbs, Saturday, 6 April 2024 03:51 (five months ago) link
Van der Graaf are pretty good. At least Pawn Hearts.
(Which I posted about on ilx before but could not recall lol)
I despise the cover though. Needs AI redesign
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 8 April 2024 21:41 (five months ago) link
do VdG have any good covers? godbluff is at least not embarrassing i guess
― mark s, Monday, 8 April 2024 21:44 (five months ago) link
I guess you're talking about the photo inside the gatefold, but in general VdGG must win some sort of award for shittiest prog rock cover art. Other than Still Life, which is OK-ish, every album looks like it was knocked out on someone's tea break.
xpost!
― if i just keep writing a plot will emerge by itself (Matt #2), Monday, 8 April 2024 21:46 (five months ago) link
The front album cover art, whatever you call it. Felt revulsed by it, and I usually never comment on that kind of thing.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 8 April 2024 21:51 (five months ago) link
i love when VDG gets all chessed out
― mark s, Monday, 8 April 2024 21:56 (five months ago) link
I love Pawn Hearts but agree that the cover art is horrible. Also the gatefold is arguably worse, with the four of them goofin' around with Nazi salutes. Didn't age very well, that.
― sawdust lagoon, Monday, 8 April 2024 22:04 (five months ago) link
The live album has not a bad cover and "Still Life" is better than OK-ish.
― Hunky Tory (Tom D.), Monday, 8 April 2024 22:19 (five months ago) link
WFMU's prog show "It's Complicated" (Monday evenings, next show in 35 min.) is a decent place to make new discoveries -- https://www.wfmu.org/playlists/GX
― Ippei's on a bummer now (WmC), Monday, 8 April 2024 22:26 (five months ago) link
So this is the guy that designed the cover.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Whitehead
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 8 April 2024 22:33 (five months ago) link
OK @ that wire sculpture of Lennon
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 8 April 2024 22:34 (five months ago) link
young robert wyatt tardises into the super furry animals after gruff quits
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNAiWrzomUk
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 19:41 (five months ago) link
Yeah, that Wizrd record is really good!
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 20:01 (five months ago) link
glad you like it, definitely my prog discovery of the year thus far
speaking of VdGG I'm revisiting the 1st album, kinda funny to hear them before they figured their sound out, especially since on "Octopus" they seem to figure it out all at once. what a monster of a track that is. but "Aguarian" is the best track I think
― frogbs, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 03:14 (five months ago) link
A recent and really excellent discovery, should maybe be on a Krautrock thread, but belongs here as well I feel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh8D0U-lfwY
― Maresn3st, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 21:28 (five months ago) link
Funnily enough I was listening to that album last week. I like the track "Big City" but that's it. Stretching the concept of Krautrock to breaking point there. Their second album is probably better.
― My God's got no nose... (Tom D.), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 21:32 (five months ago) link
Loving the first Cairo album, they get compared to ELP a lot but I think I like Cairo more!
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 14 April 2024 01:19 (five months ago) link
i think they really mean it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVbXHQ47YB0
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 20:41 (five months ago) link
I think this is the right thread.
My friend did this. She's into uhhh The Mars Volta and Cardiacs and other good stuff. It's amazing and I say that with as little bias as I can muster. Leafy and frogbs can vouch for her too
https://april1830.bandcamp.com/album/the-adventures-of-space-pig
― imago, Thursday, 18 April 2024 11:05 (five months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rjGhCRvWBc
― Maresn3st, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 16:25 (five months ago) link
Great stuff in the last three posts but *taps thread again* but Azure and April 1830 belong in hereProg V3.0 Discussion Thread
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 28 April 2024 03:30 (five months ago) link
new setlist!!
Tangent -> Spark in the AetherJethro Tull -> Cross eyed maryTangent -> Spark pt. 2Echolyn -> WarjazzTodd - International feelsomething else?Todd - When the Shit Hits the Fan and International Feel pt 2Can - One More NightYes - Yours is No DisgracePFM - E'Festa, cut into the end of Yours is No DisgracePopol Vuh - some of side 1 of seligspresiungFrost - HyperventilateRush - LimelightNazz - Open My EyesELP - Love Beach...had to troll 'em a bit lmaoKing Gizzard - Am I In Heaven?Animal Collective - end of Alvin RowBattles - Sugar Foot (with Jon Anderson!)Cluster - SowiesosoAshra - SunrainGenesis - DuchessIQ - Born BrilliantUtopia - Communion with the SunELP - Knife EdgeFripp - DisengageRenassiance - Carpet of the SunMagma - Emehenteaheh-re part 2 (the "Hhai" part)Gentle Giant - Mister Class and QualityZappa - St Alphonzo/Father OblivionRiverside - track 2 off some album ?? idk someone brought thisFrost - Day and AgeWobbler - Fermented HoursYes - Close to the EdgeMarillion - FugaziGenesis - All in a Mouse's NightVdgg - House with No Doorsomething by Alan parsons??Porcupine Tree - TrainsCan - I'm so GreenSteve Hillage - Salmon SongWIZRD - SpitfireCamel - idk something that ruledTriumvirat - Viva PompeiiRush - YYZKing Crimson - Frame by FrameZappa - Gumbo VariationsKing Crimson - Cat FoodMidday Veil - Divide by Zero
― frogbs, Friday, 7 June 2024 05:07 (three months ago) link
Nice! Sowiesoso > Sun Rain > Duchess is a brilliant run
― sawdust lagoon, Friday, 7 June 2024 07:07 (three months ago) link
when i was doing that I had Duke on the "Now Playing" sign while Sunrain was on because I don't have that Ashra New Age of Earth vinyl (it's really hard to find!), someone came back and was like "this is blowing my mind, I had no idea Genesis did stuff like this"
― frogbs, Friday, 7 June 2024 16:44 (three months ago) link
You should record it for us next time you do a set, frogbs!
― Maresn3st, Friday, 7 June 2024 16:49 (three months ago) link
that must have been an amazing time. two requests for the next one -- Ring Van Möbius and Chronicles of Father Robin
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 7 June 2024 18:53 (three months ago) link
good shit! loving that midday veil
the nerd in me wants to ask which version of "disengage"
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 7 June 2024 20:02 (three months ago) link
I would record it but I don't know how!
"Disengage" was the version of Exposure...I forgot there was another one
I've played Chronicles of Father Robin before, that and Wobbler are the two that always make people come back and go "what is this? what year is this from?"
― frogbs, Monday, 10 June 2024 18:09 (three months ago) link
going again tonight. the place is at a cool angle where when the sun sets it kind of hits a window in a cool way, I'm gonna see if I can line up Popol Vuh's "Aguirre" at that moment :)
― frogbs, Thursday, 11 July 2024 17:52 (two months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkzt_cDhATg
― Maresn3st, Friday, 12 July 2024 21:51 (two months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eq7O5Pn-owNever knew about this soundtrack
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 2 August 2024 15:07 (one month ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosemary_Butler_(singer)Hadn't heard of her either but she sings on this
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 2 August 2024 15:21 (one month ago) link
I've been quite enjoying the Aqanesuss album from a couple of years ago, it's Yoshida from Ruins / Koenji-hyakkei and some people I've never heard of playing in more of a classic prog style than his usual. Vocals have an Annie Haslam feel to them, which makes a nice change from most prog singers nowadays who sound like they're auditioning for a Lloyd-Webber musical. Possibly some Fruupp influences in there? Half a point docked for AI cover art, no-one needs that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzATCyZhjSs
― who KNEW what was going on in David Tibet's head (Matt #2), Friday, 2 August 2024 15:23 (one month ago) link
finally read Dave Weigel's book The Show That Never Ends. it was pretty good - I can recommend it to anyone who regularly posts on this thread. most of the history I knew already but there was still a lot of interesting stuff, particularly about how this music was received at the time. it's chock full of quotes from the musicians themselves too. it does struggle a bit painting a cohesive narrative, mostly because a lot of the major players had vastly different paths after the 70s...Genesis obviously did really well, Yes had a ton of weird shit going on before settling in as a nostalgia act, King Crimson were mostly successful in their successive incarnations (unfortunately the book was written before their most recent reunion), ELP sort of fell apart. but it does a great job nailing the appeal of this music and making a really good case for it as something different than your average musical fad. It does rely a bit on the "punk killed prog" narrative which I don't think is totally true but it does correctly point out how record company attitudes really did change from 1969 to 1979 in a way that makes something like the golden age of prog basically impossible.
mostly I liked it just to get a sense of the major players. Robert Fripp very much does seem like a massive weirdo. Greg Lake comes off like a massive dick. So does Steve Howe to some extent. But most of the rest seemed cool and generally eccentric in ways that I thought were reflective of the music they made. the Gentle Giant guys seemed to be the most self-aware. unfortunately the book omits a lot, or rather a lot of it is out of scope, but it's plenty long as it is.
― frogbs, Thursday, 8 August 2024 18:07 (one month ago) link
i am also reading weigel's book, tho i am only up to king crimson 2nd alb currently, and mainly still learning things i already knew (greg lake very much sucks as a person, this was v widely known back in the 70s even to committed ELP fans lol)
the weaving together of the various narratives is useful: what coincides with what and who was reacting to it, viz yes being grumpy and shocked that king crimson 1st alb obliterated their (much more ordinary) debut
weigel misses or muddles a few things by not being a brit maybe (at one point he says that organs are the kind of music you hear at ballgames; true in the US but was this it relevantly true in the UK? i don't think it's part of a UK musician's associative memory back in that era) and he sometimes places the detail of a tale in a faintly strange order ((needed a slightly sterner editor, tho i realise i always say this) (= hire me! i can improve yr book by being puzzled!)
― mark s, Saturday, 17 August 2024 11:00 (one month ago) link
at one point he says that organs are the kind of music you hear at ballgames; true in the US but was this it relevantly true in the UK?
LOL. Check if Reginald Dixon is in the index.
― Defund Phil Collins (Tom D.), Saturday, 17 August 2024 11:05 (one month ago) link
he is not 😔
― mark s, Saturday, 17 August 2024 11:15 (one month ago) link
most 😳 moment so far is the late gordon haskell -- who couldn't see the point of keith tippett and left KC on pretty bad terms -- long aftwards describing the band as "musical fascism, made by fascists, designed by fascists to dehumanise, to strip mankind of his dignity and soul. It's pure tavistock institute material, financed by the rothschild zionists and promoted by two poncy public schoolboys with connections to the city of london" (weigel's own interview with him i think, footnotes are a pain to navigate in kindle)
anyway this veers zero-to-sixty from just-about justifiable hyperbole -- fripp is very controlling and gets what he wants! -- to theodor-adorno-wrote-all-of-the-beatles-songbook level stuff
― mark s, Saturday, 17 August 2024 11:42 (one month ago) link
gotta respect that level of hate
― frogbs, Sunday, 18 August 2024 17:12 (one month ago) link
Check out "Envelopes of Yesterday" by Peter Sinfield for more anti-Fripp invective from an ex-Crimson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHlkaCpgF8Q
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 18 August 2024 17:21 (one month ago) link
There's a new Semiramis album, their first studio album since the 1973 debut, anyone heard it?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 26 August 2024 19:17 (one month ago) link
I have not, but I did see that the people over at Progarchives really dig it, so I'm definitely curious.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 26 August 2024 19:25 (one month ago) link
Sounds better than you'd have thought it might!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rEFaHa_zXI
― I spoke quietly, with a falling intonation (Matt #2), Monday, 26 August 2024 20:05 (one month ago) link