every compilation that shows up seems to make him madder
― bezos did the dub (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 12:55 (three years ago) link
yeah I get why calling him a rockist isn't right, but he exemplifies aspects of rockism more completely than any other rando on the internet I've encountered, e.g., the holiness of The Album form
then there are opinions like this that are some kind of special Geir-ism:
Nothing of interest happened in "rock" before The Beatles and the following British invasion.
― rob, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 13:11 (three years ago) link
Why don't you guys just realised that hip-hop will never be even remotely as important as rock. Hip-hop is just as passing fad - completely forgotten in 20 years - while rock will live forever.This HAS to be a joke.
― Bo Burzum (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 13:25 (three years ago) link
Actually, I think I'm 100% in favour of 'rockism' being exemplified by an Autotuned synthpop musician who hates Robert Johnson and noisy guitars.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 13:27 (three years ago) link
― rob, Wednesday, July 28, 2021 8:11 AM (nineteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
yeah for sure, he's just quirky in ways that don't line up with strict Rolling Stone/boomer rock rockism
he's really dumb and shitty about blues, rap, soul, jazz, and...um...hmm...i'm detecting a pattern here
seriously tho - i keep coming back to the darling nikki thing, so weird! and the odd thing is there are so many prince songs that fit his ideal of "songwriting" in the classic 60s sense
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 13:33 (three years ago) link
cosign
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 13:34 (three years ago) link
I think why it smells so much like rockism is that it shares the problem of extrapolating from one's own personal taste to a grand theory of what makes music Good (n.b. *I* would never do this).
Also, there are similar undercurrents of white supremacy and classism in Geir's theory that resonate with critiques of rockism, even if his idiosyncratic rationales (every time I read a Geir post I wonder if I actually know what melody is) are different
― rob, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 13:35 (three years ago) link
But then how are we meant to parse the lyrics to 'Talking to a Computer'? Verily the plot thickens.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 13:36 (three years ago) link
I think why it smells so much like rockism is that it shares the problem of extrapolating from one's own personal taste to a grand theory of what makes music Good
For sure, but the fact that Geir isn't a rock fan first and foremost turns 'rockism' into a bit of a misnomer here imo.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 13:44 (three years ago) link
đź“ą
― Bo Burzum (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 13:44 (three years ago) link
xpoh for sure, it's just unsettling to see an ostensibly real person argue that, yes Sgt Peppers really is the #1 album of all time
― rob, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 13:47 (three years ago) link
It's funny too because when I think of quintessential rock music, Sgt. Pepper is hardly the first title that springs to mind, what with its expanded instrumentation and good-natured melodies and echoes of music hall and Indian classical music. Isn't it kind of odd that the ultimate rockist album (according to one dominant narrative, at least) is a pluralist pop LP above all?
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 13:50 (three years ago) link
Uh this might be the most troublesome line in that entire post.
Besides, the entire 50s were overrated. Nothing of interest happened in "rock" before The Beatles and the following British invasion.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 13:52 (three years ago) link
I think why it smells so much like rockism is that it shares the problem of extrapolating from one's own personal taste to a grand theory of what makes music Good (n.b. *I* would never do this).Also, there are similar undercurrents of white supremacy and classism in Geir's theory that resonate with critiques of rockism, even if his idiosyncratic rationales (every time I read a Geir post I wonder if I actually know what melody is) are different
Tbh, I think it's because rockism is mostly a strawman onto which people project any bias they dislike. Prescriptivism, racism, and classism are not uniquely associated with rock or rock criticism.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 13:52 (three years ago) link
Pom, you are insane. Sgt Pepper is Luddite machismo.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 13:56 (three years ago) link
Sgt Hongroe's Rockist Challops Thread
― making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 13:58 (three years ago) link
It’s all just stuff that that one older, audiophile goofball from your local record store says. The loud one that peers over his glasses with one bulging eyeball as he inspects matrices.
― Evan, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 14:00 (three years ago) link
xp to Sund4r
True, though I think "mostly" is important: there's definitely something about the music crit canon as it stood in the 80s and into the 90s—roughly I guess? this isn't my area of expertise tbh—that is relatively aptly captured by "rockism," though the term is too broad. As ums said it's more like Boomerism-Rockism, maybe call it Wennerism in its most totalitarian form idk. I think that would make Poptimism the Maoism of this dialectic lol
― rob, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 14:02 (three years ago) link
I guess Steve Hoffman Forums is the closest thing to honest-to-God rockism that I can think of in 2021 AD, and it almost exclusively consists of moribund boomers.
xp
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 14:03 (three years ago) link
True, though I think "mostly" is important: there's definitely something about the music crit canon as it stood in the 80s and into the 90s—roughly I guess? this isn't my area of expertise tbh—that is relatively aptly captured by "rockism," though the term is too broad.
There absolutely were widespread biases in 80s and 90s rock crit but my memory is that they favoured Tracy Chapman and Arrested Development more than Rush and AC/DC.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 14:06 (three years ago) link
Tracy Chapman and Arrested Development more than Rush and AC/DC.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Wednesday, July 28, 2021 9:06 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Tracy Chapman and Arrested Development were both in their own ways calling back to older scenes of Rolling Stone music (early 70s singer songwriter/folkies and Sly and the Family Stone)...it's not a coincidence
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 14:11 (three years ago) link
I don't really know tbh. I guess I'd say rockism as I've understood it is more about canon-building than contemporary music, but I could also see an argument that celebrating Arrested Development over, say, gangsta rap was born out of a (rockist) bias toward artists who make liberal political statements. [xpost w/ ums]
That Geir post had something about What's Going On "finally" ushering in the concept album for soul music, which to me resonates with the critique that rockism only appreciates non-rock when it conforms to rock values.
All that said, as pom pointed out, "rock" is an ill-fitting signifier for concept albums, protest songs, a kind of high-art modernist ambition, etc. I'm increasingly thinking it's better explained as a generational not generic bias, which might also explain Chapman, though I'm not that familiar with her work
― rob, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 14:20 (three years ago) link
Oh, totally. I'm just not sure the critical bias was towards macho men playing loud guitars and drums, (or even, like, what the average person means by "rock").xp
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 14:23 (three years ago) link
Pretty rhythmic for a guy who hated rhythm!
― Low FODMAP* Snack Ideas (morrisp), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 14:23 (three years ago) link
There _was/is_ a crass guitars-shred/rap-is-crap pov but it was more of a mainstream FM radio listener's pov that the ostensibly rockist critics largely scorned; I feel like these things get conflated in a weird way.
Yes, although too much concept and high-art ambition was also a critical target post-Pepper. Jackson Browne uber alles, really.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 14:32 (three years ago) link
Someone found his Soulseek folder or something at one point, and it turned out he listened to lots of hip-hop and R&B. As mentioned above, I think his schtick on this board had a good dose of troll in it.
He definitely liked hip hop and R&B a lot more than he was ever going to admit on here, though he let his guard down occasionally.
― Wouldn't disgrace a Michael Jackson (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 15:47 (three years ago) link
I started reading ilxor in 2005 and "Is Geir a rockist or a challops addict or a troll or what" was a hot topic then. Geir's been gone a while (how long?) and people are still parsing his opinions. In an odd way, that's an achievement.
Two cheers, then, for Hongrockism?
― trial by wombat (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 16:38 (three years ago) link
He was the Yin to Lex’s Yang.
― Dan Worsley, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 16:48 (three years ago) link
everybody’s got a hongrø hearthis Spotify accountGeir’s a man of catholic tastes - he even has a Blues playlist for you all to follow!
― tean mean poleand cheaseang theas means hamseak feasts (breastcrawl), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 17:39 (three years ago) link
it's a Hongrock life for usinstead of Sweet Leaf, we get Styx
― making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 17:53 (three years ago) link
instead of shabooh, we get kick
― bezos did the dub (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 17:57 (three years ago) link
lmao!!!!!!!!
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 18:00 (three years ago) link
everybody’s got a hongrø hearthis Spotify account🕸Geir’s a man of catholic tastes - he even has a Blues playlist for you all to follow!
― Bo Burzum (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 18:06 (three years ago) link
Lindsey Buckingham isn't fit to shine Christine Perfect's shoes (though the fucker should).
― Taliban! (PBKR), Tuesday, 21 September 2021 23:38 (three years ago) link
Do you think his guitar playing made her songs worse?
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 00:09 (three years ago) link
No, but she's played with at least two better guitarists. And I find offensive the idea that she needed Buckingham to polish her songs.
― Taliban! (PBKR), Wednesday, 22 September 2021 00:49 (three years ago) link
I hereby regret all my posts about Springsteen and Bono on this thread, and some of y'all's about other subjects, but mostly my posts about Springsteen and Bono (which is almost all of my posts). Non-controversial, but there it is.
― dow, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 04:06 (three years ago) link
i can't look them up, but i can guess. what were your controps, and what are your regrets now? in alphabetical order! (jk)
― typo punishment #4: it feels better to me to be like there, this (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 22 September 2021 04:20 (three years ago) link
Edge of Seventeen is on an advert in the UK and I'm sorry to say that I now hate it. Never been a big fan, but reducing it to the chorus only has shown me that it is unredeemable. I also have it as an earworm, which is not helping.
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 18 October 2021 21:59 (two years ago) link
I's okay. I flagged you.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 October 2021 22:02 (two years ago) link
cheers
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 18 October 2021 22:07 (two years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/m97m3pB.jpg(credit to some dude)
― brimstead, Monday, 18 October 2021 23:29 (two years ago) link
blinding lights > take on me
― brimstead, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 00:47 (two years ago) link
what's the deal with having to rank things just enjoy music. It's like when password reminders are like "what is tour favorite food?????" jeez i dunno I'm a grownup maybe "pasghetti and meatballs or maybe those dinosaur shaped chikkin nuggs"?????
― A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 9 November 2021 23:40 (two years ago) link
rankings CAN be fun when you're maybe about to see a band live and your excitement leads you to categorize everything, but I often get stressed out making them otherwise.
― Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 November 2021 23:41 (two years ago) link
post your five favorite songs with slide guitar bite me just wrap my donald duck comics to go frodo
― A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 9 November 2021 23:42 (two years ago) link
Not you Neander\thal you're cool
― A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 9 November 2021 23:43 (two years ago) link
PS I am HAMMERED
― A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 9 November 2021 23:44 (two years ago) link
Good morning!
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 November 2021 00:01 (two years ago) link
― A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland),
OTM
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 10 November 2021 00:12 (two years ago) link