Madonna: bitch got mad flow

Oh I saw the video for this this morning, I don't know why it makes a statement at all, Dan?

will you also check out the hook while the DJ revolves 'em?

Shakedown is a good idea yeah, though she doesn't have the voice it still might work.

see, my problem w/Madonna of late--and Ronan is probably saying this as well, but it sorta reads like he's not--is that she's entered mid-'70s Roger Daltrey territory voice-wise. she's "Learned to Sing" and sounds like she's trying to belt out grand opera or something--"look how thick and elongated and robust my notes are!" (even when they're, you know, fed through the autotuner or whatever.) and in the meantime her music gets less and less interesting and/or relevant.

I agree. I have posted a couple of times about this issue, and Madonna is one of the worst offenders in terms of singers who lose a lot of their charm once they learned how to sing "properly". I think with Madonna her enunciation might be a problem too, she over enunciates a lot of words now while in the past it was much more natural.

It would be interesting to hear what Dan Perry has to say about this.

OK, well, I'm very pro- vocal training. It helps you learn how to do stuff with your voice, how to manipulate it instead of letting its limitations control you. See, Madonna now has the option of either being a one-dimensional nasal pop singer or being a "vocalist" with depth, color, and range, whereas before she only had the first choice. I love Maddy's voice now, and I think she always did have good instincts.

Whether or not you're "ruined" by voice training has to do with your own creativity and your awareness of your abilities. Vocal coaches don't deliberately try to turn you into Celine Dion, unless you wanna sound that way and you start affecting those diva-isms yourself. It's your voice. They just teach you how to breathe right and support your notes and expand your range and work on your tone and ultimately be conscious of how all those sounds get made.

So it's still her fault, but now we're blaming conscious choice instead of vocal tweaking? I can live with that.

I think I explained the statement I saw in the video pretty well before, but the short version; she's talking about how the American Dream has failed her and the closest she's found to what was promised to her was in falling in love. Doing this in the military getup is a subtle dig at using war as a solution to your problems. Doing this in front of an ever-shifting montage of flags suggests that the emotions she's describing are universal and that the people of the world have more in common than is normally acknowledged (particularly in times of war, to go back to her slammin' outfit).

Having said all that, I'm not sure the video will stand up to repeated viewings at all; it's too static.

but what is with the awe of madonna? why would anyone give a shit? i cant anything about madonna that doesnt inspire derision in me. if you went through this thread and replaced 'madonna' with 'kylie', these some of these putative collaborations sound well good...

It would have been better if she'd replaced it with "My name is Madonna and I'm here to say..."