yay!
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 December 2021 14:34 (two years ago) link
“tea for one”? are you shitting me
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 December 2021 14:35 (two years ago) link
people who hate “tea for one” should have their opinions removed
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 December 2021 14:36 (two years ago) link
Presence is such a weird one for me. Asides from Nobody's Fault and Achilles I honestly can't remember what any of these songs sound like, and I've listened to this album hundreds of times. I know one of them has the "co-ca-co-ca-cocaine" chorus, but with a gun to my head I couldn't tell you which one. I remember like Royal Orleans a lot as a kid, but again, I could not hum it to you now for the life of me. And the slow one is just interminable. DON'T DO DRUGS, KIDS. Out Door is a better album.
― Enjoy the brighter sounds of Analog on CD (stevie), Thursday, 2 December 2021 14:46 (two years ago) link
^ low grade challops
― calstars, Thursday, 2 December 2021 14:47 (two years ago) link
I often have trouble remembering the other tracks not "Hots On for Nowhere," "Tea For One," and "Achilles..." So I suppose ITTOD is the superior album. Which shows how meaningless memory is.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 December 2021 14:48 (two years ago) link
"Tea For One" has a great intro and then collapses into a low-grade revamp of "Since I've Been Loving You". As a song and a sentiment of despair it might be fine, as a performance it is a real let-down.
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 2 December 2021 15:26 (two years ago) link
Needs more bass drum pedal squeak.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 2 December 2021 15:28 (two years ago) link
...plus they're ripping off Irving Berlin.
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 2 December 2021 15:30 (two years ago) link
They improve on "Since..." imo.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 December 2021 15:37 (two years ago) link
Not hard to do imo
― Enjoy the brighter sounds of Analog on CD (stevie), Thursday, 2 December 2021 15:40 (two years ago) link
And I don't know if I agree - Since has peaks that are sort of worth the ascent, the misery of Tea For One just sort of pools in an ungainly fashion, meant only for wallowing
― Enjoy the brighter sounds of Analog on CD (stevie), Thursday, 2 December 2021 15:41 (two years ago) link
Our Marcello wrote one of the sharper reappraisals.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 December 2021 15:47 (two years ago) link
I like "Presence," but I feel like it should have been named "More!" Like, you spend all your time with Led Zeppelin, all those great songs that you've heard so many times in so many places, and then you hit a lull, take a breather, and bam - but wait, there's "More!" Like an entire album of deep cuts, for the real heads.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 December 2021 15:52 (two years ago) link
Correction, he didn't write "Tea For Two"! I meant Randy California.
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 2 December 2021 15:53 (two years ago) link
Presence ...an entire album of deep cuts, for the real heads.
I met a woman who had all the Zeppelin CDs except for this. When I said, "Oh, you don't have Presence, she hadn't even heard of it.
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 2 December 2021 16:11 (two years ago) link
Like an entire album of deep cuts, for the real heads.
This is such a '76 thing: you could say the same about The Royal Scam, Tejas, or Black and Blue.
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 2 December 2021 16:16 (two years ago) link
xp
Why "Presence" figures so largely in my Zeppelin love is because I found out about it after I was sure that I had purchased their entire catalogue, including Coda. I was a kid who obsessed over Zeppelin, so when I stumbled across it in a music store, i thought it was some type of obscene joke.― J. Grizzle (trainsmoke), Wednesday, August 9, 2006
― J. Grizzle (trainsmoke), Wednesday, August 9, 2006
― Kim Kimberly, Thursday, 2 December 2021 16:17 (two years ago) link
Marcello's piece is great, and makes me want to listen to all of Presence again, when usually I oly want to hear Achilles and Fault
― Enjoy the brighter sounds of Analog on CD (stevie), Thursday, 2 December 2021 16:18 (two years ago) link
yes on "The Lemon Song."
Crazy talk! Zep at its most fonky.
― dinnerboat, Thursday, 2 December 2021 16:23 (two years ago) link
The first time I really heard LZ (other than classic rock radio in the car) was when my friend gave me a tape with "IV" on one side and "Presence" on the other, I had no real frame of reference for the band or even an idea of when the albums came out or what the album covers looked like, I probably owned like ten cassettes total at that point, so to me "Presence" was always just a LZ record and I loved it.
Obv as an adult I'm like "what a weird entry point" and I understand why it doesn't have the same standing in their catalog as other records, but deep down to me it is an unimpeachable classic.
― chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 2 December 2021 16:34 (two years ago) link
The long-gone online reviewer Capn Marvel had one of my all-time favourite lines in his review of Presence:
these guys were trying to keep afloat amidst punk rock? They sound like they all weigh 400 pounds and eat gold dubloons for breakfast.
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 2 December 2021 18:44 (two years ago) link
that's praise, right?
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 December 2021 19:04 (two years ago) link
man, "walter's walk" is what you put on when you wanna hear how mean that band could be but not be reminded of shitty classic rock radio… and I think "Hot's on" and "royal Orleans" are where you hear how much they liked the Meters…
― veronica moser, Thursday, 2 December 2021 19:47 (two years ago) link
Jeez, CapnMarvel, that’s a name I haven’t heard in 20 years. He was great!
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 2 December 2021 20:33 (two years ago) link
Could have put this on the obituary thread but fuck giving this repulsive creep any kind of respect.
https://www.express.co.uk/celebrity-news/1530552/Richard-Cole-dead-death-Led-Zeppelin-tour-manager-Robert-Plant-instagram-tribute-news
― When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Thursday, 2 December 2021 21:34 (two years ago) link
His own Zeppelin book is one of the most repulsive things I've ever read. I don't think I got more than a quarter of the way in.
― Enjoy the brighter sounds of Analog on CD (stevie), Friday, 3 December 2021 09:50 (two years ago) link
Speaking of, new bio out.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 December 2021 10:34 (two years ago) link
Calling that an "obituary" is giving it a bit too much credit. It's roughly two sentences on the man's life followed by this:
_sha_nizzle typed: “Very sorry to read this..
“May he rest in peace.”
groupieplant added: “It can't be!
“I do not believe."
_bella_jenn_ said: “Condolences for your loss. R.I.P. Richard”
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 3 December 2021 13:04 (two years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/o2LxA5w.jpgAlways blastin’ HotH
― calstars, Saturday, 4 December 2021 19:56 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVWmI69wu44
― Thus Sang Freud, Friday, 27 May 2022 14:24 (two years ago) link
facial hair experiment phase
― calstars, Friday, 27 May 2022 15:09 (two years ago) link
https://www.loudersound.com/news/led-zeppelin-fans-are-losing-their-minds-over-this-new-footage-of-a-legendary-1970-gig
― Thus Sang Freud, Friday, 27 May 2022 16:29 (two years ago) link
first I've heard of the 'becoming LZ' documentary
― calstars, Friday, 27 May 2022 17:21 (two years ago) link
It's a shame they didn't stick with the Cavalier and Master Dahlia Gardener look. I hope Page is wearing rain boots.
― bendy, Sunday, 29 May 2022 20:16 (two years ago) link
“Just goin out in mah wellies for a wee bit of tendin’ to the old flower patch it is, then playing with the band around 1700”
― calstars, Sunday, 29 May 2022 20:23 (two years ago) link
I read that Page somehow never saw Hendrix perform live. Part of me thinks that’s plausible — certain things just never aligned schedule/timing-wise — and part of me thinks that, with his arrogance, Page purposely avoided the guitarist that shocked and stunned all of his contemporaries into reevaluating their approaches.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 29 May 2022 20:36 (two years ago) link
Between the radio and being a professional musician I imagine it was impossible for page to avoid hearing Hendrix in the late 60s
― calstars, Sunday, 29 May 2022 20:44 (two years ago) link
Oh, I’m sure Page heard Hendrix on records and/or radio. But all of his musician peers (not limited to guitarists) saw him live. I can easily imagine Page wanting to sidestep an (ahem) experience so overwhelming as to make him possibly question his abilities.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 29 May 2022 21:52 (two years ago) link
Lemmy used to claim that early Hendrix UK shows were performed with a foot of water in front of the stage because all the preeminent guitar players came down to see him and cried through the whole set knowing they'd never be that good.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 29 May 2022 22:02 (two years ago) link
i was never a fan but i like the yardbirds alot!
― xzanfar, Sunday, 29 May 2022 22:37 (two years ago) link
A guitarist friend once commented to me that Page didn’t sound like he had any idea what he was going to play would sound like. And notwithstanding all the session work Page did (in which there was likely very little improvisation), I am inclined to agree. It’s been a while since I played it but you can’t listen to something like that solo in “Heartbreaker” and hear it as anything other than Page kind of fumbling his way from one series of licks and hand motions to the next. It gets by on sheer energy and has some charm but it almost falls apart about 5 times and at no point does Page sound even close to as in control as most of his contemporaries. Incredible producer and songwriter. Innovator and iconic rock star. But pretty overrated as a soloist.
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 06:19 (two years ago) link
Yes and no... in live recordings, he sometimes sounds downright hamfisted. And yet, in the studio, he was often an absolute master of the form. His solos for songs like "Good Times, Bad Times", "Whole Lotta Love", "Black Dog" and "Stairway" certainly don't lack virtuosity or excitement.
― Vast Halo, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 08:37 (two years ago) link
Yeah come on, there are plenty of concise, well-crafted guitar melodies there, e.g. "Thank You", "Tangerine", "The Rover".
Youtube comments definitely show that a lot of people hear the "Heartbreaker" solo as something other than what you described btw! The second part, after the rhythm section joins, sounds like pretty tight blues-rock playing to me. The first unaccompanied section mostly sounds like it's about relative levels of space and activity - like Eliot Fisk, he sounds like he's pushing his technique past the point where he has total control in order to prioritize the level of intensity he's going for, which I kind of appreciate.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 31 May 2022 11:38 (two years ago) link
That's also what a lot of the live playing seems like to me.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 31 May 2022 11:39 (two years ago) link
I think the thing I would say about Page is that he is an extremely _sloppy_ player. And quite honestly, I don't think in this he's particularly different than Hendrix could be. You hear Hendrix at an event like... well, you can talk about the Winter Festival for Peace, or the notorious Scene Club '68 performance, but even something like Woodstock - Woodstock was an _extremely_ uneven gig for him. There were spontaneous moments of absolute brilliance and transcendence, like Villanova Junction, but there was also a lot of mediocrity packed into that set. I think that when you're constantly pushing yourself to the limit of what's possible, what happens is that you do wind up failing catastrophically, a lot of the time.
Also both of them were constantly high as fuck, which made it hard for them to perform consistently.
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 31 May 2022 14:27 (two years ago) link
"I’m not a guitarist as far as a technician goes, I just pick it up and play it. Technique doesn’t come into it. "https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/the-durable-led-zeppelin-36209/
"Failing catastrophically a lot of the time" is an overstatement though imo (wrt both Page and Hendrix).
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 31 May 2022 14:42 (two years ago) link
xp It's been a while since I've read up on Hendrix, but IIRC what was expected of him (like long and over-the-top jams) was a bit frustrating - like he didn't feel the need to do that all the time, but later on he did more of that knowing that's what a lot of concert-goers wanted to see, and he didn't think it made his concert performances all that consistent. I think breaking in new groups (Woodstock, New Year's at the Fillmore) probably contributed to the unevenness of those sets too, and it's implied Hendrix was fully aware this - it's a new group, he's consciously trying new things, it's not going to be an immaculate concert performance.
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 14:46 (two years ago) link
That's interesting - he felt commercial/social pressure to play long instrumental improvisations instead of shorter songs?
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 31 May 2022 14:49 (two years ago) link
I guess it would depend on what you think their intentions were.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 31 May 2022 14:50 (two years ago) link