Post a controversial music opinion

not wanting to shit up the proper topic with my rants and raves
― get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Sunday, January 16, 2022 10:36 AM

Oh, I thought this thread was the "proper topic".

...and you were apologizing in advance.

These satellite radio stations focused on 80s music have seemingly decided that hair metal will be included in the canon, but there’s no room for the likes of the Pixies or Janes Addiction. I’d be fine with never hearing Perry Farrell sing again and I also give a hard pass to most of Frank Black’s solo work but it would seem like a cosmic injustice for Winger to live on in the culture long after Gouge Away has passed.

I think they segregate that stuff in “1st Wave”

i wish i was trolling. it's something he said in the pre-internet era in a program that i saw on late night 90s tv, either on public broadcasting or cable.
the doc was about the evolution of music in the wake of punk, was originally from the early 90s, and he was brought in as an important figure because of his main man involvement with lollpalooza. that's all i can remember. it would be very convenient for me to just look it up if i could remember what it was. but i can't because it was something i saw one time, ever. i certainly have no reason to make things up, as they're a terrible band of idiots that makes terribly idiotic music either way.

kind of like the elvis costello being racist thing. he's apologized and backtracked ever since, but to me that's a stink that never wears off. that his music is also quite odorous is just a happy coincidence for me.

(perry's comments re: hiphop were nowhere near as egregious as elvis' drunken outburst, but the fact still remains they both made regrettable comments that line up nicely with my dislike of their music)

xp fgti I mostly agree with you re: Frank Black, though I think his lyrical semi-shark-jump came on Bossanova when he started jettisoning the gothic surrealist imagery and fixating on UFOs/Roswell/Area 51, partially embracing a kind of "Weird-with-a-capital-W" 50s B-movie aesthetic that was nowhere near as cool as what he was doing before. Despite this, I still love Trompe Le Monde deeply, and his whole thing didn't really start to fall apart for me til the first solo album. "Subbacultcha" was actually one of his earliest songs; it was on their original Purple Tape demo but didn't make it onto Come on Pilgrim.

This is interesting, and otm re: "UFOs/Roswell/Area 51". I love Trompe Le Monde and enjoy lots of Frank's solo music! I don't think I can really demarcate when he's being "sinister surreal" and when he's being "goofy surreal" but there's a big difference how I feel about it. The best theoretical analogy I can think of would be if Lynch made "On The Air" and then made that the tone of all his subsequent work

I do think that, sometimes. "Dead" + "Gouge Away" = "Hallelujah"?

You said Cohen, not me! I probably was being hyperbolic re Joni though. But like I don't speak Spanish and I know what Frank is singing bc I looked it up when I was young and I have spent many nights thinking about the "if man is 5" verse.

"if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullshit."

This is a good quote and probably applies!

I don't really carry the same animosity toward many of these musicians, I think I'm probably allergic to Mike Patton maybe but I love Ipecac so

You said Cohen, not me!

I know; I meant that I do think "Frank Black, lyricist". I just liked that they also wrote songs about David/Bathsheba and Samson/Delilah, both referenced in "Hallelujah". Their takes obv different, bring out more of the crazed lust and violence, but I think they were p clever in their own way.

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0150922/?ref_=m_ttep_ep_ep10

it's on youtube in an edited down form that glosses over the hiphop part (and subsequently cuts out the offending portion), but this is it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MfObML5emk

Not arguing that he's a poet on Cohen's level tbc xp

Frank Black's best album, solo or Pixie-lated, is the '93 eponymous one. Fact.

Ohhh I thought you were taking the piss xp

I don't agree with Alfred but that first solo record is really good.

But I also have about equal tolerance for all Pixies records

well, there's yer problem right there! yer listenin` to crap records, son!

top five worst pixies songs?

i revisited doolittle for the first time in years recently and it's still one of my favorite rock records ever

to get back to controversial opinions, pixies are wild, messy, and interesting, but that never really resulted in any albums that i really like to listen to front-to-back

doolittle is the closest but the second side is still a big step down from the first - "hey", "no. 13 baby" and "gouge away" are all fanastic but "mr. grieves", "crackity jones" and "there goes my gun" are all only fine and "la la love you" and "silver" (sorry kim but it's pretty far from your best) really shouldn't have made the album at all.

like i'm sure that's all part of the appeal for a lot of people but not for me

I could have written the exact same thing about Doolittle, except I'd also put "Crackity Jones" on the discard pile. Haven't heard Bossanova, and the other two records have some great stuff and some that's forgettable.

My unpopular opinion is that "Here Comes Your Man' is the worst song on Doolittle, possibly in the Pixies' catalog. "La la Love You" and "Silver" are good. Frank Black's first solo album is really good.

side a of doolittle is so stacked it's insane

Otm

I love "Silver," but I'm a Kim freak. It sounds so lonely and desolate, but it drags so much at the end of the album or in the context of Doolittle at all. If it had been released as a b-side it would be seen as a hidden gem.

if there’s no “mr grieves” on doolittle then there’s no tv on the radio cover, and that would be a shame

also the album would need a new name

keeping in mind his oft professed love of Trembling Blue Stars, some of Austin's recent posts itt are kind of amusing. I'm reminded of a Joe Cornish interview from years ago where he was saying he doesn't like any rock music except the Bluetones.

don't see what's controversial about liking r&b more than rock anyhow.

I'll listen to The Field Mice/Northern Picture Library/Trembling Blue Stars over The Pixies/The Breeders/Frank Black.

Mr Grieves and Crackity Jones are good

Frank Black's 2nd solo album is better than the 1st one

It astonishes me that a band as dull as the goddamn Pixies can still provoke this kind of discussion.

My controversial opinion of the morning: King Crimson's 1972-74 lineup started great and diminished as members left; Red (the album) is a letdown after the heights scaled on Larks' Tongues in Aspic and especially Starless and Bible Black, and "Red" the song is...just okay, not some towering riff-masterpiece as many claim.

Do you think that they got weaker because Muir and Cross left? I think Red benefits from the horn and woodwind players they brought in. Larks is a good album but it has more in common than usually acknowledged with the looseness of Islands.

Few albums coast on their closing track like Red do

*does

Yeah, KC were definitely way better after Muir & Cross left. Cross's violin lines on LTiA and S&BB are just weedy and Muir's percussive freakouts add little.

I'd take "Fallen Angel" over "The Night Watch", and "One More Red Nightmare" over "The Great Deceiver", but not by much.

Yeah, KC were definitely way better after Muir & Cross left. Cross's violin lines on LTiA and S&BB are just weedy and Muir's percussive freakouts add little.

Completely disagree with this. I definitely hear the connective threads between Islands and Larks, though. All the albums between Court and Larks (yes, even Earthbound now that it's been expanded) are well worth hearing and stand up well.

Just one?

the foo fighters really reached a new level of musicality in the 2010s

doolittle is the closest but the second side is still a big step down from the first - "hey", "no. 13 baby" and "gouge away" are all fanastic but "mr. grieves", "crackity jones" and "there goes my gun" are all only fine and "la la love you" and "silver" (sorry kim but it's pretty far from your best) really shouldn't have made the album at all

Otm….this is where Pixies are QUIRKY rather than engaging ly offbeat

Red probably my favourite KC album.

jeez this went from "post a controp" to "discuss shitty inexplicably canonized music" real fast.

leo kottke is a better guitarist than robert fripp.

Lol, praising the guitar chops of Leo Kottke is truly where controversy resides.

just trying to get things back on track.

"Crackity Jones" might be my favorite pixies track, though the version I prefer by far is the one off the "Death to the Pixies" live disc:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fUTzBbF69k

So much energy in a 1:35 track!

trying to work out whether austin is really good or really bad at this thread

also amazing live versions of Rock Music, Broken Face and Something Against You from that same live album, far superior to the studio versions in my controversial music opinion

just trying to get things back on track.

OK but unperson's KC opinion actually was controversial, which is why discussion resulted. "Leo Kottke > Robert Fripp" is just a pointless apples and oranges. They're both highly accomplished and well-respected guitarists who do entirely different things.

trying to work out whether austin is really good or really bad at this thread

― imago, Tuesday, January 18, 2022 9:14 AM

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sund4r i counter that king crimson's discography is pointless. now what?

it seems completely obvious that side b of doolittle (except hey and gouge away) is markedly inferior, the controp would be that side b is in the same ballpark of quality yeah

side b is my favorite part of doolittle

side b has "no. 13 baby" ffs

anyway i'll stop posting completely uncontroversial opinions

also austin if you post controversial opinions about shitty canonized music you get discussion about shitty canonized music