Spotify - anyone heard of it?

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that came off really dickish

beard papa, Monday, 21 February 2022 20:10 (two years ago) link

Oh, if I'm the one you're saying came off as dickish, I apologize! I should have replied less tersely. I share your enthusiasm for fixing these, and sometimes do it myself because I have the power, even though it isn't actually my job. We do have a team whose job it *is* to fix them, and I reported this. I won't fix it myself because I'm not sure whether it will be moved or taken down. There used to be a menu option for reporting errors in the desktop app, but it wasn't included in the recent rearchitecture for reasons I'm not sure of.

glenn mcdonald, Monday, 21 February 2022 21:22 (two years ago) link

Glenn, I did not find your reply dickish - I was talking to Boring, Maryland. Sorry for the confusion, I hope it didn't cause you any bad feelings. You've been great on this whole thread and your site is awesome - I'm a big fan!

As for the comment I was replying to; maybe I'm sensitive, but I get a little riled when someone refers to my "bosses" - especially when expressing frustration/ranting whatever. Just feel like people could be nicer to Glenn here. He doesn't owe anything to anybody here.

beard papa, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 06:43 (two years ago) link

Oh, FWIW I didn't take any offense at that. It should be easier to report problems. Probably. Problem-reporting also gets abused, sadly. I read "your bosses" as "your company's priority-setters", not "your personal puppet-masters".

Also, I've been here a lot longer than I've been at Spotify, so I know what to expect. But thanks!

glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 12:11 (two years ago) link

There used to be a form on the Spotify website to report incorrect track names etc. I reported several such errors. None of them ever got fixed.

joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Tuesday, 22 February 2022 12:19 (two years ago) link

Same.

Alba, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 12:53 (two years ago) link

Worth noting that track-name errors come from, and have to be fixed by, the original distributor, while artist-ambiguity/grouping errors can be fixed directly by us at Spotify...

glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 14:32 (two years ago) link

glenn any reason why the music industry doesn’t just standardise on MusicBrainz? it something similar? wouldn’t unique IDs be good??

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 14:37 (two years ago) link

I definitely can't answer on behalf of the industry. A central authoritative source of definitive IDs seems like an abstract good, but doesn't actually solve a lot of the practical problems. I mean, we have unique Spotify IDs already, so if that were all it took, all industry artist-ambiguity problems would be outside of Spotify. Hold on, I'm just enjoying that idea for a moment. OK, I'm back.

glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 16:32 (two years ago) link

It’s an incredibly hard problem, because there isn’t really an objective source of truth - even for something as simple as “artist name” you get down to what was printed on a given sleeve, and those have sometimes differed even for the same work.

It’s also hard to model flexibly enough to cope with what artists will come up with next. Like most naive models would have a 1:1 mapping between performer and title, but to fully specify it out you need an performer-name-track-title-releasedate relationship because the name a given performer gets given has varied by all those things over time (and more).

But a modelling that flexible is waaaay over-engineered for most purposes so services have much simpler models and that involves making trade-offs to fit the real world into their models; and they often do them in ways that are incompatible with one another.

Hence the misery of trying to standardise. For a long time the BBC had an entire internal fork of MusicBrainz to try and deal with the mismatches between their playout systems and MB; I’m not sure that’s still maintained though.

stet, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 18:22 (two years ago) link

There needs to be a UN agency.

Alba, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 18:24 (two years ago) link

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Solaris Ocean Blue (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 February 2022 18:25 (two years ago) link

Grapefruit Records picked the last couple of weeks to start advertising a Spotify playlist.
Does that just mean political apathy.

& did anybody take to boycotting Neil young cos he loudly flounced off Spotify and advertised a move to Amazon which is hardly the most ethical of companies. Wonder what the end of the pandemic is going to mean re the popularity of that firm. Is it going to gain negativity now its no longer as needed for things to be as easy.

Stevolende, Saturday, 5 March 2022 11:02 (two years ago) link

163k outages reported

pickle loaf (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 18:37 (two years ago) link

seems to be down for all

pickle loaf (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 18:40 (two years ago) link

yep

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 18:44 (two years ago) link

What happened

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 18:45 (two years ago) link

the Pono was a distributed hacking device all along

pickle loaf (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 18:46 (two years ago) link

russian hackers

stirmonster, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 18:47 (two years ago) link

Discord too, apparently.

Mardi Gras Mambo Sun (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 18:47 (two years ago) link

Music brands · Trending
Spotify
1.1M Tweets

!!!

stirmonster, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 18:48 (two years ago) link

russian hackers trying to keep Joe Rogan's Real News from us

pickle loaf (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 18:48 (two years ago) link

Worked for me just now.

Mardi Gras Mambo Sun (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 19:04 (two years ago) link

yes, that didn't last long

pickle loaf (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 20:48 (two years ago) link

Yeah, that was weird. It was asking me to fiddle with my firewall in order to log in.

Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Tuesday, 8 March 2022 20:58 (two years ago) link

Wonder what the end of the pandemic is going to mean re the popularity of that firm. Is it going to gain negativity now its no longer as needed for things to be as easy.

has this been scheduled now?

bad luck banging, or Lorna Doone (sic), Thursday, 10 March 2022 18:17 (two years ago) link

Has the search function stopped working for anyone else?

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Friday, 11 March 2022 14:18 (two years ago) link

Working for me

Vinnie, Friday, 11 March 2022 14:26 (two years ago) link

the Barcelona soccer team got 89 BILLION streams in one day!!!

beepy fridges (sic), Thursday, 17 March 2022 03:37 (two years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/iUinCLL.jpg

beepy fridges (sic), Thursday, 17 March 2022 03:54 (two years ago) link

According to ChartMasters, the most cumulative streams ever recorded by a single artist on Spotify is Drake with 62.84 billion.

beepy fridges (sic), Thursday, 17 March 2022 04:17 (two years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/fg4h07C.jpg

beepy fridges (sic), Thursday, 17 March 2022 05:05 (two years ago) link

However, of these streams, 17.57 billion were from tracks on which Drake was merely a featured artist (and therefore, wouldn’t have claimed the majority of the royalties).

beepy fridges (sic), Thursday, 17 March 2022 07:19 (two years ago) link

stars aligning for that Shakira comeback

celebrating ten years of constant posting (breastcrawl), Thursday, 17 March 2022 09:04 (two years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/ttp1XTe.jpg

beepy fridges (sic), Thursday, 17 March 2022 15:13 (two years ago) link

Clint's doing decent on pretty much every platform lately, I believe?

anatol_merklich, Friday, 18 March 2022 00:18 (two years ago) link

$310 million decent?

beepy fridges (sic), Friday, 18 March 2022 00:54 (two years ago) link

I remember when a child used to have a multimedia vertical experience on a single platform about a man kicking a ball outside

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Friday, 18 March 2022 14:12 (two years ago) link

$310 million decent?

no I dunno maybe m$i0opnutll 3.2 fourteen? I just liked that an old Poppies picture turned up. The posting of that seemed devoid of any point, and so was my reply.

anatol_merklich, Friday, 18 March 2022 23:13 (two years ago) link

there is a very subtle connection between the pictures I posted and the text I posted

beepy fridges (sic), Saturday, 19 March 2022 07:28 (two years ago) link

eg

On tracks on which Drake was the lead artist, he has to date pulled in 45.27 billion streams on Spotify. And these streams, at that average per-stream rate ($0.00348), would have generated around $157 million.

beepy fridges (sic), Saturday, 19 March 2022 07:29 (two years ago) link

Um, so, has anyone else got this thing (I'm on the Windows client) where it says "PUBLIC PLAYLIST" above the title when selecting any playlist, even if it was made with the "Make new playlists public" option off? I notice that a Spotify representative claims on the community forum that they'd never make such bulk changes, but in that case they have a pretty bad display bug.

anatol_merklich, Tuesday, 29 March 2022 18:06 (two years ago) link

The terminology changed. There didn't used to be any real access control on playlists, just whether they were listed on your profile (which was called "public") or not (which was called "private"). Recently we added actual privacy, which prevents people from seeing your playlist even if they have a link to it. So that's what's now called "private", and "public" means that someone with the link can see it. Whether it's shown on your profile or not is now separate. A bit confusing as a shift in naming, but a better feature now...

glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 29 March 2022 20:04 (two years ago) link

Ah. Thanks. The realities make good sense, but it seems to me the terminology may be unfortunate, due to the earlier use of the word "public" for what you describe as "listed on your profile", and the word itself has a force of "completely open" to me. Three levels could have been made less confusing by calling them e.g. private / linkable / public, or something.

What is the term for the former "public" ones, those that are now shown on the profile, btw? And is this group of playlists exactly the same as those that are searchable by title, and/or those that turn up as "Discovered on" in artist pages?

anatol_merklich, Tuesday, 29 March 2022 20:40 (two years ago) link

And, not least: how to make new playlists truly private by default?

anatol_merklich, Tuesday, 29 March 2022 20:42 (two years ago) link

There's not a default-private setting yet.

To be searchable or show up in Discovered On, a playlist has to be shown on your profile (and thus has to be public), and have at least 2 listeners over some amount of time I don't remember, and sometimes it takes more than that for complicated reasons.

The new wording for the old function is "Add to profile" / "Remove from profile".

glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 30 March 2022 00:08 (two years ago) link

Thanks again for clear (and reassuring) replies, it is very much appreciated.

anatol_merklich, Wednesday, 30 March 2022 05:39 (two years ago) link

Want to not ever see podcasts again in the desktop app, or customize in other ways?

https://github.com/spicetify/

DJI, Monday, 4 April 2022 18:06 (two years ago) link

Hallelujah!

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Tuesday, 5 April 2022 01:42 (two years ago) link

Was looking forward all day to listen to Hejira until I remembered :(

groovemaaan, Tuesday, 12 April 2022 03:36 (two years ago) link


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