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Yeah so people are always like "OMG the sound of an orchestra tuning up, so romantic!" and I grew up playing in orchestras, and it's just a fucking orchestra tuning up.
Maybe as a cellist SOTL are just too close to that for me.

Their first(?) album as I recall had a bit more grit to it. After that everything I've heard is pleasant at best.

I could see calling all ambient music boring, but I feel like even within the boringness of ambient, SotL's boringness stands out.

Watched Walk Hard last night, thanks for the recommendation. It walks the line (see what I did there?) between really dumb and really fun.

I love SotL and think y'all are fools.

Well that's not nice

Oh well! I'll take "enjoys simple-minded emotionally manipulative ambient music" over "nice" any day.

Take extra care with strangers
Even flowers have their dangers
And though scary is exciting
Nice is different than "enjoys simple-minded emotionally manipulative ambient music"

Lindsay Buckingham is (at best) the 4th best songwriter of Fleetwood Mac.

SoTL is such an easy target, and their approach also does not represent the variety of different types of music classified as ambient.

Lindsay Buckingham is (at best) the 4th best songwriter of Fleetwood Mac.

― move over GAPDY, now there's BIG THIEF! (PBKR), S

yeah, this, lol. I realized years ago he's an excellent melodist who has occasionally brought his shit together enough to match his wizardly production gifts.

I don't know who PBKR would put in the third slot, but I'd say that Danny Kirwan vies with Nicks as the most consistent songwriter Fleetwood Mac ever had. Bob Welch on Mystery to Me and Buckingham on Tusk put more good songs on a single album than Kirwan and Nicks ever did, though.

Consistent without mentioning Christine McVie?

otm about Kirwan

Uh, Peter Green?

Consistency is easy with fewer albums.

Consistent without mentioning Christine McVie?

I find about half of her stuff from Future Games to Tango dull.

Uh, Peter Green?

Never heard the albums pre-Then Play Long, some good singles obviously.

Not to be pedantic, but dullness is a species of consistency.

OK, consistently good.

the best talk talk album is the party’s over

I don't know who PBKR would put in the third slot, but I'd say that Danny Kirwan vies with Nicks as the most consistent songwriter Fleetwood Mac ever had. Bob Welch on Mystery to Me and Buckingham on Tusk put more good songs on a single album than Kirwan and Nicks ever did, though.

― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, March 12, 2022 10:12 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

There is a reason her name is Christine Perfect:

C. McVie
Nicks
Kirwan and/or Welch
Buckingham, maybe

This is like a HOF discussion in baseball - are we talking peak achievements, counting stats, etc. I think McVie gets both, though peak achievement might be Kirwan's songs on Future Games and Bare Trees.

And she's a helluva singer

But I adore Stevie. She brought something quite new: this fusion of Joplin and Jim Morrison and witchery.

Greatest FM vocal performance: Mick Fleetwood as Mrs. Scarrott on "Thoughts on a Grey Day".

As for The Party's Over, it's really underrated and one of the best records in its genre.

I have a couple!

The second Specials album is better than the first and the third one kicks major ass

I like later era post Silent is Sexu Neubautin better than the earlier stuff!

The best Nine Inch Nails albums, in order, are:

disc 1 of The Fragile
With Teeth
Year Zero
Pretty Hate Machine
The Downward Spiral

Yeah, no problem with that

my favorite is hesitation marks :)

With Teeth deserves high billing for the bookends alone

Hesitation Marks
The Slip
the three recent EPs back to back to back
With Teeth (this one grew on me; I hated it for a while)
The Downward Spiral
The Fragile
Ghosts I-IV
Pretty Hate Machine
Year Zero

contra op the nin albums have aged terribly and hes become a supremely boring totally uninspired film composer

The only NIN thing I liked was when he came out at the first Lollapalooza gig, threw a fit about the sound and stormed off without playing a note.

xpost Sorry I can't hear you over the sound of a lonesome piano in a vast room.

(I do like the guy and his work but...he does have his tropes.)

The second Specials album is better than the first and the third one kicks major ass

The first part of this statement at least isn’t controversial at all, according to this thread:
”The Specials" Vs. "More Specials"

This Marcello Carlin quote (from 2006) about sums it up:

Essentially what we're saying is that The Specials was their Dissensus album and More Specials their ILM album.

Sugar >> Hüsker Dü

Bob Mould's first solo albums>>>>>>>Sugar

His film scores and ambient records are very much "music to study to" type of stuff, but once in a while I like putting one on while I vacuum

Workbook > Sugar > most Husker > rest of Bob solo

There are classics and duds in each of these phases but I am comfortable with that overall order

There is something appealing about Pomplamoose.

Do tell.

The Ant Rap is actually a punk song

If by being punk you mean being obnoxious and subversive just because you can, then yes absolutely.

Maybe more silly than controversial BUT—

If there's such a thing as "dadrock" then surely there's also such a thing as "dadsoul."

Determining who qualifies is where the controversy arises.

I think you mean “unclesoul”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69ptYXvUo7M

Scat singing: never good, always entertaining.

I think I first saw this on ilm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY7LHziBDcI

Two of my favorites!

I normally resist the urge to post “canonical thing actually sucks” in this thread, but:

While it’s always still great to hear the Ronettes etc., the least great thing about it these days is the Spector sound. That wall o’ sound is not really standing strong… in fact, the production can sound like muddy shit. Maybe it was made very specifically for transistor radio speakers, I dunno.

"Wall of Sound" sounds great in mono on an old boombox with the treble cranked. Otherwise, I just kind of accept it as a "technology of the time" fidelity issue like I would early jazz or folk music. Maybe it would have aged better if something something recording technology . . . ?

But yeah: big agree here. I grew tired of it years ago and haven't sought out listening to any of that stuff for even longer.

Might be a better way of phrasing it is that, say, Shadow Morton is underrated in comparison to Spector.