do they have anything new to say?
― is he disgruntled adrian? (voodoo chili), Friday, 1 December 2023 20:14 (ten months ago) link
Probably very little. Louder than War isn't on my wavelength with that list.
― djmartian, Friday, 1 December 2023 20:18 (ten months ago) link
I had no idea Gorillaz released an album this year huh
― octobeard, Friday, 1 December 2023 20:37 (ten months ago) link
have any of the lists had fire-toolz or katie dey on them? please wake me up when it is so
― imago, Friday, 1 December 2023 20:40 (ten months ago) link
or hell, is Big Billy Woods making any hay
― imago, Friday, 1 December 2023 20:42 (ten months ago) link
or hopefully-ILX-champ Tirzah
god these lists are all such fucking trash
― imago, Friday, 1 December 2023 20:43 (ten months ago) link
billy woods (and armand hammer) made the gorilla vs bear list. tirzah too, i think
― is he disgruntled adrian? (voodoo chili), Friday, 1 December 2023 20:44 (ten months ago) link
all these lists except gvb are all such fucking trash
― imago, Friday, 1 December 2023 20:46 (ten months ago) link
rolling stone songs list: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/best-songs-of-2023-1234879541
― is he disgruntled adrian? (voodoo chili), Friday, 1 December 2023 20:55 (ten months ago) link
not great or anything, but i do appreciate rolling stone for being the only mainstream list to give latin artists the time of day
even just keeping it to pop...jim legxacy, katie gately, hannah diamond, l'rain, anjimile, algiers, alice longyu gao, salvia, ly trang, marina herlop, rxk nephew, hemlocke springs, diana starshine...and those are just the ones I like...there is greatness everywhere and these publications couldn't give a shit, it's fucking foul
― imago, Friday, 1 December 2023 20:57 (ten months ago) link
hemlocke springs is in the rolling stone list haha, but yes, these names are criminally underrepresented. i think gvb is the only one so far to rank jim legxcy
― is he disgruntled adrian? (voodoo chili), Friday, 1 December 2023 20:58 (ten months ago) link
Never heard of most of the music on the Louder Than War list, but this blurb is an all-time say-nothing champion:
Almost 35 years in, Therapy? have produced an album that surely qualifies as one of their best in a while. There have been ups and downs throughout yet Cairns, McKeegan, and Cooper have pulled off a fine example of anthemic tunes that will leave you wanting more.
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Friday, 1 December 2023 21:05 (ten months ago) link
"surely qualifies as one of their best in a while" should never publish.
― alpine static, Friday, 1 December 2023 21:14 (ten months ago) link
also, absolutely embarrassing posts by Austin
― is he disgruntled adrian? (voodoo chili), Friday, December 1, 2023 2:55 PM (twenty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Always more country than most other lists, too. They try their best to capture the zeitgeist, I guess.
― Indexed, Friday, 1 December 2023 21:19 (ten months ago) link
I always forget that Therapy? aren’t a numetal band (#millenial)
― brimstead, Friday, 1 December 2023 21:22 (ten months ago) link
Out of morbid curiosity I listened to as much of that Therapy? album as I could take — two and a half songs. It's worse than the new Helmet album, which I had to listen to all the way through to review for The Wire.
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Friday, 1 December 2023 22:01 (ten months ago) link
hmm... are you guys sure you actually love music?
― corrs unplugged, Friday, 1 December 2023 22:26 (ten months ago) link
was surprised to see the Jam City place so high on the Gorilla Vs Bear list, but then remembered that i didn’t listen to anything else for a few weeks this summer— perfect record in certain ways
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Friday, 1 December 2023 22:47 (ten months ago) link
how is anybody supposed to read the GvB list ... fuck the internet tbh
― budo jeru, Friday, 1 December 2023 22:52 (ten months ago) link
what's the issue supposed to be
― ufo, Friday, 1 December 2023 23:16 (ten months ago) link
gvb list is more interesting cos it's the work of one person who seems to have a fairly wide (and for better or worse sophisticated) taste and who listens to a lot of obscurities. would still probably rather cut to the chase and see ufo's or vc's personal lists. ah well, not long
― imago, Friday, 1 December 2023 23:26 (ten months ago) link
one person who should absolutely post here, why don't they post here
― imago, Friday, 1 December 2023 23:27 (ten months ago) link
Esquire and exclaim! Also have songs lists already.
Here’s the aggregate for songs
https://www.albumoftheyear.org/songs/best/2023/ Hope it works if not add / at the end
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 1 December 2023 23:57 (ten months ago) link
imago- probs because of people like me. oops.
(you are very otm tho- these lists have become the antithesis of what they're supposed to be for)
also, absolutely embarrassing posts by Austin― alpine static, Friday, December 1, 2023 1:14 PM
― alpine static, Friday, December 1, 2023 1:14 PM
i'm wondering how many fp i got for that one. not my intention, honestly. just venting. don't mean to upset anyone, but also very militant about how trash some music is. i can't even wrap my head around giving sufjan fucking stevens the time of day in 2023. that's far more embarrassing than any opinion some loser on the internet is posting. i do love music, that's why my patience is so short.
and i will say no more on the matter.
― "another slice of death, please." (Austin), Saturday, 2 December 2023 00:36 (ten months ago) link
always enjoy an austin vent whether i agree or not - fuck the pile on, you keep doing you imo
― blazin' squab (NickB), Saturday, 2 December 2023 00:45 (ten months ago) link
i'm probably the board's biggest sufjan fan and i don't really give a shit if you dislike him but if you're going to be a hater at least be a hater about something real instead of this 'people only like him because he's white' bullshit
― ufo, Saturday, 2 December 2023 01:42 (ten months ago) link
That's my problem as well, it's how it was stated. I do want to now hear it and I haven't heard a song since probably around that state album
― Bee OK, Saturday, 2 December 2023 01:53 (ten months ago) link
continue staying level headed, bro👊🏻
― "another slice of death, please." (Austin), Saturday, 2 December 2023 01:57 (ten months ago) link
xp it's a tremendous album, his very best in his singer-songwriter mode (but age of adz is still better of course). if you haven't kept up with him you are missing out
― ufo, Saturday, 2 December 2023 02:00 (ten months ago) link
Love you Austin, your one of the best
― Bee OK, Saturday, 2 December 2023 02:03 (ten months ago) link
“but it's about time for ol' suffy to get a career ending critical beatdown imo”
Magical thinking here that artist who is learning how to walk again releases album dedicated to recently deceased partner is going to attract critical vultures
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Saturday, 2 December 2023 02:52 (ten months ago) link
this is his first big critical success in 8 years too, it's not like everything he's done has been critically beloved. before this one i was wondering if he was falling off a bit, but he's still got it and is almost better than ever
― ufo, Saturday, 2 December 2023 03:06 (ten months ago) link
ROLLING STONE’S 50 BEST SONGS OF 2023
01 Peso Pluma and Eslabon Armado, ‘Ella Baila Sola’02 PinkPantheress feat. Ice Spice, ‘Boy’s a Liar, Pt. 2’03 Lana Del Rey, ‘A&W’04 Zach Bryan feat. Kacey Musgraves, ‘I Remember Everything’05 Shakira and Bizarrap, ‘Bzrp Music Sessions, Vol. 53’06 NewJeans, ‘Super Shy’07 Olivia Rodrigo, ‘Get Him Back!’08 Lil Yachty, ‘Strike (Holster)’09 Billie Eilish, ‘What Was I Made For?’10 Victoria Monét, ‘On My Mama’11 The Beatles, ‘Now and Then’12 Miley Cyrus, ‘Flowers’13 Boygenius, ‘Not Strong Enough’14 Mannequin Pussy, ‘I Got Heaven’15 Latto feat. Cardi B, ‘Put It on Da Floor Again’16 SZA feat. Doja Cat, ‘Kill Bill (Remix)’17 Davido feat. Musa Keys and Latto, ‘Unavailable’18 Chappell Roan, ‘Red Wine Supernova’19 Taylor Swift, ‘Is It Over Now?’20 Kylie Minogue, ‘Padam Padam’21 Grupo Frontera and Bad Bunny, ‘un x100to’22 Megan Moroney, ‘Sleep on My Side’23 Sexyy Red, ‘Skeeyee’24 Paramore, ‘This Is Why’25 Doja Cat, ‘Paint the Town Red’26 Carly Rae Jepsen, ‘Shy Boy’27 MJ Lenderman, ‘Knockin’28 Karol G and Shakira, ‘TQG’29 Omar Apollo, ‘3 Boys’30 Luke Combs, ‘Fast Car’31 Reneé Rapp feat. Coco Jones, ‘Tummy Hurts (Remix)’32 Rosalía and Ruaw Alejandro, ‘Vampiros’33 Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit, ‘Cast Iron Skillet’34 Quavo feat. Takeoff, ‘Patty Cake’35 Big Thief, ‘Vampire Empire’36 Dua Lipa, ‘Houdini’37 Skrillex, Fred again.., and Flowdan, ‘Rumble’38 Ayra Starr, ‘Sability’39 Beyoncé, ‘Cuff It (Wetter Remix)’40 Central Cee and Dave, ‘Sprinter’41 Indigo De Souza, ‘Smog’42 Margo Price, ‘County Road’43 Young Thug feat. Drake, ‘Oh U Went’44 The Beths, ‘Watching the Credits’45 Baby Keem and Kendrick Lamar, ‘The Hillbillies’46 Allison Russell, ‘The Returner’47 Seventeen, ‘Super’48 BLP Kosher and BabyTron, ‘Mazel Tron’49 Katie Von Schleicher, ‘Cranked’50 Stormzy feat. Fredo, ‘Toxic Trait’
― Bee OK, Saturday, 2 December 2023 04:38 (ten months ago) link
GORILLA VS. BEAR’S TOP 55 ALBUMS OF 2023
01. Nourished by Time – Erotic Probiotic 202. ML Buch – Suntub03. billy woods + Kenny Segal – Maps04. Laura Groves – Radio Red05. Helena Deland – Goodnight Summerland06. André 3000 – New Blue Sun07. Meagre Martin – Gut Punch08. Jam City – Jam City Presents EFM09. Sofia Kourtesis – Madres10. Being Dead – When Horses Would Run11. JPEGMAFIA x Danny Brown – Scaring The Hoes12. Olivia Rodrigo – Guts13. Tirzah – trip9love…???14. Jessy Lanza – Love Hallucination15. NewJeans – Get Up16. Niecy Blues – Exit Simulation17. bar italia – Tracey Denim & The Twits18. Lana Del Rey – Did you know that there’s a tunnel under Ocean Blvd19. Avalon Emerson – & the Charm20. Tujiko Noriko – Crépuscule I & II21. Marina Zispin – Life and Death – The Five Chandeliers of the Funereal Exorcisms22. Rainy Miller x Space Afrika – A Grisaille Wedding23. Armand Hammer – We Buy Diabetic Test Strips24. Laurel Halo – Atlas25. Jim Legxacy – hnpm26. Mandaworld – For Emotional Use Only27. Voice Actor – Fake Sleep28. Julie Byrne – The Greater Wings29. King Krule – Space Heavy30. Jess Williamson – Time Ain’t Accidental31. Carlene – Looking Out My Window32. Oliver Coates – Aftersun OST33. Jouska – Suddenly My Mind is Blank34. Oneohtrix Point Never – Again35. Jonnine – Maritz36. Lisel – Patterns For Auto-Tuned Voices And Delay37. Patten – Mirage FM38. Joanne Robertson – Blue Car39. Fever Ray – Radical Romantics40. Isola – LP141. Sun June – Bad Dream Jaguar42. John Glacier x Surf Gang – JGSG43. Caroline Polachek – Desire, I Want to Turn Into You44. Buzzy Lee – Internal Affairs45. Andrea – Due in Color46. a.s.o. – a.s.o.47. Soccer Committee – ❤️ / Lamb48. Shabazz Palaces – Robed in Rareness49. Freak Heat Waves – Mondo Tempo50. Joanna Sternberg – I’ve Got Me51. Chuquimamani-Condori – DJ E52. Abbey Blackwell – My Maze53. Sufjan Stevens – Javelin54. NOIA – gisela55 TDJ – SPF INFINI 3
― Bee OK, Saturday, 2 December 2023 04:42 (ten months ago) link
Rolling Stone’s Top 50 Albums of 2023
01. SZA – SOS02. boygenius – the record03. Tainy – DATA04. Lil Yachty – Let’s Start Here.05. Olivia Rodrigo – GUTS06. Paramore – This Is Why07. Mitski – The Land Is Inhospitable and So Are We08. billy woods & Kenny Segal – Maps09. Victoria Monét – JAGUAR II10. Zach Bryan – Zach Bryan11. Blondshell – Blondshell12. Chappell Roan – The Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess13. Noname – Sundial14. KAROL G – MAÑANA SERÁ BONITO15. Sufjan Stevens – Javelin16. Becky G – ESQUINAS17. ANOHNI and the Johnsons – My Back Was A Bridge For You To Cross18. Jessie Ware – That! Feels Good!19. JPEGMAFIA & Danny Brown – SCARING THE HOES20. Janelle Monáe – The Age of Pleasure21. Lana Del Rey – Did you know that there’s a tunnel under Ocean Blvd22. Young Nudy – Gumbo23. Christine and the Queens – PARANOÏA, ANGELS, TRUE LOVE24. Kesha – Gag Order25. Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit – Weathervanes26. Amaarae – Fountain Baby27. Wednesday – Rat Saw God28. Caroline Polachek – Desire, I Want To Turn Into You29. Kali Uchis – Red Moon In Venus30. Miley Cyrus – Endless Summer Vacation31. Model/Actriz – Dogsbody32. Bad Bunny – nadie sabe lo que va a pasar mañana33. NewJeans – Get Up34. Troye Sivan – Something To Give Each Other35. Drake – For All The Dogs36. Water From Your Eyes – Everyone’s Crushed37. Asake – Work Of Art38. KAYTRAMINÉ – KAYTRAMINÉ39. Veeze – Ganger40. Kara Jackson – Why Does the Earth Give Us People to Love?41. U.S. Girls – Bless This Mess42. Samory-I – Strength43. Megan Moroney – LUCKY44. Jenny Lewis – Joy’all45. Kylie Minogue – Tension46. Everything But the Girl – Fuse47. L’Rain – I Killed Your Dog48. Gunna – a Gift & a Curse49. Yo La Tengo – This Stupid World50. Dominic Fike – Sunburn
― Bee OK, Saturday, 2 December 2023 04:44 (ten months ago) link
I know all those have been posted before but I wanted to make it a bit easier to see.
― Bee OK, Saturday, 2 December 2023 04:45 (ten months ago) link
Rolling Stone:
65 The Rolling Stones, ‘Hackney Diamonds’
83 The Rolling Stones feat. Lady Gaga and Stevie Wonder, ‘Sweet Sounds of Heaven’
actually sort of sad that the album didn't make it higher.
― Bee OK, Saturday, 2 December 2023 04:51 (ten months ago) link
― djmartian rocks
Thanks for keeping us updated!
― Bee OK, Saturday, 2 December 2023 05:02 (ten months ago) link
Yeah going after Sufjan considering the relentlessly tough year he’s had seems like a particularly low and ill-considered blow. You don’t need to like dude’s music, but maybe find some other way to spend your time than needlessly tearing people down online.
― Skrot Montague, Saturday, 2 December 2023 05:46 (ten months ago) link
lol that was literally the first post i've ever made about him
― "another slice of death, please." (Austin), Saturday, 2 December 2023 06:04 (ten months ago) link
Not sure how that’s relevant. Why spend any time at all writing that type of post in the first place?
― Skrot Montague, Saturday, 2 December 2023 06:24 (ten months ago) link
Tu estas oyendo pwso pluma? Bajale poquito me despertastes
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 2 December 2023 08:23 (ten months ago) link
Re: Sufjan, I have empathy for his personal circumstances. But no one is owed niceness or silence around art that they put into the world— perhaps the emphasis could have been on why some of us don’t care for his music rather than off-kilter (and arguably offensive) taunts, but I really want to push back against the idea that art about an artist’s personal tragedy should be cordoned off from criticism. In a similar vein, art about an artist’s personal tragedy isn’t automatically worthy of praise! I haven’t listened to the new Sufjan and won’t, as I have never liked anything he has ever done and don’t really see that changing. I hope he recovers and is able to find peace through music and whatever means he finds fit. I just don’t want to listen to it.
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Saturday, 2 December 2023 12:26 (ten months ago) link
celebrity boxing match: sufjan v peso FITE
winner gets aoty
― "another slice of death, please." (Austin), Saturday, 2 December 2023 12:29 (ten months ago) link
actually a mortal kombat style fighting tournament might be the way to finally get rid of these lists and really put the substance of the music properly on the back burner.
― "another slice of death, please." (Austin), Saturday, 2 December 2023 12:33 (ten months ago) link
"Artist x would not be successful if they weren't white" is an intrinsically unknowable statement, every white artist benefits from white privilege that's how it works, but I think has been a more valid point of discussion regarding white artists working in majorly Afro-American genres. Within a genre like indie I don't think it can mean anything beyond "I don't think this is very good".
― Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 2 December 2023 13:09 (ten months ago) link
the only privilege I'm seeing in these lists is American privilege (with a side-order of British, fine)
― imago, Saturday, 2 December 2023 13:20 (ten months ago) link