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Ummagumma when they hit on a kind of "fake avant-garde" thing is actually pretty good, mainly because they clearly had no idea what they were supposed to be doing. I agree with Nick that "Meddle" is decent too, not too much dull white blues workouts or "authentic" pie chewing vocals by Gilmour either (eugh). The "Wall" tracks with the maxed out folkie/self pitying bastard sound are quite amusing (not the mysogynist stadium blues work-outs tho, obviously). And the spacerock Syd bits with AMM influenced guitar work are nice. The rest is stodgy and rubbish.

― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Thursday, 18 January 2007 21:12 (eighteen years ago)

I don't know what I was on about back there.

― Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 18 January 2007 22:52 (eighteen years ago)

I need some more support for The Wall and Animals here. I feel a lack. I mean Meddle is awesome but so is a lot of their stuff!!!

― Surmounter (rra123), Thursday, 18 January 2007 22:54 (eighteen years ago)

I remember everyone seconding The Wall as "Greatest Album You'll Never Listen To Again" on a past thread.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 18 January 2007 22:57 (eighteen years ago)

obscured by clouds kicks ass too.

― chaki (chaki), Thursday, 18 January 2007 23:03 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I haven't really enjoyed The Wall since I was 14, and I doubt I ever will again - a few good cuts though.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 18 January 2007 23:09 (eighteen years ago)

i do love obscured by clouds.

OMG really?? i can totally stick in the wall right now - in fact i think i will. hold on.

okay here we go. see i like this.

haha, is that empirical evidence or WHAT??

i love the synth nostalgia thing they go for with the slow numbers. nice sheen to it.

― Surmounter (rra123), Thursday, 18 January 2007 23:20 (eighteen years ago)

Wish You Were Here I need to get on CD - i only have the tape. or maybe i don't even anymore. i love the shine on your crazy diamonds. synths like that would play in my dreams, if i dreamt of synths.

― Surmounter (rra123), Thursday, 18 January 2007 23:22 (eighteen years ago)

*you

― Surmounter (rra123), Thursday, 18 January 2007 23:24 (eighteen years ago)

I've been raiding the PF bootleg archive sites again now that folks are coordinated enough to fill in missing tracks and fix recording speed problems. Bottom line: you can't go wrong AT ALL with any decent quality live gig from 1970 - 1975. My fave recording at the moment is an early 1973 show with an astonishingly great live version of "Obscured By Clouds" where Wright flips out on the Moog for 10 minutes.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 18 January 2007 23:41 (eighteen years ago)

so like.. have you guys heard those unofficial "Trance Remixes" that show up everywhere? Are they good?

http://www.pf-roio.de/roio/trance_remixes.html

― chaki (chaki), Thursday, 18 January 2007 23:45 (eighteen years ago)

See Emily Play is without a doubt the best single ever made.

― MRZBW (MRZBW), Thursday, 18 January 2007 23:46 (eighteen years ago)

so good!

― Surmounter (rra123), Thursday, 18 January 2007 23:52 (eighteen years ago)

I go the Nick Wright book about (the) Floyd for Xmas. It's good. A classic band for all the right reasons.

the thing about The Wall is that Roger was just trying to hard and no one was there to keep him in line. If he hadn't gone Andrew Lloyd Webber, it could have stood the test of time.

And I kind of realized that I still love "Comfortably Numb." Remarkably so.

― don weiner (don weiner), Friday, 19 January 2007 00:38 (eighteen years ago)

i know the andrew lloyd webber is kinda funny though

comfortably numb was such a favorite of mine back when - i need to listen again

seems kinda sappy and heavy now, but i haven't listened in too long

― Surmounter (rra123), Friday, 19 January 2007 01:10 (eighteen years ago)

just like to add that 'A Momentary Lapse Of Reason' is, bar none, the worst album I have ever heard

― the sorrow, the sorrow (Haberdager), Friday, 19 January 2007 01:11 (eighteen years ago)

"numb" is kind of heavy, plodding, and sappy. But I think that's Roger's (and maybe Ezrin's) influence on what otherwise is a pretty great track. If you watched them do it on Live 8, it still resonated pretty well.

― don weiner (don weiner), Friday, 19 January 2007 01:27 (eighteen years ago)

"Another Brick Pt. 1" was the first thing I played on my new stereo. It fucking ruled. This, however,

mysogynist stadium blues work-outs

Is so so true. Those songs just suck more every year, and the weirdly filtered misogyny becomes more and more obvious.

― sleeve version 2.0 (sleeve testing), Friday, 19 January 2007 01:40 (eighteen years ago)

And I kind of realized that I still love "Comfortably Numb." Remarkably so.

Waters's bits = ugh. Gilmour's = holy hell. Eldritch's cover = amusing.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 January 2007 02:06 (eighteen years ago)

The Wall is the best-produced album of all time!

"Look mummy, there's an aeroplane up in the sky!"
"Time to go!"
"Well, only about an hour of daylight left. We'd better get started."
"You! Yes you behind the bikesheds! Stand still, laddy!"
"What are you watching? Hello? Are you feeling OK?"

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 19 January 2007 03:17 (eighteen years ago)

hahaha i love the "what are you watching? hello? ... "
love that voice

― Surmounter (rra123), Friday, 19 January 2007 03:43 (eighteen years ago)

The Gilmour years are sort of uninspired, "Ummagumma" and "Atom Heart Mother" are just too weird, and "The Final Cut" is just plain boring.

Other than those exceptions, classic all the way!

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 19 January 2007 03:53 (eighteen years ago)

there never does seem to be enough love/respect for Animals. best fucking record they ever put out it was.

― AaronK (AaronK), Friday, 19 January 2007 04:36 (eighteen years ago)

Please school me on this, but weren't the "mysognnist stadium blues work-outs" supposed to be sort of stadium band parody songs?

I never listen to those songs as Pink Floyd songs, but rather as songs that Pink's band would play.

― Zachary Scott (Zach S), Friday, 19 January 2007 04:48 (eighteen years ago)

GET ONE POMPEII DVD: MIND = BLOWN

PS WHAT INDIE ROCK HAS TO SAY ABOUT FLOYD IS ABOUT AS IMPORTANT AS WHAT A DOUBLE AA RELIEVER HAS TO SAY ABOUT NOLAN RYAN, THX

― Death Mask (deathmask), Friday, 19 January 2007 05:13 (eighteen years ago)

GET ONE POMPEII DVD: MIND = BLOWN

I haven't seen it in over ten years but I distinctly remember that version of "One of These Days" being a fucking monster.

― rock and roll for the rock and roll soul (nate_patrin), Friday, 19 January 2007 05:24 (eighteen years ago)

ECHOES ON NIGHT FLIGHT

― Tim Ellison = NUMBER ONE ADVOCATE OF YOU-KNOW-WHAT ON NU-ILX!!! (Tim Ellison), Friday, 19 January 2007 05:33 (eighteen years ago)

pink floyds's folk collection that never made it:

green is the color
cymbaline
a pillow of winds
fearless
if
summer 68
fat old sun
the narrow way , pt.3
the gold its in the...
wot's oh... the deal
stay
free four
burning bridges
*paintbox (closer the psych period but still underrated...)

― maggot (maggot), Friday, 19 January 2007 12:37 (eighteen years ago)

I love "Free Four"

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 19 January 2007 13:00 (eighteen years ago)

OMG, "What are you watching? Hello? Are you feeling OK?" still freaks me the fuck out. The whole loose concept album thing really works, and these little dialogue cut scenes grind up the tension.

Biggest disparity between what I liked when I was 14 and what I like now from The Wall = that final track (The Trial?) which at the time was clever and cool and deep and now is all the bad things that people say about the Wall in general.

synths like that would play in my dreams

AT the start of Crazy Diamond? I think i read somewhere that it's fingers run along the edge of wine glasses dubbed over on top of themselves a zillion times rather than synths, which is both barmy and v. cool.

― Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Friday, 19 January 2007 13:19 (eighteen years ago)

"The Gilmour years" ???

― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 19 January 2007 13:54 (eighteen years ago)

I think he was just listing the Floyd stuff he wasn't so keen on, i.e. the Gilmour years, the "too weird" albums, and The Final Cut.

Ah well...I don't think Comstock will need to make an appearance on this thread...

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 19 January 2007 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

Ah, OK, read that as the years after Gilmour joined (ie all of them save those couple), not the years he was leading the band.

― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 19 January 2007 14:35 (eighteen years ago)

GET ONE POMPEII DVD: MIND = BLOWN

Yeah, I was lucky enough to see this right around the time I got into the band, courtesy of the girl I was crazy over in high school being a big fan (when you're friends with an absolutely beautiful Italian immigrant, you can best damn well guess you start picking up on things she likes really quickly...). I need to finally get the DVD of this.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 January 2007 14:37 (eighteen years ago)

I like Pink Floyd a lot (up till but not including "Dark Side") but, to be honest, when I first heard Can I just thought, "Well, who needs that plodding one-paced shite anymore?"

― Tom D. (Dada), Friday, 19 January 2007 14:41 (eighteen years ago)

THAT'S NO WAY TO TALK ABOUT JACKIEY LIEBEZEIT!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 19 January 2007 14:45 (eighteen years ago)

see i thought Animals DID get a lot of respect.

I could never call Atom Heart Mother too weird. The first track is like baroque classical rock and then you have Summer '68 and If, which is just good songwriting. Fat Old Sun and then all the found sound... I mean I guess listening to a guy talk about eating marmalade is weird but others have definitely trumped that in terms of the too weird status.

― Surmounter (rra123), Friday, 19 January 2007 14:46 (eighteen years ago)

So basically most people are saying Nick Mason was really the weak link.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 January 2007 14:46 (eighteen years ago)

... him and Waters, yes - what a dynamic rhythm section!

If, which is just good songwriting

Which is just shite shongwriting, shurely?

― Tom D. (Dada), Friday, 19 January 2007 14:48 (eighteen years ago)

summer '68 and If are both really easy, engaging melodies

― Surmounter (rra123), Friday, 19 January 2007 14:49 (eighteen years ago)

"Summer '68" is great, "If" is cack

― Tom D. (Dada), Friday, 19 January 2007 14:49 (eighteen years ago)

summer '68 is surely beyond great

― Surmounter (rra123), Friday, 19 January 2007 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

easily one of my favorite floyd tracks

― Surmounter (rra123), Friday, 19 January 2007 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

That's Rick Wright for ya!

― Tom D. (Dada), Friday, 19 January 2007 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

Animals DID get a lot of respect. That Eric Burdon was some chanter.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 19 January 2007 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

Jeez, how disappointed was I when i actually heard "Animals" for the first time?

― Tom D. (Dada), Friday, 19 January 2007 14:52 (eighteen years ago)

really?? interesting (rick wright)

― Surmounter (rra123), Friday, 19 January 2007 14:53 (eighteen years ago)

i couldn't have felt more differently when i heard it

― Surmounter (rra123), Friday, 19 January 2007 14:53 (eighteen years ago)

I think we should agree to differ, I just don't like the Roger Plod Plod Whinge Whinge Waters Fascist Dictatorship Pink Floyd Years

― Tom D. (Dada), Friday, 19 January 2007 14:55 (eighteen years ago)

see i don't really get that from Animals. i mean i get that from The Wall more. from animals i get a lush, sprawling, texturized thing

― Surmounter (rra123), Friday, 19 January 2007 14:56 (eighteen years ago)

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