Let us go then, you and I/When the evening is spread out against the sky/Like a tight end playing in the Super Bowl -- The Tortured Poets Department, Taylor Swift, April 19

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As Chris Molanphy noted elsewhere, Taylor's now the first four-time album of the year Grammy winner. Let's see if this eventually makes it five...

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 February 2024 04:38 (nine months ago) link

re: the terrible album title, her ex's group chat name was apparently The Tortured Man Club

Murgatroid, Monday, 5 February 2024 04:48 (nine months ago) link

lol at the one announced track title (a bonus track) being “The Manuscript”

Tim F, Monday, 5 February 2024 05:48 (nine months ago) link

So that's what's going to save America from Trump

Nabozo, Monday, 5 February 2024 12:42 (nine months ago) link

I like the name of the album.

treeship., Monday, 5 February 2024 12:52 (nine months ago) link

somewhere, Jewel is weeping

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 5 February 2024 13:26 (nine months ago) link

Dead Poets Society ref, one presumes? Sorry if I am the last person in the universe to get that joke

Virginia Wolfman (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 5 February 2024 13:43 (nine months ago) link

Her longest album title to date was Taylor Swift.

Indexed, Monday, 5 February 2024 15:37 (nine months ago) link

The Yeah, I Showed Up at Your Poetry Open Mic Chapter

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Monday, 5 February 2024 15:48 (nine months ago) link

she must've seen all the long titles in the top 77 this year

soup of magpies (geoffreyess), Monday, 5 February 2024 17:42 (nine months ago) link

heh

Indexed, Monday, 5 February 2024 22:50 (nine months ago) link

Oh my god you thought the ALBUM TITLE was bad.

The song title list is terrifying.

Tim F, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 01:48 (nine months ago) link

we need a poll of the song titles stat

Murgatroid, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 01:53 (nine months ago) link

SIDE A:

Fortnight (ft. Post Malone)
The Tortured Poets Department
My Boy Only Breaks His Favourite Toys
Down Bad

SIDE B:

So Long, London
But Daddy, I Love Him
Fresh Out The Slammer
Florida!!! (ft. Florence + the Machine)

SIDE C:

Guilty as Sin?
Who’s Afraid of Little Old Me?
I Can Fix Him (No Really I Can)
loml

SIDE D:

I Can Do It With A Broken Heart
The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived
The Alchemy
Clara Bow
Bonus Track: The Manuscript

Tim F, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 01:54 (nine months ago) link

it lost me with “ft. Post Malone”

atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 01:55 (nine months ago) link

just thankful it wasn't "Fortnite (ft. Post Malone)"

never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 01:57 (nine months ago) link

I did worry that is what it was at first

Tim F, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 01:58 (nine months ago) link

“reputation, but even more embarrassing”

seriously can’t wait

Murgatroid, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 02:00 (nine months ago) link

absolute value of om

soup of magpies (geoffreyess), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 02:01 (nine months ago) link

lotta ppl learning about the original it girl tonight

https://i.ibb.co/zS1NSnn/Screenshot-20240205-201252-Chrome.jpg

jaymc, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 02:19 (nine months ago) link

I feel like she's truly jumped the shark, last night felt like a heel turn, but I guess we'll see...

(all I know is - I live in a very Taylor-unfriendly household, and I couldn't muster up the gumption to rep for her even feebly right now)

atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 02:28 (nine months ago) link

Oh do not ask, “What is it?’

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 02:33 (nine months ago) link

"My Boy Only Breaks His Favourite Toys"
"But Daddy, I Love Him"
"The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived"
"Who’s Afraid of Little Old Me?"

are you fucking kidding me

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 02:39 (nine months ago) link

How you could list those but not "Fresh Out the Slammer"...

Tim F, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 02:41 (nine months ago) link

because that one didn't have some reference to being smol

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 02:42 (nine months ago) link

"Fresh Out the Slammer" sounds like early Paramore title.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 02:42 (nine months ago) link

...or Sublime.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 02:50 (nine months ago) link

the song titles are a headfake to make people miss the evil messages of violence that each song will contain

never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 02:52 (nine months ago) link

Amnesty International Presents

underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 03:00 (nine months ago) link

SIDE A:

Fortnight (ft. Post Malone)
The Tortured Poets Department
My Boy Only Breaks His Favourite Toys
Down Bad

SIDE B:

So Long, London
But Daddy, I Love Him
Fresh Out The Slammer
Florida!!! (ft. Florence + the Machine)

SIDE C:

Guilty as Sin?
Who’s Afraid of Little Old Me?
I Can Fix Him (No Really I Can)
loml

SIDE D:

I Can Do It With A Broken Heart
The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived
The Alchemy
Clara Bow
Bonus Track: The Manuscript

― Tim F, Monday, February 5, 2024 7:54 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

I 100% unironically believed this entire list was inspired parody

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 03:12 (nine months ago) link

April Fools

atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 03:15 (nine months ago) link

Are we sure this isn't coming out on April 1st.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 03:17 (nine months ago) link

hoping The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived is a Dr Demento-esque novelty track

never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 03:19 (nine months ago) link

"Iommi" is the Black Sabbath tribute Swifties had no idea they deserved.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 03:21 (nine months ago) link

What is this that stands before me?
Figure in black which points at me
Turn 'round quick and start to run
Find out I'm the chosen one
Hell, yeah!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 03:25 (nine months ago) link

Some people say my love can it be true
Happiness is your eyes when I'm kissing you

never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 03:26 (nine months ago) link

lmao

i don't know what she's going for but i'm glad she's going for something at least

ufo, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 04:24 (nine months ago) link

But Daddy I Love Him is now trending on Twitter

never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 04:25 (nine months ago) link

The Smallest Hands Who Ever Lived

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 04:27 (nine months ago) link

deluxe version comes with a pop-up book featuring Travis Kelce

super deluxe same but uncensored pop-up

never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 04:28 (nine months ago) link

Clara Bowling Alley

Virginia Wolfman (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 04:29 (nine months ago) link

When you hear an Iommi song
I hope you spill your favorite bong

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 04:34 (nine months ago) link

hoping The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived is a Dr Demento-esque novelty track

It'll be a parody of Weezer's The Greatest Man Who Ever Lived.

MarkoP, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 04:49 (nine months ago) link

At least there are no football metaphors, like "Blocked Kick" or "Touchback" or something.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 04:56 (nine months ago) link

is it just a coincidence that she’s dropping her album on Bicycle Day?

JoeStork, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 04:59 (nine months ago) link

If I could successfully seed this theory on the Swiftie forums Taylor could make Timothy Leary a footnote in history.

JoeStork, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 05:08 (nine months ago) link

Swifties on acid is exactly what 2024 needs, stat.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 05:14 (nine months ago) link

You belong with LSD

Virginia Wolfman (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 12:40 (nine months ago) link

If the Chiefs win the Super Bowl maybe she can call in some favors and do a new version of the "Super Bowl Shuffle," then add it as a bonus track to the special Target-only LP that has a different color cover.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 13:19 (nine months ago) link

I like it, too. I like guitars.

Indexed, Thursday, 9 May 2024 15:57 (six months ago) link

"How Did It End" is really nice, too... that one must have slipped by in my initial listens (the piano figure isn't much, it sounds almost like a practice exercise; but I like the song built on top of it).

OG Rizzler (morrisp), Thursday, 9 May 2024 16:31 (six months ago) link

Swifties are losing their minds on social media at the changes to the Eras setlist in Paris

Indexed, Thursday, 9 May 2024 20:10 (six months ago) link

didn't need the last 9 words

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Thursday, 9 May 2024 20:16 (six months ago) link

can't believe she isn't doing the title track live

ufo, Thursday, 9 May 2024 22:38 (six months ago) link

otm. to me this is the taylor swift album that deals most directly with illusion and disillusion, it is the great throughline of these songs, applying that perspective not only to her romantic relationships but her career ("clara bow") and her craft ("the manuscript")

― ivy., Thursday, 9 May 2024 14:15 (eight hours ago) link

Relatedly I like how "I Can Do It With A Broken Heart" is such a clear sequel to "Long Story Short" - a deceptively cheerful song which pokes fun at herself including her penchant for melodrama.

"He said he'd love all his life / But that life was too short". Literally and thematically it echoes "And I fell from the pedestal / Right down the rabbit hole / Long story short, it was a bad time": the idea that even Taylor acknowledges that her songwriting could be accused of belaboring every point.

This would be less obvious on "I Can Do It..." if the song wasn't placed immediately after "loml" ("You said I'm the love of your life / About a million times"); the abruptness with which she now cuts to the point mocking every other extended examination of the same situation.

Also: "I cry a lot but I am so productive, it's an art". You can't persuade me that the person who wrote these lyrics doesn't fully understand the double-meaning here.

I kinda disliked the spoken bit at the end, which felt a bit on the nose, until I realised she was saying "Try and come for my job".

Tim F, Thursday, 9 May 2024 22:58 (six months ago) link

i feel like this album has completely dropped out of public consciousness in record time for a Swift release, but maybe I'm just not paying attention anymore.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 9 May 2024 23:19 (six months ago) link

Oh yeah it feels like a million years old because of all the Kendrick stuff

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Friday, 10 May 2024 00:09 (six months ago) link

I was at the 2nd night of the Paris show. My friend is a massive fan and couldn't get tickets in the UK but managed to get two there. I went with her because she thought I would love it, and I would consider myself a fan - not anywhere near on the level of some of us here, but I think she's a good lyricist who makes interesting mistakes and even what I would consider her weaker moments are still interesting to me even if I find myself struggling with them. I think the new album is her best yet, in part because of ivy and Tim F posting here and opening it up, but also I think it's just the most sonically pleasing music she's ever recorded, and I don't hear any of the weird distracting poor cadence moments that plague at least a couple of songs on every album she does. I didn't watch the Eras concert on Disney+ because I didn't want any spoilers for what to expect, but I was really excited for it - a trip overseas, to see the biggest popstar in the world put on a spectacular show, touring their best material.


It was... a bit underwhelming? She started with a Miss Americana & The Heartbreak Prince intro, then into Cruel Summer, and I thought: excellent, this is going to be a lot of fun! But it really lost momentum. It's a 3.5 hr show and it really droops with the Evermore/Folklore section in the middle, which is a huge energy drop. She cuts chunks out of the 1989 material so it's mostly just one verse and one chorus of those songs. Her stage presence isn't great, and I felt like there's a lack of imagination in the staging. There is a part where she changes costume that's meant to be fun and campy, but she just isn't that kind of performer and instead of being playfully kitsch it just feels so awkward and contrived, it actually gave me the motivation to go to the bar at that exact moment. We were standing, maybe 10 rows from the front, and everyone around us lapped it up, to the point where people around us were crying at the end of it. I didn't think it was terrible, but I didn't think it was particularly great. The price of a ticket in France was considerably lower than the price in the UK, and I think I would have been very annoyed if I had paid that much. It didn't amaze me as a spectacle or inspire me to revisit her catalogue. I enjoyed it, but when I've spoken to colleagues and pals who are going to the UK shows later this year I've had to force myself to be a bit more enthusiastic in my thoughts than I'm inclined to be.

I knew the fans would be intense around it, but the performative fandom aspect was unlike anything I've ever experienced before. The idea that I would spend time at home making custom jewelery to swap with strangers is bizarre, but people all around me were doing this with their friendship bracelets. Twenty-five years ago I guess I would have been a "stan" for Garbage, in that I loved them very much and spoke about them all the time to anyone who was remotely into music, I had posters and keyrings and all that stuff too. I get the idea that your love for a band can be very important to your sense of identity. But the scale and intensity of Swifties around me felt almost like a cult.

boxedjoy, Monday, 20 May 2024 23:04 (five months ago) link

Yes and you are an unbeliever so time for sacrifice er wait hold on.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 20 May 2024 23:23 (five months ago) link

still haven't watched the eras concert, but taylor swift live hasn't been for me since she started dancing. everything's a little overdetermined

ivy., Monday, 20 May 2024 23:34 (five months ago) link

Three and a half hours is a LOT for any artist.

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 20 May 2024 23:36 (five months ago) link

The middle hour is just beatboxing

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 00:21 (five months ago) link

Seems like she'd suffer a little too by having Paramore opening with a nice, tight Greatest Hits set.

I saw her ages ago, on the Speak Now tour, and thought she was fine and fun but also not somebody I was going to make a lot of effort to see in concert again. It's not her most natural or rewarding milieu imo. Happy to just listen to the albums.

I was about to say - Paramore were FANTASTIC and I say this is as someone who thinks they weren't a good band at all until their fourth album. They did nine songs including a Talking Heads cover, and nothing too rocky/emo which suits my personal tastes although I can appreciate thar was disappointing for others.

Hayley Williams owned the stage in a way Swift didn't. They performed without any props or staging, just the band and their instruments, and some screens showing close-ups of them. Her charisma, energy and personality were off the scale, and i would actively go to see them again, which was not what I expected at all.

boxedjoy, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 00:45 (five months ago) link

I saw Depeche Mode do a 3.5 hr set at the start of the year. I would say I'm much less invested in them as a band than I am Taylor Swift but they were a far stronger live act. Their pacing was stronger, Gahan was lively and likeable, and even their mid-set ballads didn't feel like a slog. I'm not against a long set if it's wholly entertaining for the duration!

boxedjoy, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 00:48 (five months ago) link

still haven't watched the eras concert, but taylor swift live hasn't been for me since she started dancing. everything's a little overdetermined

― ivy., Monday, May 20, 2024 11:34 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

I've seen Taylor play several times - though not since 2015 - and the best remains when she performed in a nightclub here I think immediately before or after Fearlesss was released. She already had a bit of a theatre kid quality but it was very charming and disarming in that context, probably because of (rather than in spite of) the fact that she did not yet have the means to fully realise her visions.

Tim F, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 01:03 (five months ago) link

I saw Depeche Mode do a 3.5 hr set at the start of the year. I would say I'm much less invested in them as a band than I am Taylor Swift but they were a far stronger live act. Their pacing was stronger, Gahan was lively and likeable, and even their mid-set ballads didn't feel like a slog. I'm not against a long set if it's wholly entertaining for the duration!

Someone who's been doing something for 40 years is better at it than someone who's been doing it for 15? Surprising.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 02:51 (five months ago) link

She’ll have this performance thing down by 2050

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 03:31 (five months ago) link

Cool, I can totally imagine me at 81 paying half my remaining life savings to go see 61-year-old Taylor Swift. I didn't have any life goals for if I make it to 2050, now I do.

(If it happens, I'll find this thread and report back.)

Twenty Six Years Pass

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 06:05 (five months ago) link

Paramore being better at it than both didn't take them 40 years

boxedjoy, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 08:16 (five months ago) link

Because Paramore rules, is why.

The time I saw them was at Bonnaroo, and it was the day that news broke about Anthony Bourdain's death. At one point during a breather between two songs, Hayley Williams sat down on the edge of the stage and talked about it and how much she loved Bourdain and how hard mental illness is and gave a sort of pep talk to anyone suffering (pretty sure she included the suicide hotline number). It was really affecting, the whole field of people got quiet and paid attention, and it was just striking the ability she had to talk directly and pull people in just sitting there talking. And then they went back to rocking.

three weeks pass...

If Taylor doesn't write a song called "The Bechtel Test" where she has a coffee with Gabriette and they don't refer to Healy once, she will have let me down, she will have let the community down, and most importantly she will have let herself down.

Tim F, Friday, 14 June 2024 08:07 (five months ago) link

two weeks pass...

forever mad that this album coincided with the inevitable even longed-for second or third wave of taylor swift backlash bc it is so awesome :(

ivy., Wednesday, 3 July 2024 16:05 (four months ago) link

Yeah but that backlash as such is kinda...contextual? It's still the number one album in the country and has been since release, whereas a lot of immediate reviews seemed to be thinking 'bleah, nobody will care after first listen.' Not exactly the case!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 July 2024 16:11 (four months ago) link

There's a fair amount of backlash to the maneuvers to keep it at #1 (over Billie Eilish and Charli XCX)

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Wednesday, 3 July 2024 16:17 (four months ago) link

love how her pro's fastidiousness about extending her metaphors gradually turns "down bad" into an entire straightfaced song about fucking an alien

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 3 July 2024 17:04 (four months ago) link

she works so goddamn hard goddammit. why i'm still like miss me with that please.

he/him hoo-hah (map), Wednesday, 3 July 2024 17:45 (four months ago) link

I am vaguely disappointed that I didn’t get even a slow clap for the above joke

Tim F, Wednesday, 3 July 2024 21:27 (four months ago) link

We are simple people.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 July 2024 21:41 (four months ago) link

lol I just now saw it, so consider it clapped.

I'm going to put this album on right now I think. I haven't circled back to it since the first go-round but I heard "Fortnight" on the radio the other day and it sounded good.

love how her pro's fastidiousness about extending her metaphors gradually turns "down bad" into an entire straightfaced song about fucking an alien

― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 3 July 2024 17:04 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

My favourite thing about her TBH. If she could chill out for even a moment she would make a great meme page administrator..

Tim F, Thursday, 4 July 2024 09:34 (four months ago) link

So my revisiting of this album yesterday was quite pleasant, although as per usual I got bored and turned it off during "Smallest Man in the World" and didn't get to the bonus disc. It's a good record, though.

four weeks pass...

I rather liked this piece, YMMV:

https://variety.com/2024/music/news/taylor-swift-eras-tour-impact-1236089525/

Separately, this was good as well, from a different angle:

https://johnpstrohm.substack.com/p/you-better-believe-im-a-swiftie

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 August 2024 02:01 (three months ago) link

must be someone who found her music unmemorable

PaulTMA, Wednesday, 7 August 2024 21:44 (three months ago) link

aww bollocks -- unmemorable music merits an unmemorable response, hence my posting here. don't like the music? go bowling, no bombing fer cryin out loud!

but for real they're saying it had ties to isis. like, the extremist terrorist organization, not the metal band.

big sigh. correct response to the whole on her+her team's part, but still... what a world, big sigh.

interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Wednesday, 7 August 2024 23:45 (three months ago) link

It already happen at an Ariana Grande concert after all

There’s a Monster in my Vance (President Keyes), Wednesday, 7 August 2024 23:52 (three months ago) link

I guess she’s unmemorable as well

There’s a Monster in my Vance (President Keyes), Wednesday, 7 August 2024 23:53 (three months ago) link


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