The Daevid Allen clip upthread suggests that would not have been a concern of French TV in the 60s.
― The British Boy of Film Classification (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 February 2024 07:36 (seven months ago) link
i love schleep for the funny mental explorations and the love songs. i've been a little obsessed with 'i'm a believer.' i put on schleep once at a bookstore i worked at in an old west tourist town and the owner hated it.
― ꙮ (map), Thursday, 8 February 2024 15:15 (seven months ago) link
listening to Comicopera, now surely his last solo album...what a beautiful album to cap his career.
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 8 February 2024 15:56 (seven months ago) link
Comicopera was my favorite album of 2007; it remains so.
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 February 2024 16:05 (seven months ago) link
The Daevid Allen clip upthread suggests that would not have been a concern of French TV in the 60s.― The British Boy of Film Classification (Tom D.)
― The British Boy of Film Classification (Tom D.)
i'd honestly like to know more about french pop music television in the late 1960s... when i look at clips there are names of all these different shows, "Dim Dam Dom, "Tous En Scene", and then in the 70s you have "RockEnStock" and "Pop 2" and later "Melody" with Genesis and King Crimson... and then late in the decade the main show is "Chorus". all these shows and I can't keep track of them all. They showed a _lot_ of pop music, it seems like, on a _lot_ of different shows. I was looking up Soft Machine clips the other day and somebody mentioned that "Pop 2" was started by someone who'd run one of the earlier shows, but that show was cancelled for political reasons. And in the Anglosphere you just get to see the clips, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, nobody says anything about the shows themselves, their history, what they were _like_... anyway INA preserves them all and has put a lot of them online. Often paywalled but it doesn't stop it from getting out. And in fact the video stuff is far more widely accessible than the French radio stuff. There are lots of French radio broadcasts that are just unknown and unheard in good quality. And yeah, INA does seem to have kept everything, they seem to have a _very_ good archival policy. You can see not just the broadcast sections but unbroadcast rehearsal outtakes, in many cases. Just like in Germany, the Beat Club show would broadcast maybe four minutes of a Dead '72 show but the whole set is on audio, at least, and often the whole set is on video. The archival policy is very, very different to that in the UK, which barely showed anything and immediately wiped it all.
The other thing that I am aware of personally is June of 1968. Which seems to have been a significant event, and I don't know how that affected the music TV shows, but God, it must have, right?
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 8 February 2024 16:14 (seven months ago) link
this one will never not slay me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Huwy0Vq5-Ak
― wang mang band (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 8 February 2024 16:56 (seven months ago) link
Thanks, I relate to all of that, although your experience goes deeper--wish I'd been listening to him at 21!― dow
― dow
ahhh, well, there was a lot i missed out on by spending my late teens and early 20s focused entirely on "classic rock" and "prog rock", but it's good to know i didn't miss everything. wyatt wasn't really "prog rock" or "classic rock", but he was adjacent enough that i heard him relatively early on.
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:18 (seven months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEEX3uRJyo4
I don't think Cuckooland is one of his most loved albums, but I love it. Forest is a powerful Romani holocaust song and has really beautiful lyrics by Alfreda. It makes me well up every time.
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:27 (seven months ago) link
You mean May? Yes, the French are good at archiving stuff (cf. the BBC).
― The British Boy of Film Classification (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:47 (seven months ago) link
Yes, Paris in May, Moon in June
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 8 February 2024 19:32 (seven months ago) link
lI don't think Cuckooland is one of his most loved albums, but I love it. Forest is a powerful Romani holocaust song and has really beautiful lyrics by Alfreda. It makes me well up every time.
― Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 9 February 2024 01:57 (seven months ago) link
― dow, Friday, 9 February 2024 03:36 (seven months ago) link
It doesn't seem like this has been posted before, but I loved it. One hour doc from 1998, Italian made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z5zy6MaFtI
― nickn, Monday, 26 February 2024 07:02 (seven months ago) link
missed this. heartbreaking
Friend of mine managed to end up backstage at a Patti Smith concert (in the Southbank probably?) Verlaine might have been there and Gillespie almost certainly was and various other luminaries. He said everyone there were complete arseholes and then he noticed a guy sitting (he thought) in a corner, pint of beer in one hand and a cigarette in the other, covered in ash. He went over to talk to him and it was Robert Wyatt and he was like, "What do you make of all this?" and he was basically the only genuine person in the room.
^exactly as you would expect
― A street taco cart named Des'ree (Deflatormouse), Monday, 26 February 2024 07:16 (seven months ago) link
Robert Wyatt is the best <3 Wish him all the love
this sux :(
― A street taco cart named Des'ree (Deflatormouse), Monday, 26 February 2024 07:17 (seven months ago) link
Patti Smith, Verlaine weren't genuine enough, or weren't in the room? Oh well.Just came across this pitch to Whiney G., for long-gone Paper Thin Walls, which was text x streaming, quite the thing in '07:
re: mixtape possibilities for year-end special issue coverage Wed, 31 Oct 2007Ends up being surprisingly hard to pick the order of preference. Butin terms of the vibe, the degree to which I think I know how todescribe it adequately(at least as I begin writing this), the musicalexcellence on first listen (the chances of it grabbing the jadedwebears right off, or at least during first listen, cos I doubt mostthings get more than one chance at most, in terms of attention to thewhole playing time), I guess first choice is Robert Wyatt's "Cancionde Julieta." It's built on, travels on an upright bass riff, whichcarefully adjusts itself, then tilts forward, like a rocking horsethat almost gets stuck on a surreal extention of a bent (fifth?) someblues note or I should say blooooues note, groaning a little,deliberately distended, before the last note, before the rocking horsepilgrim tilts back into place. And Wyatt sings the same note, samephrase, much higher like a little old man with a hole in his head andthe air pushing out and in, which is true of course, like a little oldman in a poem or a play, under the radar o trying to be that way, inhis mask (from Comicopera, and Wyatt explains he means it in the veryold school sense, the other side of tragedy, but useful, a workingpiece of uniform), his parody, with the well-timed well-pulled tear inhis blues, giving just enough pause to the listener (and even asympathetic listener can stop listening if the music seems toofamiliar, like this track never does; I keep listening to hear whathappens next, even though I "basically" or schematically know, butit's the feeling of the listening experience that matters here, likeit always should). Also, it's not just a mask etc in the defensivesense, or defensive in the wait for 'em to come at you sense; thelittle old rocking horse rider isn't just finding away to keep hisplace, he's somehow pushing forward, each repetition of the basic riffbrings some other sounds too, which suggest he's breaking intosomething, pushing forward, into wreckage, the hull of a galleon maybe(kind of an underwater moonlit quality). The bass player is also usinghis bow, and overdubbing violins, scrabbling at the push, in thepush.(Wyatt also plays some kind of keyboard, percussion, pockettrumpet, all in the arc and pull and push of the sway of the note)."Un mar de sue-eh-eh, no. Un mar de tierra blanca," so not justaquatic and doesn't just sound aquatic, but like he's entering thewater, rocking back and forth and forward. Sleepwalker? They can do alot. Not exactly sure all I'd say about this, but something wherelisteners might be led toward making their own connections, if theywant, to any possible deeper waters. It's just the damndest track, isall, first listen every listen. When you ask for these, you'll mentionthe need for the artist to answer a few questions, right? I'm littleinsecure about Wyatt doing this, but judging by the amount and varietyand quality of interviews, documentary material etc online, he'sfairly into doing media, or anyway he does it.
Ends up being surprisingly hard to pick the order of preference. Butin terms of the vibe, the degree to which I think I know how todescribe it adequately(at least as I begin writing this), the musicalexcellence on first listen (the chances of it grabbing the jadedwebears right off, or at least during first listen, cos I doubt mostthings get more than one chance at most, in terms of attention to thewhole playing time), I guess first choice is Robert Wyatt's "Cancionde Julieta." It's built on, travels on an upright bass riff, whichcarefully adjusts itself, then tilts forward, like a rocking horsethat almost gets stuck on a surreal extention of a bent (fifth?) someblues note or I should say blooooues note, groaning a little,deliberately distended, before the last note, before the rocking horsepilgrim tilts back into place. And Wyatt sings the same note, samephrase, much higher like a little old man with a hole in his head andthe air pushing out and in, which is true of course, like a little oldman in a poem or a play, under the radar o trying to be that way, inhis mask (from Comicopera, and Wyatt explains he means it in the veryold school sense, the other side of tragedy, but useful, a workingpiece of uniform), his parody, with the well-timed well-pulled tear inhis blues, giving just enough pause to the listener (and even asympathetic listener can stop listening if the music seems toofamiliar, like this track never does; I keep listening to hear whathappens next, even though I "basically" or schematically know, butit's the feeling of the listening experience that matters here, likeit always should). Also, it's not just a mask etc in the defensivesense, or defensive in the wait for 'em to come at you sense; thelittle old rocking horse rider isn't just finding away to keep hisplace, he's somehow pushing forward, each repetition of the basic riffbrings some other sounds too, which suggest he's breaking intosomething, pushing forward, into wreckage, the hull of a galleon maybe(kind of an underwater moonlit quality). The bass player is also usinghis bow, and overdubbing violins, scrabbling at the push, in thepush.(Wyatt also plays some kind of keyboard, percussion, pockettrumpet, all in the arc and pull and push of the sway of the note)."Un mar de sue-eh-eh, no. Un mar de tierra blanca," so not justaquatic and doesn't just sound aquatic, but like he's entering thewater, rocking back and forth and forward. Sleepwalker? They can do alot. Not exactly sure all I'd say about this, but something wherelisteners might be led toward making their own connections, if theywant, to any possible deeper waters. It's just the damndest track, isall, first listen every listen. When you ask for these, you'll mentionthe need for the artist to answer a few questions, right? I'm littleinsecure about Wyatt doing this, but judging by the amount and varietyand quality of interviews, documentary material etc online, he'sfairly into doing media, or anyway he does it.
― dow, Wednesday, 15 May 2024 21:11 (four months ago) link
Even though it's not that far from some of my ravings that he did publish.
― dow, Wednesday, 15 May 2024 21:14 (four months ago) link
what a selfish and clueless reason to bump this thread, words fail me
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Wednesday, 15 May 2024 22:25 (four months ago) link
Trying to describe one the most amazing tracks I've ever heard? Meant as a tribute to RW, not myself. should have let the music do the talking:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUBFqj6h6zw
― dow, Wednesday, 15 May 2024 22:46 (four months ago) link
well i think what you wrote is sweet dow.
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 16 May 2024 00:35 (four months ago) link
fair enough, I'm just cranky, ignore me
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Thursday, 16 May 2024 01:02 (four months ago) link
no prob, thanks yall. That's all I got in the stash about Wyatt, and any new takes will be shorter, at least.
― dow, Thursday, 16 May 2024 02:47 (four months ago) link
https://thebluemoment.com/2024/07/01/on-visiting-a-friend/
― fetter, Monday, 1 July 2024 12:42 (two months ago) link
:)
― Blood On Santa's Claw (Tom D.), Monday, 1 July 2024 13:01 (two months ago) link
Do love him mid 70s Rock Bottom, Drury Lane and with Henry Cow.& the stage before where he was with Matching Mole and the stage before that with Soft Machine.
May like him a bit later too. Think I may have picked up a few more titles in FOPP a few years back.
But Matching Mole are so great.
The biography from about 10 years ago was quite good.Different Every Time
― Stevo, Monday, 1 July 2024 15:42 (two months ago) link
harrumphing a bit that williams thinks the band is called "the soft machine"
first alb is the soft machine by the band "soft machine" IMO; second is the soft machine: volume two, also by soft machine
any printed artefact to the contrary is a typo caused by drugs and the hippie slackness endemic to the times qed
― mark s, Monday, 1 July 2024 17:22 (two months ago) link
― dow, Tuesday, 2 July 2024 18:23 (two months ago) link
'k, dow expressed interest in reading this piece i wrote in december 2022... link should be active for about one month. :)
https://pastebin.com/eJnVVVPE
― Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 23 September 2024 21:20 (six days ago) link
Thanks! several of his and your comments are startling glimpses of the truth-go-round, new 'uns for me. Listening to all those unearthed, bandcamped live Softs sets upthread, plus considering the way their studio albums were going, with all those industrious instrumental studies, I was glad he left (however it happened), and regained breathing room to sing, with Matching Mole and others. Even though his thoughts went floating back and around, like his sound.
― dow, Monday, 23 September 2024 21:54 (six days ago) link