Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees 2024

the two non-Eric Avery Jane’s Addiction albums are so wretched that they should disqualify them

I've never bothered to listen to anything past Ritual, and tbh Ritual is only half-great. So yeah, on the basis of catalog Jane's is also a hard case to make. But Nothing's Shocking, I mean ... definitely in my personal canon of perfect rock records, if not in the HOF's.

Jane’s for sheer impact, for me anyway

^through with Sergio

Mariah belongs on her own merits, Oasis like Siegbran says, for the fame factor, I’m only a mild appreciator but they were absolutely epochal for a certain UK generation.

Tribe should be in by any metric. I don’t feel strongly about anyone else

The UK can have its own rock n roll hall with Oasis and Blur and other BritPop bands lost to time.

Yeah, I agree with milo; Oasis have no place in a US-based Hall of Fame; they're one-hit wonders.

Oasis had multiple Modern Rock hits and several too 10 albums in the States

Oasis was huge in the US for a while, and I still hear "Champagne Supernova" and "Wonderwall" way more than I want to.

But even more than with Jane's Addiction, most people including me can't tell you about anything beyond two albums.

only two Oasis matter

Oasis albums

My argument for Cher:

1) At least two great Sonny & Cher singles, "I Got You Babe" and "Baby Don't Go"--probably one or two more.

2) Cher in the '70s: garish and kind of ridiculous, but hugely popular in the middle of the decade, with (I think) two #1s.

3) Her later disco success.

4) Combine those three, and she's set Elton-like Billboard records in the longevity department.

4) Culturally: huge, in a bunch of different ways.

I wouldn't dispute that Oasis were huge here I just hate them. My only standard for RNR HOF admission is "do I think they were cool."

(xpost) Actually, Cher had three #1s in the '70s--didn't realize "Gypsys, Tramps & Thieves" made #1. (For a change, not my mistake; that's the way it's spelled.)

I like Cher a lot - I don't really like any of Cher's music, but as a personality and for the movies I've seen, she's pretty great.

I'm not a big Oasis fan, but my partner loves them and I got to know their music better that way. Had they imploded in, say 1996, their recorded legacy would've been short but sweet: two strong albums accompanied by a stream of equally strong non-LP cuts (mostly B-sides) from the same time. I'm reluctant to call them great - for starters, they sound a little too derivative - but that initial burst of recordings still sound pretty good and I enjoy them when they're on. That whole stretch afterwards when they put out five more albums and change is the pits. I still have a 2003 issue of Mojo that has the results of their annual readers poll - they were particularly harsh towards Oasis, so I get the feeling they wore out their welcome even in the UK. But they had a huge moment, and I don't really like the idea or the implication that the HOF should be U.S.-centric - if they were massive in Britain, that should still count for a lot. (With that in mind, I'd sooner induct Blur, Suede and Pulp, but none of them broke through in the U.S. so I doubt they'll ever get nominated under iHeart's watch.)

Also, this is awesome:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3Vr2C9nyHI

Totally forgot my favourite Sonny & Cher single: "The Beat Goes On."

xp @6:10 Ugh, Liam....

oh yes Cher definitely

Cher does not belong no way

also what would be the rationale for Sonny not going in? he actually wrote, produced, and arranged those hits. if it was the acting Hall of Fame, Cher would have my vote but she's not a particularly great singer and if you look at the list of snubs in that other poll it's pretty hard to make an argument for her

(With that in mind, I'd sooner induct Blur, Suede and Pulp, but none of them broke through in the U.S. so I doubt they'll ever get nominated under iHeart's watch.)

I'd induct the Smiths before any of them

(xpost) I think it's easy to separate her from Sonny: his window of making music of lasting value is two years or three years, and then he ceases to be of any interest. I take your point about him writing and arranging those records, but that's far outweighed by Cher's musical career after Sonny & Cher. (I said her "disco success," but what I meant was what her success on dance charts in the '90s and '00s, less what she did in the late '70s--although there was "Take Me Home.") What you say about her singing might or might not be true, but that's kind of a subjective call.

What you say about her singing might or might not be true, but that's kind of a subjective call


I think the fact you wrote this sentence instead of arguing against means you know.

the entire hall is subjective.

she's a genuinely great actress

she's a genuinely great actress

She's such a good actress she convinced millions of people she was a singer.

None of you guys mentioned Foreigner so I voted for Foreigner. The absolute apotheosis of a certain kind of rock that is not much practiced anymore and which I'm not saying I crave but -- they were damn good at it, huge song after huge song, and I mean "huge" not in the sense of "high on charts", although that too, but a certain sense of PHYSICAL hugeness in the songs.

"I Want To Know What Love Is" sucks though, don't get me wrong.

I think the fact you wrote this sentence instead of arguing against means you know.

Not really...I love her singing on the three Sonny & Cher records I mentioned. I can't really disengage the technical prowess of her singing from those records. That's the Dylan thing, isn't it? We could spend all day arguing about what "good singing" means.

I thought that said Slade and I thought, "At last!"

clemenza you seriously look at this list and say she deserves to be the top five at the exclusion of the rest?

judges strictly on her music

also nice try with the Dylan thing but she's not carving out a uniquely atypical singing style like Bjork or Dylan or Damon Suzuki she's was just trying to sing in a conventional style but she didn't have a strong voice, it's like saying Paula Abdul is Mary Margaret O'Hara or something

She would seriously be one of my five picks from that list, yes. I started thinking a few years ago she should go in. I'm trying to look at the totality of her career, which encompasses a lot.

(Would she be one of my five picks going outside that list? No, not at all.)

what is your list?

of the poll choices?

I posted above: Sinead, Tribe Called Quest, Cher, Mariah Carey, Eric B. & Rakim.

Many others I would put in before her, some from that list of snubs that's up: the Shangri-Las, Dionne Warwick, the New York Dolls, Sonic Youth, Husker Du, the Shoes (kidding--that's my personal HOF), on and on.

tbh the Shoes made a perfect album something Cher cannot boast of

Gonna disagree on the Cher not having a strong voice part.

(xpost) We have reached consensus!

On whether she's Hall-worthy, I don't have a strong opinion

I used to love the short jokes she made about Sonny on their TV show. I'm not sure if that should figure in or not.

changing gears, Sinead is guaranteed getting in this year and it's kind of infuriating to see her be applauded by some of the same assholes who were fine with her post Pope scorning

also the fact that they will do it now when they can show a pretty picture of her and have Elvis Costello or someone solemnly intone about her talent rather than having to worry about what a living, breathing Sinead might have said during her acceptance speech

I wrote a long thing about Jane's a few years ago🕸 that sums up why they're an instant vote for me. And why they're very fucked up and I can understand why a lot of people might hate them, especially Perry.

I’m only a year younger than you Unperson but I definitely felt at the time Jane’s Addiction weren’t scary, just gross. RHCP at least looked like they were having a good time. And what was progressive politically about JA compared to Nirvana’s openly pro feminism pro-LGBT stance?

I am worried the davehead contingent might get there way this time which would be a real drag

Oh, until I noticed Oasis in the mix, I was 100% convinced DMB would be cruising toward induction this time around with absolutely no static. I still basically think that. His boring awful music demo hasn't had a rallying cause in quite some time.

"I Want To Know What Love Is" sucks though, don't get me wrong.

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no it doesn’t!!!!

Lol I love Foreigner ballads more than their rockers

Gramm's voice was butter but he seemed to really dig deep for the ballads, incredible sense of dynamics.

"Waiting for a Girl Like You" > "I Wanna Know What Love Is", but I like both.

Of the non-ballads, "Urgent" is the best IMO. Foreigner was at its best when they were rocking in minor keys and sounding stressed out, the joyous rockers to me always sounded too forced. "Hot Blooded" don't do it for me

i love Foreigner w Lou Gramm SO much but Mick seems like such a dickwad I kinda dont want them to go in out of spite

also if it includes this garbage = instant disqualification

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiPkqX8SYgE

Is Foreigner one of those bands whose touring edition has no original members?

Mick is the only original member now
It’s a shitshow