Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees 2024

Also, this is awesome:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3Vr2C9nyHI

Totally forgot my favourite Sonny & Cher single: "The Beat Goes On."

xp @6:10 Ugh, Liam....

oh yes Cher definitely

Cher does not belong no way

also what would be the rationale for Sonny not going in? he actually wrote, produced, and arranged those hits. if it was the acting Hall of Fame, Cher would have my vote but she's not a particularly great singer and if you look at the list of snubs in that other poll it's pretty hard to make an argument for her

(With that in mind, I'd sooner induct Blur, Suede and Pulp, but none of them broke through in the U.S. so I doubt they'll ever get nominated under iHeart's watch.)

I'd induct the Smiths before any of them

(xpost) I think it's easy to separate her from Sonny: his window of making music of lasting value is two years or three years, and then he ceases to be of any interest. I take your point about him writing and arranging those records, but that's far outweighed by Cher's musical career after Sonny & Cher. (I said her "disco success," but what I meant was what her success on dance charts in the '90s and '00s, less what she did in the late '70s--although there was "Take Me Home.") What you say about her singing might or might not be true, but that's kind of a subjective call.

What you say about her singing might or might not be true, but that's kind of a subjective call


I think the fact you wrote this sentence instead of arguing against means you know.

the entire hall is subjective.

she's a genuinely great actress

she's a genuinely great actress

She's such a good actress she convinced millions of people she was a singer.

None of you guys mentioned Foreigner so I voted for Foreigner. The absolute apotheosis of a certain kind of rock that is not much practiced anymore and which I'm not saying I crave but -- they were damn good at it, huge song after huge song, and I mean "huge" not in the sense of "high on charts", although that too, but a certain sense of PHYSICAL hugeness in the songs.

"I Want To Know What Love Is" sucks though, don't get me wrong.

I think the fact you wrote this sentence instead of arguing against means you know.

Not really...I love her singing on the three Sonny & Cher records I mentioned. I can't really disengage the technical prowess of her singing from those records. That's the Dylan thing, isn't it? We could spend all day arguing about what "good singing" means.

I thought that said Slade and I thought, "At last!"

clemenza you seriously look at this list and say she deserves to be the top five at the exclusion of the rest?

judges strictly on her music

also nice try with the Dylan thing but she's not carving out a uniquely atypical singing style like Bjork or Dylan or Damon Suzuki she's was just trying to sing in a conventional style but she didn't have a strong voice, it's like saying Paula Abdul is Mary Margaret O'Hara or something

She would seriously be one of my five picks from that list, yes. I started thinking a few years ago she should go in. I'm trying to look at the totality of her career, which encompasses a lot.

(Would she be one of my five picks going outside that list? No, not at all.)

what is your list?

of the poll choices?

I posted above: Sinead, Tribe Called Quest, Cher, Mariah Carey, Eric B. & Rakim.

Many others I would put in before her, some from that list of snubs that's up: the Shangri-Las, Dionne Warwick, the New York Dolls, Sonic Youth, Husker Du, the Shoes (kidding--that's my personal HOF), on and on.

tbh the Shoes made a perfect album something Cher cannot boast of

Gonna disagree on the Cher not having a strong voice part.

(xpost) We have reached consensus!

On whether she's Hall-worthy, I don't have a strong opinion

I used to love the short jokes she made about Sonny on their TV show. I'm not sure if that should figure in or not.

changing gears, Sinead is guaranteed getting in this year and it's kind of infuriating to see her be applauded by some of the same assholes who were fine with her post Pope scorning

also the fact that they will do it now when they can show a pretty picture of her and have Elvis Costello or someone solemnly intone about her talent rather than having to worry about what a living, breathing Sinead might have said during her acceptance speech

I wrote a long thing about Jane's a few years ago🕸 that sums up why they're an instant vote for me. And why they're very fucked up and I can understand why a lot of people might hate them, especially Perry.

I’m only a year younger than you Unperson but I definitely felt at the time Jane’s Addiction weren’t scary, just gross. RHCP at least looked like they were having a good time. And what was progressive politically about JA compared to Nirvana’s openly pro feminism pro-LGBT stance?

I am worried the davehead contingent might get there way this time which would be a real drag

Oh, until I noticed Oasis in the mix, I was 100% convinced DMB would be cruising toward induction this time around with absolutely no static. I still basically think that. His boring awful music demo hasn't had a rallying cause in quite some time.

"I Want To Know What Love Is" sucks though, don't get me wrong.

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, February 11, 2024 10:35 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

no it doesn’t!!!!

Lol I love Foreigner ballads more than their rockers

Gramm's voice was butter but he seemed to really dig deep for the ballads, incredible sense of dynamics.

"Waiting for a Girl Like You" > "I Wanna Know What Love Is", but I like both.

Of the non-ballads, "Urgent" is the best IMO. Foreigner was at its best when they were rocking in minor keys and sounding stressed out, the joyous rockers to me always sounded too forced. "Hot Blooded" don't do it for me

i love Foreigner w Lou Gramm SO much but Mick seems like such a dickwad I kinda dont want them to go in out of spite

also if it includes this garbage = instant disqualification

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiPkqX8SYgE

Is Foreigner one of those bands whose touring edition has no original members?

Mick is the only original member now
It’s a shitshow

I'd induct the Smiths before any of them

Same here, they should have been in 15 years ago, but I was just limiting the scope to that era in the mid-‘90s.

I never got Foreigner but I was surprised how even a few prominent haters held up “I Want to Know What Love Is” as some great defining moment in ‘80s rock simply for the gospel choir.

On whether she's Hall-worthy, I don't have a strong opinion

― never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal)

but is she Daryl Hall-worthy?

I never got Foreigner but I was surprised how even a few prominent haters held up “I Want to Know What Love Is” as some great defining moment in ‘80s rock simply for the gospel choir.

― birdistheword,

Nope. It's also because Lou Gramm sings it really fucking well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jA-_g_iSY0

To be fair, it’s not a bad single.

I can't stand "Cold As Ice," "Feels Like the First Time," and ugh "Hot Blooded," but I love the mid-tier things like "Blue Morning, Blue Day," "Long, Long Way From Home," and "Jukebox Hero."

“Urgent” seems to get some love - made it on to Dave Marsh’s 1001 list.

the nu-Foreigner is funny because I saw them in 2006, with Kelly Hansen on vox (he's still there), other hired guns, and Mick, and the stage banter was so awkward. like it felt like a hair band concert at times with all of the PG-13 bantz

"Let's give a round of applause for the LADIES in the audience!"

*roar*

"Do we ...have any NAUGHTY ladies here tonight?"

*roar*

"I like the naughty NAKED ones, myself"

*crickets*

"um...ok , here's Waiting for a Girl LIke You"

I like Cold as Ice, but FLTFT is the exact kinda shit I hate with Foreigner. the jubilous rockers always sounded so boring with them, cookie-cutter. I liked it better when they sounded like they were all doing a hair of the dog to forget about the previous day's misery

gargling the hair of dogs more like

It's funny that people get all wound up about Foreigner not having any "original" members left. The whole band was cobbled together by Jones and his manager out of available studio hacks and also-rans anyway. I mean, there's about as much of a "definitive" version of Foreigner as there is a "definitive" version of King Crimson or the Fall.

Lou Gramm is pretty definitive. Hansen's a great singer and probably sings the songs better than Gramm would at this stage of his life, but he also sings them noticeably differently.

the rest are pretty unimportant.

other than the two dimwitted brothers, does anyone care about the other members of oasis? boner and whitey or whoever.

always thought it was a mistake leaving Growing Pains to be in a britpop band

show me that smiiiile