I'd induct the Smiths before any of them
Same here, they should have been in 15 years ago, but I was just limiting the scope to that era in the mid-‘90s.
I never got Foreigner but I was surprised how even a few prominent haters held up “I Want to Know What Love Is” as some great defining moment in ‘80s rock simply for the gospel choir.
― birdistheword, Sunday, 11 February 2024 20:25 (six months ago) link
On whether she's Hall-worthy, I don't have a strong opinion
― never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal)
but is she Daryl Hall-worthy?
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 February 2024 20:25 (six months ago) link
― birdistheword,
Nope. It's also because Lou Gramm sings it really fucking well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jA-_g_iSY0
To be fair, it’s not a bad single.
― birdistheword, Sunday, 11 February 2024 20:26 (six months ago) link
I can't stand "Cold As Ice," "Feels Like the First Time," and ugh "Hot Blooded," but I love the mid-tier things like "Blue Morning, Blue Day," "Long, Long Way From Home," and "Jukebox Hero."
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 February 2024 20:29 (six months ago) link
“Urgent” seems to get some love - made it on to Dave Marsh’s 1001 list.
― birdistheword, Sunday, 11 February 2024 20:31 (six months ago) link
the nu-Foreigner is funny because I saw them in 2006, with Kelly Hansen on vox (he's still there), other hired guns, and Mick, and the stage banter was so awkward. like it felt like a hair band concert at times with all of the PG-13 bantz
"Let's give a round of applause for the LADIES in the audience!"
*roar*
"Do we ...have any NAUGHTY ladies here tonight?"
"I like the naughty NAKED ones, myself"
*crickets*
"um...ok , here's Waiting for a Girl LIke You"
― never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Sunday, 11 February 2024 20:31 (six months ago) link
I like Cold as Ice, but FLTFT is the exact kinda shit I hate with Foreigner. the jubilous rockers always sounded so boring with them, cookie-cutter. I liked it better when they sounded like they were all doing a hair of the dog to forget about the previous day's misery
― never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Sunday, 11 February 2024 20:33 (six months ago) link
gargling the hair of dogs more like
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 February 2024 20:35 (six months ago) link
It's funny that people get all wound up about Foreigner not having any "original" members left. The whole band was cobbled together by Jones and his manager out of available studio hacks and also-rans anyway. I mean, there's about as much of a "definitive" version of Foreigner as there is a "definitive" version of King Crimson or the Fall.
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Sunday, 11 February 2024 20:36 (six months ago) link
Lou Gramm is pretty definitive. Hansen's a great singer and probably sings the songs better than Gramm would at this stage of his life, but he also sings them noticeably differently.
the rest are pretty unimportant.
― never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Sunday, 11 February 2024 20:39 (six months ago) link
other than the two dimwitted brothers, does anyone care about the other members of oasis? boner and whitey or whoever.
― scott seward, Sunday, 11 February 2024 20:44 (six months ago) link
always thought it was a mistake leaving Growing Pains to be in a britpop band
― never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Sunday, 11 February 2024 20:45 (six months ago) link
show me that smiiiile
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 February 2024 20:45 (six months ago) link
Oasis's only essential release is Wibbling Rivalry
"Long Way From Home" is so good, it's like a secret world where Foreigner was like some weird progeny of BoC & 10cc
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 11 February 2024 20:50 (six months ago) link
We’ll probably have the same actress-or-singer debate next year or so when JLo get nominated.
― Siegbran, Sunday, 11 February 2024 21:00 (six months ago) link
And 15 years from now with Bradley Cooper.
(If you say that in a Dave Chappelle voice, it's funny.)
― clemenza, Sunday, 11 February 2024 21:02 (six months ago) link
Selena Gomez more likely, but yes.
― Siegbran, Sunday, 11 February 2024 21:06 (six months ago) link
Ridiculous how much the bar's been lowered. I guess John Travolta should be inducted - he had enormous hits (never mind that they sucked) and he actually played an important part in the massive popularity of disco.
― birdistheword, Sunday, 11 February 2024 21:11 (six months ago) link
OK I'm glad I brought up Foreigner so I can see that we all like different aspects of Foreigner. Maybe I am the only one for whom "Feels Like The First Time" strikes some deep resonance in my '70s kid spirit and leaves it ringing for minutes.
Maybe this is related to how much I like Styx. Oh now I think I need to go post about Styx in the "Worthy Acts Snubbed" thread.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 11 February 2024 21:16 (six months ago) link
does anyone care about the other members of oasis?
Well, for 10 years Andy Bell from Ride was in there. Must be kind of fun to be back in Ride, with that wild experience under your belt.
Foreigner is pretty much butt rock with glimmers of better things here and there. Like "Urgent" (which, thanks to Mutt, sound remarkably like the Cars) or "Girl Like You" (which features Thomas Dolby! The tale:
The introduction was created by Dolby using a Minimoog synthesizer. Dolby remembers Lange leaving him to his own devices in the studio one night, "like a kid locked in a toy shop" to develop the intro to the song with six tracks of the multitrack available. As a result, he made the "Eno-esque" ambient drones. These were sustained single notes in a minor scale, each recorded on a single track of a (separate) 2" multitrack tape; Dolby "played" the faders on the mixing console at Electric Lady Studios (by fading in and out the sustained notes) like a mellotron and bounced down the result onto two tracks. Drummer Dennis Elliott likened the intro to "massage music" but Jones liked it and it stuck.
My friend and I have a theory that a host of players got tons of work in the '80s just because, very talented or no, they were the only ones that knew how to even turn the synths on. Dolby, Harold Faltermeyer, Greg Phillinganes, etc.)
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 11 February 2024 22:07 (six months ago) link
This discussion sent me to Tidal to listen to Foreigner and I think they might be up there with the Eagles on the "the singles are good to great, the album tracks are trash" scale. I listened to "Waiting For a Girl Like You," which is a good early 80s radio rock song, half crunch and half New Wave, but the next song is "Luanne," which features the lyrics
Luanne, LuanneWhy do you run and hide?Luanne, LuanneDon't keep your love insideI wait around for you after schoolYou slip away and I don't see youDon't know what I'm gonna doIf you can't see how much I need youWe met, one day, and then, you ran awayI've searched the whole town looking for youI know you're there, somewhere
Now, I get that this is supposed to put the song into the "teenage love" subgenre of rock 'n' roll (the song has an old-timey Chuck Berry-esque guitar riff), but when these words come out of Lou Gramm's prematurely aged soul-man throat, they are 1000% a horror movie about an old pervert stalking a schoolgirl.
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Sunday, 11 February 2024 22:22 (six months ago) link
I didn't realize Dolby was so involved with the band, including "Urgent" which (in addition to him playing on it) was even influenced by one of his demos which was a surprise to him. Also didn't realize that was Junior Walker playing the sax - that's kind of like a supergroup recording that single.
― birdistheword, Sunday, 11 February 2024 22:26 (six months ago) link
i can't wait for the ceremony with sudsy, dingle, dikki, mick, wally, hernando, and shad weathersby.
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/60242db4353f6c38279c800b/3435172b-1260-4aa4-a483-9de008a2a97d/HiRes-Foreigner-2021_credit.png
― scott seward, Sunday, 11 February 2024 22:46 (six months ago) link
Apparently this is the song that partly inspired "Urgent"!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHd9ZJCAPNs
Sort of like later Cars and other "Mutt" projects, I'm not sure how much of the band is doing what on "Urgent."
Hilariously, here are the isolated drums:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpDP0y8zTA8
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 11 February 2024 22:48 (six months ago) link
I've heard Mary J. Blige's "Family Affair" off the car radio twice this week--once pre-nomination, once post (today). She wouldn't be one of my five, but I did have that on my Pazz & Jop list for whatever year it was--loved her possible nod to Chuck Berry with "hateration/botheration."
― clemenza, Sunday, 11 February 2024 23:05 (six months ago) link
holleration iirc
― dyl, Sunday, 11 February 2024 23:46 (six months ago) link
voted for kool & the gang
― dyl, Sunday, 11 February 2024 23:50 (six months ago) link
They would never induct any artists from SST, 4AD, Rough Trade, or Factory (no, I don’t think Joy Division/New Order will make it), so fuck them
― beamish13, Monday, 12 February 2024 04:28 (six months ago) link
Completely on topic, great post
― never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Monday, 12 February 2024 04:32 (six months ago) link
Can't argue with that sentiment. Should be at minimum a dozen artists from SST, 4AD, Rough Trade and Factory that should be in the HOF by now - instead it's a big fat zero and the fuckers at iHeart are throwing Dave Matthews at us yet again.
― birdistheword, Monday, 12 February 2024 05:30 (six months ago) link
Looks like thirteen I would've inducted by now: Black Flag, Meat Puppets, Dinosaur Jr, Descendents, Minutemen, Hüsker Dü, Sonic Youth, Bad Brains, Screaming Trees, Pixies, The Smiths, Belle and Sebastian, Joy Division/New Order.
― birdistheword, Monday, 12 February 2024 05:35 (six months ago) link
Belle and Sebastian(!) I know this is ILM, but c’mon now…
― atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Monday, 12 February 2024 05:39 (six months ago) link
I don't listen to anything after The Boy With the Arab Strap but the early stuff is great - at least three worthy albums that get them in for me.
― birdistheword, Monday, 12 February 2024 06:28 (six months ago) link
I like Belle and Sebastian too, but I part company with you there; as objectively as possible, I don't think they're anywhere near being a viable candidate.
― clemenza, Monday, 12 February 2024 14:50 (six months ago) link
Belle and Sebastian exceeds the standard of the HOF w/several classic albums and a couple of vv close to classic ones, unless we're concerned with sales and "fame" over quality exclusively, which i suppose this HOF is (i.e. Lenny Kravitz)
― omar little, Monday, 12 February 2024 16:49 (six months ago) link
That's a big part of the equation, I think. I'm not knocking S&B, I just don't think they've made any kind of a discernible impact in North America in terms of sales, charts, or general fame. A British HOF, maybe a different story. If it were just quality, I actually wouldn't be kidding about the Shoes.
― clemenza, Monday, 12 February 2024 16:55 (six months ago) link
Uh, B&S.
― clemenza, Monday, 12 February 2024 16:56 (six months ago) link
There are more than a couple members who'll go WHO when asked about B&S.
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 12 February 2024 16:59 (six months ago) link
put U.S. Maple in the rock n roll hall of fame
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 12 February 2024 16:59 (six months ago) link
to be fair i think a bunch of members would go "who?" if you mentioned Thin Lizzy or Husker Du or The Replacements
― omar little, Monday, 12 February 2024 17:01 (six months ago) link
I mean, if you are a member and you don't know who Thin Lizzy is, you should probably be immediately dropped from the list.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 12 February 2024 17:02 (six months ago) link
A British HOF, maybe a different story.
A thousand times no.
― The British Boy of Film Classification (Tom D.), Monday, 12 February 2024 17:04 (six months ago) link
I think the argument you have to make for indie acts that didn't sell much is that they were notably influential.
― jaymc, Monday, 12 February 2024 17:05 (six months ago) link
I haven't kept up with charts in a while, so I checked Belle & Sebastian. Actually better than I thought; six albums charted on Billboard, the highest at #15. The rest were from #28-150, so yeah, unless you're the New York Dolls, that's still well short of the bar, I think. (Wikipedia often includes chart placings on specialty charts, but they don't for B&S. So I don't know how they fared on Billboard's alternative/indie/modern-rock chart.)
― clemenza, Monday, 12 February 2024 17:12 (six months ago) link
look if the RNRHOF won't bother with an all-time great and vv successful group like Blue Oyster Cult but will swiftly induct absolute mediocrities who know how to play the game right as far as staying in the limelight, there's zero hope for B&S or many others i'd like to see get in. this institution is what it is.
― omar little, Monday, 12 February 2024 17:16 (six months ago) link
For the record, I like (early) B&S too... I just don't see how they really fit any criteria for inclusion in the Rock Hall (same with most of my deep indie/alt faves). At least we got Bon Jovi in!
― atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Monday, 12 February 2024 17:31 (six months ago) link
They would never induct any artists from SST, 4AD, Rough Trade, or Factory (no, I don’t think Joy Division/New Order will make it), so fuck them― beamish13, Sunday, February 11, 2024 11:28 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
― beamish13, Sunday, February 11, 2024 11:28 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
otm
i am an accelerationist so i voted for dave matthews
― Allen (etaeoe), Monday, 12 February 2024 17:43 (six months ago) link
https://consequence.net/2024/02/liam-gallagher-rock-roll-hall-of-fame-bumbaclarts/
― atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Monday, 12 February 2024 17:44 (six months ago) link