Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees 2024

OK I'm glad I brought up Foreigner so I can see that we all like different aspects of Foreigner. Maybe I am the only one for whom "Feels Like The First Time" strikes some deep resonance in my '70s kid spirit and leaves it ringing for minutes.

Maybe this is related to how much I like Styx. Oh now I think I need to go post about Styx in the "Worthy Acts Snubbed" thread.

does anyone care about the other members of oasis?

Well, for 10 years Andy Bell from Ride was in there. Must be kind of fun to be back in Ride, with that wild experience under your belt.

Foreigner is pretty much butt rock with glimmers of better things here and there. Like "Urgent" (which, thanks to Mutt, sound remarkably like the Cars) or "Girl Like You" (which features Thomas Dolby! The tale:

The introduction was created by Dolby using a Minimoog synthesizer. Dolby remembers Lange leaving him to his own devices in the studio one night, "like a kid locked in a toy shop" to develop the intro to the song with six tracks of the multitrack available. As a result, he made the "Eno-esque" ambient drones. These were sustained single notes in a minor scale, each recorded on a single track of a (separate) 2" multitrack tape; Dolby "played" the faders on the mixing console at Electric Lady Studios (by fading in and out the sustained notes) like a mellotron and bounced down the result onto two tracks. Drummer Dennis Elliott likened the intro to "massage music" but Jones liked it and it stuck.

My friend and I have a theory that a host of players got tons of work in the '80s just because, very talented or no, they were the only ones that knew how to even turn the synths on. Dolby, Harold Faltermeyer, Greg Phillinganes, etc.)

This discussion sent me to Tidal to listen to Foreigner and I think they might be up there with the Eagles on the "the singles are good to great, the album tracks are trash" scale. I listened to "Waiting For a Girl Like You," which is a good early 80s radio rock song, half crunch and half New Wave, but the next song is "Luanne," which features the lyrics

Luanne, Luanne
Why do you run and hide?
Luanne, Luanne
Don't keep your love inside
I wait around for you after school
You slip away and I don't see you
Don't know what I'm gonna do
If you can't see how much I need you
We met, one day, and then, you ran away
I've searched the whole town looking for you
I know you're there, somewhere

Now, I get that this is supposed to put the song into the "teenage love" subgenre of rock 'n' roll (the song has an old-timey Chuck Berry-esque guitar riff), but when these words come out of Lou Gramm's prematurely aged soul-man throat, they are 1000% a horror movie about an old pervert stalking a schoolgirl.

I didn't realize Dolby was so involved with the band, including "Urgent" which (in addition to him playing on it) was even influenced by one of his demos which was a surprise to him. Also didn't realize that was Junior Walker playing the sax - that's kind of like a supergroup recording that single.

i can't wait for the ceremony with sudsy, dingle, dikki, mick, wally, hernando, and shad weathersby.

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/60242db4353f6c38279c800b/3435172b-1260-4aa4-a483-9de008a2a97d/HiRes-Foreigner-2021_credit.png

Apparently this is the song that partly inspired "Urgent"!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHd9ZJCAPNs

Sort of like later Cars and other "Mutt" projects, I'm not sure how much of the band is doing what on "Urgent."

Hilariously, here are the isolated drums:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpDP0y8zTA8

I've heard Mary J. Blige's "Family Affair" off the car radio twice this week--once pre-nomination, once post (today). She wouldn't be one of my five, but I did have that on my Pazz & Jop list for whatever year it was--loved her possible nod to Chuck Berry with "hateration/botheration."

holleration iirc

voted for kool & the gang

They would never induct any artists from SST, 4AD, Rough Trade, or Factory (no, I don’t think Joy Division/New Order will make it), so fuck them

Completely on topic, great post

Can't argue with that sentiment. Should be at minimum a dozen artists from SST, 4AD, Rough Trade and Factory that should be in the HOF by now - instead it's a big fat zero and the fuckers at iHeart are throwing Dave Matthews at us yet again.

Looks like thirteen I would've inducted by now: Black Flag, Meat Puppets, Dinosaur Jr, Descendents, Minutemen, Hüsker Dü, Sonic Youth, Bad Brains, Screaming Trees, Pixies, The Smiths, Belle and Sebastian, Joy Division/New Order.

Belle and Sebastian(!) I know this is ILM, but c’mon now…

I don't listen to anything after The Boy With the Arab Strap but the early stuff is great - at least three worthy albums that get them in for me.

I like Belle and Sebastian too, but I part company with you there; as objectively as possible, I don't think they're anywhere near being a viable candidate.

Belle and Sebastian exceeds the standard of the HOF w/several classic albums and a couple of vv close to classic ones, unless we're concerned with sales and "fame" over quality exclusively, which i suppose this HOF is (i.e. Lenny Kravitz)

That's a big part of the equation, I think. I'm not knocking S&B, I just don't think they've made any kind of a discernible impact in North America in terms of sales, charts, or general fame. A British HOF, maybe a different story. If it were just quality, I actually wouldn't be kidding about the Shoes.

Uh, B&S.

There are more than a couple members who'll go WHO when asked about B&S.

put U.S. Maple in the rock n roll hall of fame

to be fair i think a bunch of members would go "who?" if you mentioned Thin Lizzy or Husker Du or The Replacements

I mean, if you are a member and you don't know who Thin Lizzy is, you should probably be immediately dropped from the list.

A British HOF, maybe a different story.

A thousand times no.

I think the argument you have to make for indie acts that didn't sell much is that they were notably influential.

I haven't kept up with charts in a while, so I checked Belle & Sebastian. Actually better than I thought; six albums charted on Billboard, the highest at #15. The rest were from #28-150, so yeah, unless you're the New York Dolls, that's still well short of the bar, I think. (Wikipedia often includes chart placings on specialty charts, but they don't for B&S. So I don't know how they fared on Billboard's alternative/indie/modern-rock chart.)

look if the RNRHOF won't bother with an all-time great and vv successful group like Blue Oyster Cult but will swiftly induct absolute mediocrities who know how to play the game right as far as staying in the limelight, there's zero hope for B&S or many others i'd like to see get in. this institution is what it is.

For the record, I like (early) B&S too... I just don't see how they really fit any criteria for inclusion in the Rock Hall (same with most of my deep indie/alt faves). At least we got Bon Jovi in!

They would never induct any artists from SST, 4AD, Rough Trade, or Factory (no, I don’t think Joy Division/New Order will make it), so fuck them

― beamish13, Sunday, February 11, 2024 11:28 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

otm

i am an accelerationist so i voted for dave matthews

https://consequence.net/2024/02/liam-gallagher-rock-roll-hall-of-fame-bumbaclarts/

xp lol

Seriously tho, if you don't think the current environment is ripe for a DMB wave-in, you are a more optimistic (or naive) person than I

If you were in the US indie scene at the time, the B&S mania was absolutely insane, seeming to dominate the whole world, but only for a couple of years, they are really a peak value candidate, the Fernando Valenzuela of the R&RHoF -- but I mean, what, are you going to put Arcade Fire in too?

Anyway, I am relistining to Foreigner _Double Vision_ and what's striking is the way songs like "Hot Blooded" do not, by modern standards, ROCK very hard -- when I was a kid I definitely thought of this song as rocking EXTREMELY hard. But to my current ear it ambles along!

Arcade Fire I could see being the token act inducted to stand in for the whole of 00s indie, they did get to arenas at one point and also have enough of that U2 epic uplift thing going on to appeal to the more conservative voters

Pixies probably have the only shot of the 80s alt/college/indie bands (more popular, influential on Nirvana, end of Fight Club)

i think the national is gonna be the token indie band from the 00s. arcade fire would've been, but for win butler's me too situation.

i was surprised that the white stripes didn't make it last year and are now not nominated. thought jack white's whole deal would appeal to the old guard

Other than Sade, Sinéad and Tribe, that's a pretty shit list.

Ozzy really doesn't deserve to get in as a solo artist.

Arcade Fire hung around long enough to win Grammies right? So that has to help them.

Yes, I think Pixies get in under the Velvet Underground rule

Ozzy really doesn't deserve to get in as a solo artist.

You couldn't be wronger about this. His first four studio solo albums are all incredible, and plenty of people rate the fifth and sixth as well, and his impact on the 80s metal scene was massive. Ozzy is a major, major figure, commercially and artistically.

yeah Ozzy definitely gets in on the basis of his early solo career easily

His 80s albums really haven't held up, not for me. I definitely wouldn't put them in the "incredible" column, although god knows I did when I was 15 and 16 years old.

Motorhead opened for him on the Blizzard tour, they represented more of the future of metal than Ozzy did, imho.

xpost really? idk they seem pretty timeless for me. even if you get tired of Ozzy's reedy voice, I feel like the first two are basically perfect albums

TBF, it's been years since I've listened to them.

i think the national is gonna be the token indie band from the 00s. arcade fire would've been, but for win butler's me too situation.

i was surprised that the white stripes didn't make it last year and are now not nominated. thought jack white's whole deal would appeal to the old guard

― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Monday, February 12, 2024 1:38 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

national is a good call and agreed on white stripes, the old members will always loves the blooze

national is a good call and agreed on white stripes, the old members will always loves the blooze snooze

fxd

There’s no doubt about Ozzy - look at how people still talk of Rhoads, Aldridge, Lee, Wylde etc as sidemen; primarily or mostly from working with Ozzy

never really got the appeal of Zack Wylde but that speaks to what a prestigious position it was in metal guitar.

Jake E. Lee is amazing, so underrated

Jake E Lee's Badlands should be in the Hall of Fame