Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees 2024

Completely on topic, great post

Can't argue with that sentiment. Should be at minimum a dozen artists from SST, 4AD, Rough Trade and Factory that should be in the HOF by now - instead it's a big fat zero and the fuckers at iHeart are throwing Dave Matthews at us yet again.

Looks like thirteen I would've inducted by now: Black Flag, Meat Puppets, Dinosaur Jr, Descendents, Minutemen, Hüsker Dü, Sonic Youth, Bad Brains, Screaming Trees, Pixies, The Smiths, Belle and Sebastian, Joy Division/New Order.

Belle and Sebastian(!) I know this is ILM, but c’mon now…

I don't listen to anything after The Boy With the Arab Strap but the early stuff is great - at least three worthy albums that get them in for me.

I like Belle and Sebastian too, but I part company with you there; as objectively as possible, I don't think they're anywhere near being a viable candidate.

Belle and Sebastian exceeds the standard of the HOF w/several classic albums and a couple of vv close to classic ones, unless we're concerned with sales and "fame" over quality exclusively, which i suppose this HOF is (i.e. Lenny Kravitz)

That's a big part of the equation, I think. I'm not knocking S&B, I just don't think they've made any kind of a discernible impact in North America in terms of sales, charts, or general fame. A British HOF, maybe a different story. If it were just quality, I actually wouldn't be kidding about the Shoes.

Uh, B&S.

There are more than a couple members who'll go WHO when asked about B&S.

put U.S. Maple in the rock n roll hall of fame

to be fair i think a bunch of members would go "who?" if you mentioned Thin Lizzy or Husker Du or The Replacements

I mean, if you are a member and you don't know who Thin Lizzy is, you should probably be immediately dropped from the list.

A British HOF, maybe a different story.

A thousand times no.

I think the argument you have to make for indie acts that didn't sell much is that they were notably influential.

I haven't kept up with charts in a while, so I checked Belle & Sebastian. Actually better than I thought; six albums charted on Billboard, the highest at #15. The rest were from #28-150, so yeah, unless you're the New York Dolls, that's still well short of the bar, I think. (Wikipedia often includes chart placings on specialty charts, but they don't for B&S. So I don't know how they fared on Billboard's alternative/indie/modern-rock chart.)

look if the RNRHOF won't bother with an all-time great and vv successful group like Blue Oyster Cult but will swiftly induct absolute mediocrities who know how to play the game right as far as staying in the limelight, there's zero hope for B&S or many others i'd like to see get in. this institution is what it is.

For the record, I like (early) B&S too... I just don't see how they really fit any criteria for inclusion in the Rock Hall (same with most of my deep indie/alt faves). At least we got Bon Jovi in!

They would never induct any artists from SST, 4AD, Rough Trade, or Factory (no, I don’t think Joy Division/New Order will make it), so fuck them

― beamish13, Sunday, February 11, 2024 11:28 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

otm

i am an accelerationist so i voted for dave matthews

https://consequence.net/2024/02/liam-gallagher-rock-roll-hall-of-fame-bumbaclarts/

xp lol

Seriously tho, if you don't think the current environment is ripe for a DMB wave-in, you are a more optimistic (or naive) person than I

If you were in the US indie scene at the time, the B&S mania was absolutely insane, seeming to dominate the whole world, but only for a couple of years, they are really a peak value candidate, the Fernando Valenzuela of the R&RHoF -- but I mean, what, are you going to put Arcade Fire in too?

Anyway, I am relistining to Foreigner _Double Vision_ and what's striking is the way songs like "Hot Blooded" do not, by modern standards, ROCK very hard -- when I was a kid I definitely thought of this song as rocking EXTREMELY hard. But to my current ear it ambles along!

Arcade Fire I could see being the token act inducted to stand in for the whole of 00s indie, they did get to arenas at one point and also have enough of that U2 epic uplift thing going on to appeal to the more conservative voters

Pixies probably have the only shot of the 80s alt/college/indie bands (more popular, influential on Nirvana, end of Fight Club)

i think the national is gonna be the token indie band from the 00s. arcade fire would've been, but for win butler's me too situation.

i was surprised that the white stripes didn't make it last year and are now not nominated. thought jack white's whole deal would appeal to the old guard

Other than Sade, Sinéad and Tribe, that's a pretty shit list.

Ozzy really doesn't deserve to get in as a solo artist.

Arcade Fire hung around long enough to win Grammies right? So that has to help them.

Yes, I think Pixies get in under the Velvet Underground rule

Ozzy really doesn't deserve to get in as a solo artist.

You couldn't be wronger about this. His first four studio solo albums are all incredible, and plenty of people rate the fifth and sixth as well, and his impact on the 80s metal scene was massive. Ozzy is a major, major figure, commercially and artistically.

yeah Ozzy definitely gets in on the basis of his early solo career easily

His 80s albums really haven't held up, not for me. I definitely wouldn't put them in the "incredible" column, although god knows I did when I was 15 and 16 years old.

Motorhead opened for him on the Blizzard tour, they represented more of the future of metal than Ozzy did, imho.

xpost really? idk they seem pretty timeless for me. even if you get tired of Ozzy's reedy voice, I feel like the first two are basically perfect albums

TBF, it's been years since I've listened to them.

i think the national is gonna be the token indie band from the 00s. arcade fire would've been, but for win butler's me too situation.

i was surprised that the white stripes didn't make it last year and are now not nominated. thought jack white's whole deal would appeal to the old guard

― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Monday, February 12, 2024 1:38 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

national is a good call and agreed on white stripes, the old members will always loves the blooze

national is a good call and agreed on white stripes, the old members will always loves the blooze snooze

fxd

There’s no doubt about Ozzy - look at how people still talk of Rhoads, Aldridge, Lee, Wylde etc as sidemen; primarily or mostly from working with Ozzy

never really got the appeal of Zack Wylde but that speaks to what a prestigious position it was in metal guitar.

Jake E. Lee is amazing, so underrated

Jake E Lee's Badlands should be in the Hall of Fame

i was surprised that the white stripes didn't make it last year and are now not nominated. thought jack white's whole deal would appeal to the old guard

don't discount the possibility of the hall waiting till jack white is eligible to go in alone and inducting him that way. fucking over meg white would be very much in character.

some of the '80s underground and hardcore bands will get in on the "influences" side, but probably not 'til they're all dead. I don't think we'll ever have to, as Ron House once sang, blow it up before Albini gives a speech.

also The National guy becoming Taylor's main musical partner will definitely help them get in before any of the other '00s/'10s indie bands.

funny how in the '90s I thought the future Hall of Famers were like PJ Harvey and Bjork, but it was actually Green Day and Foo Fighters

RNR HOF 2028 - the Raconteurs are the sole inductee

Sheryl Crow over PJ Harvey and Björk was like watching Ron Howard win an Oscar over David Lynch and Robert Altman.

I kind of figured Green Day would get inducted early on for commercial reasons - Dookie sold ten million copies out of the gate, outpacing Nirvana and Pearl Jam.

xp for reference:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/obsessed/unforgettable-oscars-moment-lynch-and-altman-lose-to-ron-howard

Green Day is on because of American Idiot not Dookie, that is what made them a respectable classic rock band

the dreaded "mature statement"