Although I do see that All The Right Reasons by Nickleback (released in '05) went Diamond.
So, uh, yeah.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 04:55 (nine months ago) link
Nickleback is also now eligible for the RRHOF.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 04:59 (nine months ago) link
Creed will probably get in before Nickleback - 6 million-selling debut, 11-million follow-up, and a 6 million finale before breaking up.
Also, I didn't realize Sykes (the HOF CEO) was president of Mariah Carey and Carly Simon's management agency - I'm guessing he personally helped push to get them nominated.
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 05:25 (nine months ago) link
Motorhead opened for him on the Blizzard tour, they represented more of the future of metal than Ozzy did, imho.― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux)
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux)
Anyway: Coldplay, Linkin Park, Arcade Fire and Paramore will probably be the bands to represent Rock in the 2000s? From the 90s I think Soundgarden and Alice In Chains will get in as well, to complete the grunge big 4. Korn, Deftones and System Of A Down, probably not but then again RATM got in, so who knows. As the Milennials gradually get in voting positions, they'll induct their childhood heroes, that's how it goes.
― Siegbran, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 10:12 (nine months ago) link
Also, I didn't realize Sykes (the HOF CEO) was president of Mariah Carey and Carly Simon's management agency - I'm guessing he personally helped push to get them nominated.Mariah is the world's second best selling artist of the 2000s (after Eminem), I don't think she needed much of a push? Carly Simon, yes probably.
― Siegbran, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 10:16 (nine months ago) link
Korn, Deftones and System Of A Down, probably not but then again RATM got in, so who knowsProbably helped that Tom Morello has been on the R&RHOF nominating committee for a decade, not to mention playing with Springsteen and Chuck D, presenting at the Oscars, doing his usual political advocacy, etc. In other words, he played the role of Important Rock Guy long after RATM had hits.
― jaymc, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 13:48 (nine months ago) link
Anyway: Coldplay, Linkin Park, Arcade Fire and Paramore will probably be the bands to represent Rock in the 2000s?
Probably could sub The Killers in for Arcade Fire. They sold really well in the 2000s (Hot Fuss did 6 million & Sam's Town did 4 million), still have a pretty big audience, and "Mr. Brightside" is a standard by this point.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 14:23 (nine months ago) link
Killers #'s: Worldwide, but mostly from the US BTW.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 14:29 (nine months ago) link
This thread makes me feel like an alien.
― Allen (etaeoe), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 15:56 (nine months ago) link
oh shit Satch has joined the thread!
― never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 16:01 (nine months ago) link
OK I'm still on this Foreigner thing. "Cold as Ice" really sounds like it could be a song from a musical, I'm into it
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 19:39 (nine months ago) link
one of the greats from the chipmunk sample era
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC2CHVw6twM
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 19:57 (nine months ago) link
Motörhead never really sounded like the future of anything to me - just throwback rock 'n roll turned up to 11. Never very metal either, they have always had much more in common with AC/DC and The Ramones than with Slayer or Iron Maiden.
Interesting. I see them as having a huge influence on thrash and speed metal.
I saw them on that first tour, I didn't know what to make of them. It was a small venue and they sounded like sludge.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 20:00 (nine months ago) link
m.o.p. should get in before foreigner
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 20:50 (nine months ago) link
Ante up mothafucka
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 20:51 (nine months ago) link
decided i'm gonna vote for eric b. and rakim. you can really divide rap into two eras: before paid in full and after. he changed the art of rhyming forever, and he probably still hasn't been surpassed as a pure verse writer.
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 20:52 (nine months ago) link
No Motörhead no discharge/dbeat punk
― brimstead, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 20:55 (nine months ago) link
Rudimentary Peni for the hall
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 20:58 (nine months ago) link
A man of many words… @paulmccartney. All of your votes matter! Click here: https://t.co/MwTwEsSvXB pic.twitter.com/oT26Ugu5iu— Foreigner (@ForeignerMusic) February 27, 2024
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 27 February 2024 22:15 (eight months ago) link
that kinda rules
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 27 February 2024 23:31 (eight months ago) link
To be fair, I wouldn't have put Paul in as a solo artist either.
(Also to be fair, that vote happened in 1998, and not only did his solo work vastly improve afterwards, the bar for induction was continuously lowered to a ridiculous degree.)
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 01:05 (eight months ago) link
This is the real list ? I was hoping to see Joy Division/New Order, Iron Maiden, and Devo again.
Oasis getting nominated before Smashing Pumpkins is wild. Does the Hall have a beef with the Pumpkins or something ? They seem to tick every box they usually like. All their contemporaries are already in. Green Day, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, NIN, Radiohead, even RATM, but they've never even been nominated. Seems weird to me.
― LeRooLeRoo, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 18:47 (eight months ago) link
Nobody wants to sit through Corgan's acceptance speech.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 19:08 (eight months ago) link
Sent my ballot in on Monday. Voted for Eric B. & Rakim, Jane's Addiction, Kool & the Gang, Lenny Kravitz, Sinéad O'Connor, Ozzy Osbourne, and Sade.
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 19:54 (eight months ago) link
Same here. Had they included all three, they'd be among the seven I'd vote for.
As for "this group/person before this one," that's been a recurring problem with the HOF for decades. King Crimson should've been in decades ago as the first prog group - zero nominations. When Green Day and I think Pearl Jam were inducted, they both made the same comment - why did we get in before [insert the name of any great indie band from the '80s]? The Spinners finally got in when they should've been in decades ago as the first Philly soul group induction. I love the O'Jays too, but the Spinners should've been in first. And on and on for nearly every genre.
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 19:55 (eight months ago) link
Forgot that Kool & The Gang's drummer passed away last year. I wonder if that helped get them a nomination? That's another unfortunate problem with the HOF, and I'd say the one that matters most - too many groups get inducted after key members die. The institution has rightfully been criticized for its value, but most inductees honestly take it as a very meaningful honor, and it's kind of shitty when Sterling Morrison, Ron Asheton, Whitney Houston, George Michael, etc. (all of whom reportedly truly cared about induction) never see it happen. tbh I wouldn't vote for Houston, but if she's in, she should've been able to at least enjoy that.
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 19:59 (eight months ago) link
I hate to say it, but there’s no way Sinéad would be nominated if she were still alive today. I don’t think she cared or expected it either.
― LeRooLeRoo, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 20:56 (eight months ago) link
You're probably right about Sinéad - I think she should've been in a long time ago but if she was still here, I doubt she'd take it as a honor and would probably articulate everything wrong with the institution while declining the invitation to show up.
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 21:19 (eight months ago) link
She'd ruo up a photo of Jann Wenner at the ceremony, obviously.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 21:27 (eight months ago) link
Uh..."ruo" = "rip"
― clemenza, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 21:28 (eight months ago) link
If you look at the standard keyboard, such seemingly surreal mistakes are explicable.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 21:29 (eight months ago) link
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson)
kinda surprised by your Lenny vote!
― omar little, Thursday, 29 February 2024 18:35 (eight months ago) link
No one believes in the mythology of rock 'n' roll more than Lenny Kravitz. And honestly, every one of his albums has two or three songs that are really fucking good. (They're rarely the singles, though.) A properly curated Lenny Kravitz compilation would kinda rule.
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Thursday, 29 February 2024 18:49 (eight months ago) link
I thought that said Slade and I thought, "At last!"
Only if it's pronounced "slah-DAY"
King Crimson should've been in decades ago as the first prog group - zero nominations.
Foreigner may be as close as they get, unless Bad Company get in someday (I assume ELP has as slim odds of induction as Giles, Giles and Fripp). I guess Bruford is in as a member of Yes, though surely for his work before he joined Crimson, not Union.
My latest modest proposal is that, since the Hall itself is a limited physical space, they kick out a former member for each new, improved inductee: Elvis for Cher, Hendrix for Lenny Kravitz, Beatles for Oasis and so forth. This will hopefully prevent defunct and dead acts from resting on their laurels.
I realized years ago that Oasis are my favourite musical act that I generally assume I hate. This goes beyond personal distaste to a general lack of musical respect, but nonetheless a lot of their songs, not necessarily the hits, have a mild but definite appeal to me on some pre-intellectual level. But I can't ignore that layer of antipathy, so I'm voting for A Tribe Called Quest, partly thanks to the recent insights reading Hanif Abdurraqib's Go Ahead in the Rain.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 1 March 2024 17:10 (eight months ago) link
I probably feel the same way about a lot of recording artists as I do about Oasis - I generally don't like them, but there'll be an album or some window of recording activity that I actually enjoy, and if nothing else in their career happened, I'd probably consider myself a fan of their work. Had Oasis imploded in early or mid 1996, they would've left two fine albums and quite a bit of fine B-side/non-LP material IMHO. I'd still be reluctant to call them great - they'd still sound too derivative - but it would be a consistently strong (if small) body of work.
― birdistheword, Sunday, 3 March 2024 00:14 (eight months ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Sunday, 17 March 2024 00:01 (eight months ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Monday, 18 March 2024 00:01 (eight months ago) link
Dave Matthews Band 2
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 March 2024 03:35 (eight months ago) link
I wished I voted for MJB - last place with no votes is just wrong.
If the top six get in, it would be the best group of inductees in a very long time.
― birdistheword, Monday, 18 March 2024 04:21 (eight months ago) link
been checking out early Kool & the Gang lately, particularly Live at PJs and my god they were an amazing jazzy funk band at that point
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 18 March 2024 13:22 (eight months ago) link
They were great until that shitehawk JT joined.
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Monday, 18 March 2024 13:59 (eight months ago) link
I used to hear "Celebration" at way too many 'grown up' parties when I was a kid (i.e. the ones held for the parents). When I eventually discovered "Jungle Boogie" through Pulp Fiction, I couldn't believe they were the same guys.
― birdistheword, Monday, 18 March 2024 17:08 (eight months ago) link
(Mostly the same guys I should say)
― birdistheword, Monday, 18 March 2024 17:12 (eight months ago) link
The current fan vote totals are extra unsurprising:
Dave Matthews Band 391,749Foreigner 349,366Peter Frampton 346,007Ozzy Osbourne 344,789Cher 240,383Lenny Kravitz 215,639Kool & the Gang 192,692Mariah Carey 191,224Oasis 126,190Sinéad O'Connor 119,123Sade 115,837Jane's Addiction 102,218Mary J. Blige 83,881A Tribe Called Quest 66,410Eric B. & Rakim 41,010
― Rich E. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 23:23 (seven months ago) link
Well, I take that back. I'm a little surprised Oasis are beloved K&TG and Mariah
beloved below
barf @ those results
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 23:30 (seven months ago) link
under the table and barfing
― he/him hoo-hah (map), Wednesday, 27 March 2024 00:26 (seven months ago) link
Pretty awful, for sure. If the Shangri-Las or New York Dolls were on there, guessing they'd get 17 votes between them.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 27 March 2024 00:28 (seven months ago) link
The public likes A Tribe Called Quest more than ILX does: 66,410 votes to 19!
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 27 March 2024 02:24 (seven months ago) link