Continuing with CDs?

if you're into flying the black flag one thing i've noticed about recent group releases is that a lot of them are "web rips" from tidal/qobuz/various other high quality streaming service. my question is whether these rips have actually cracked open the DRM egg that is a tidal/qobuz stream and are able to access the delicious lossless file inside, or are instead just a mic-out WAV record of a tidal stream after the digital to analogue conversion has already happened. hard to say.

back in the day some releases would advertise that it was downloaded directly from the itunes store. so at least you'd know it was 256kbps AAC.

another reason why it can be better to rip your own. you control the chain of custody. if you care about this stuff.

pretty sure people are using stream rippers for that web rip stuff, but as you say... it's not easy to know for sure

my question is whether these rips have actually cracked open the DRM egg that is a tidal/qobuz stream and are able to access the delicious lossless file inside

I haven't tested this personally, but I just looked to see what tools people have used to do this, and a quick skim of the source of a Tidal downloader seems to indicate it's downloading and decrypting. So if that one is still being used, it's cracking the egg

It's similar to the way eBook decrypters work, you (or the software) digs into the official app's code or communications with their servers and pulls your user token out which can then be used to decrypt the files/stream to allow you do whatever want with them. I would guess they're not overly worried about it because it's a pain in the ass to do it and you probably need an active subscription to keep ripping from their servers anyway. I spent a fun evening decrypting my Nook eBook files when I stopped using Nook eReaders... I'd guess that most people would give up in disgust trying to do that. It's "easy" once you've spent 4-6 hours locating all the random freeware you need to do it and working through the half-assed instructions across a dozen message boards.

i sort of assumed tidal drm was going to be really tough like widevine

Widevine is really tough... still got cracked.

Bought a new/not-used triple CD set yesterday.
Sickening.
What's going to become of me??

what was it?

that's how it always begins. very small.

It was the Steve Swell Fire Into Music Quartet w/ Jemeel Moondoc, William Parker & Hamid Drake on Rogueart.

That's a good set.

Yeah I'm excited. But also... not excited, even anxious, to start buying new CDs.

(f hazel, i have just sent to ilx-mail. nothing exciting, feel free to ignore)

Sale on hat hut-affiliated labels bringing things down to $7 mostly.
https://www.squidco.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=S&Category_Code=HATSALE

Wow thanks, that sale looks great! I had to be careful to get stuff I didn't already own, packaged with a different name so it's not always obvious (e.g. Coltrane's "One Up, One Down" at the Half Note, a bunch of Miles Davis material already released in the Columbia "bootleg" series, etc.).

Yeah, it’s a little confusing, but at $7 apiece, even if I own one half of the package in another format, it’s no big deal. I got a pair of the aylers, plus one each by Marion brown, shepp, Cecil, and Paul bley.

This could/should probably be on a different thread but... My kid got given a CD player recently, but it's got a weird 3-pin plug that I have no idea what to do with. I've tried Googling it, and I think it's called an 'alter plug' but I can't find any real advice about adapters or if I can switch it out for a 'normal' plug. Anyone got any ideas?

https://i.imgur.com/WITJv5S.png

that's a type L 3-pin plug as used in italy (and chile!)

https://www.worldstandards.eu/electricity/plugs-and-sockets/

Thanks Nick! Having a dig around, I've noticed the word Conblock on it - looks like a connector they used to use in the 90s.

https://www.hifiwigwam.com/threads/what-sort-of-plug-is-this.122336/

okay that is a different thing than I was saying, yours has a middle pin that's longer than the other two. Either way I'm guessing you can just swap it out for a standard uk plug?

says random internet reply guy who doesn't really know what he's talking about

I'm entirely here for it - you know more than me! Looks like I need a UK plug, aye. It has the correct, er, wires etc so should be fine.

hey koogs, I can help you out! ilx-mail me again with your email address

I finally got the last of my CDs that had been in storage at my folks' place for 18+ years. For me, this is 31 years of my life, all brought together for the first time.

https://musicophilia.files.wordpress.com/2024/04/20240425_234708.jpg

Getting them all organized (and reuniting the discs eith cases with booklets--I used a dozen of those binders back in the 90s to early 00s) brought a flood of memories of times, people, places, versions of myself. I was amazed how often I could remember what shop I got an album in, and when...

But I think it also cements the reality that, at this point, I'm really *not* "continuing with CDs". Because I've been 95%+ digital purchases since Covid, and almost none of the shops sell CDs in my region anymore, and--well, the shelves are completely full now.

Anybody succeeded in instituting a one-in-one-out policy with physical media?

I have, but it definitely requires some effort in the culling. I have to do it in batches where I'll go through and think "what have I not listened to in a while and may not want to keep?" I'll end up with a little stack of CD's and that'll be my primary listening for a few days. Either it'll be a nice way of rediscovering something or it'll be one for the sell pile.

@ Soundslike - that is an absolutely beautiful photo.

I got rid of my CDs about ten years ago and rather regret it. Luckily I've been able to repurchase a few given the bargain-basement second hand prices right now. Although if I did still have them I really don't have the wallspace to showcase them as lovingly as Soundslike, they'd probably be in a box/binder somewhere.

I love unboxing stuff ive stashed away somewhere for whatever reason (space, moving, travel, no current interest in etc). 18 years is a long time!

I've forever given up physical media, but pictures of full CD racks brings back the memories/feelings.

^^

love seeing your photo, Soundsalike

Two copies of Nashville!

daughter has just started doing a college radio show (streaming) and she's been going CD only, so maybe a sign of them being cool with the kids (retro!)(that looks great, Soundslike!)

getting new shelves on Monday, looking forward to having my CDs all sorted in one place for the first time in ages

I figured if anyone in the world would appreciate seeing thousands of CDs in 2024, it would be my fellow ILM oldsters in this thread! Haha!

But I love hearing your daughter is using CDs on her radio show, Bulb! Even if it means my youth is now "retro"--so it goes heh. There are a couple CDs on those shelves I "borrowed" from my college radio station when I had a show circa 1998... Do they actually still have a CD promo library at your daughter's school?

Bamboohouses, I'm sorry to hear of your regret at ditching your CDs. Based on living my whole adult life in small apartments, I'd considered ditching mine--the ones from age 24 to 41 had been schlepped around the country and stored in bankers boxes, literal useless weight... But I just hate all the streaming companies, and much as I've loved Bandcamp we see that can be precarious... So I just kept holding on. At least if/when you move, you'll have a much easier time compared to me!

Birdistheword, that's kind of what I did this time--recently bought a my first CD player in 25 years, a little discman-like (much chunkier/uglier than they were back in the late 90s, but with rechargeable built-in battery), and just put on the discs I was considering culling while I did the tedious work of rejoining discs/booklets/cases. Heard a few I liked better now than then (i.e. Flipper).

Here's what I culled--mostly duplicates (ones I bought again in later reissues), and some I'm just ditching. Not sure the best thing to do with them, but in the past I've given CDs and DVDs to the bookstore I live above who have a nice little curated vinyl-only music section. Just makes me happy to see CDs in a shop anymore--and I think they sold them all!

https://musicophilia.files.wordpress.com/2024/04/20240426_101958.jpg

Seeing that Wilco CD makes me think of the numerous Xth Anniversary Remastered Reissued Box Sets I've acquired over the years, and how I still can't seem to rid myself of the now redundant original versions of same.

I’m sure those felt 2-fers made someone very happy!

I had the same tendency, Henry. And have held on to a couple original CDs simply as mementos (like my first copy of This Heat's 'Deceit' for which I hunted far and wide in the early 2000s). And a couple where the reissues suffered from the brick-wall "remaster" era. But mostly, as with this current batch (including that Wilco, which I bought when it came out at a Best Buy of all places), I'm happy to imagine them living on and having a second life serving some precocious Gen Z music nerd to buys CDs because they're cheaper than vinyl(s) heh

The book shop downstairs said the CDs I gave them before sold very quickly, so thats where this big batch will go.

The CD revival is real! Hahaha

There are a few CDs I sold when I got remastered versions that I really wish I'd held onto. One was a mono CD of Captain Beefheart's Safe as Milk. I sold it when I got the remixed and remastered stereo version, but I've grown to dislike the way they mixed the stereo.

I still love CDs -- second hand discs are so cheap these days (undervalued IMO). I do probably need to purge a bunch of discs I'll never get around to listening to again.

I keep buying more and more cds which I play in the car to and from school so I can educate the kid. Lately he was really into Psalm 69 by ministry. Two bucks in the discount section! A steal!

Fun scanning the first photo for titles I recognize/have, where even if I can't read the spines I recognize e.g. the Can reissues from the color array and the inconsistent placement of the text across the series (I think it depended on what territory you got them from). I recognize some superseded earlier CD issues from the second photo that I got rid of, too. Kept my Stereolabs as I bought the vinyl reissues rather than the CDs, also held on to my '80s Colin Newman A-Z as I found the reissue pretty squashed/loud.

I have that Sister Rosetta Tharpe set.

And I that ESG thing on Soul Jazz, which really stands out, graphically.

Makes me wish I had followed through and bought all of those Todd Rundgren reissues on Sanctuary a decade or so ago, where all the spines formed an elongated portrait of the man, when filed in chronological order.

see also: Asmus Tietchens CD reissue series on Die Stadt

We are all the people who cannot not browse somebody's music library if we visit their house heh

If it helps in identifying discs, everything on the shelves is in pure alphabetical order by artist (though chaos order past that).

that Wilco, which I bought when it came out at a Best Buy of all places

I was explaining to someone recently about how in the '90s you could pick up practically any major label release at a Big Box store, and if you couldn't at your first stop, you could at your second (which was probably across the street/freeway).

I did buy several not used CDs from multiple online retailers last night… consumerism!! grabbed those deluxe reissues of FM’s Mirage and Tango

My favorite big box store back in the day was Media Play, they had locations in Rockford, Erie, and Buffalo. And I'm sure elsewhere. I bought so many CDs at all three locations mentioned above, the one in Rockford was the first location and I went in there and stocked up on so many '90s alt rock CDs. If they didn't have a copy, and they usually did, the Best buy across the street did. They also had a lot of techno cds, I'm pretty sure I bought almost all of my '90s techno albums at one of those. Media play cornered the market on Future sound of London east of the Mississippi iirc.