Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Monday, 18 March 2024 00:01 (six months ago) link
Dave Matthews Band 2
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 March 2024 03:35 (six months ago) link
I wished I voted for MJB - last place with no votes is just wrong.
If the top six get in, it would be the best group of inductees in a very long time.
― birdistheword, Monday, 18 March 2024 04:21 (six months ago) link
been checking out early Kool & the Gang lately, particularly Live at PJs and my god they were an amazing jazzy funk band at that point
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 18 March 2024 13:22 (six months ago) link
They were great until that shitehawk JT joined.
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Monday, 18 March 2024 13:59 (six months ago) link
I used to hear "Celebration" at way too many 'grown up' parties when I was a kid (i.e. the ones held for the parents). When I eventually discovered "Jungle Boogie" through Pulp Fiction, I couldn't believe they were the same guys.
― birdistheword, Monday, 18 March 2024 17:08 (six months ago) link
(Mostly the same guys I should say)
― birdistheword, Monday, 18 March 2024 17:12 (six months ago) link
The current fan vote totals are extra unsurprising:
Dave Matthews Band 391,749Foreigner 349,366Peter Frampton 346,007Ozzy Osbourne 344,789Cher 240,383Lenny Kravitz 215,639Kool & the Gang 192,692Mariah Carey 191,224Oasis 126,190Sinéad O'Connor 119,123Sade 115,837Jane's Addiction 102,218Mary J. Blige 83,881A Tribe Called Quest 66,410Eric B. & Rakim 41,010
― Rich E. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 23:23 (six months ago) link
Well, I take that back. I'm a little surprised Oasis are beloved K&TG and Mariah
beloved below
barf @ those results
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 23:30 (six months ago) link
under the table and barfing
― he/him hoo-hah (map), Wednesday, 27 March 2024 00:26 (six months ago) link
Pretty awful, for sure. If the Shangri-Las or New York Dolls were on there, guessing they'd get 17 votes between them.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 27 March 2024 00:28 (six months ago) link
The public likes A Tribe Called Quest more than ILX does: 66,410 votes to 19!
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 27 March 2024 02:24 (six months ago) link
I must've woken up on Bizarro Earth - those results are clearly backwards.
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 27 March 2024 05:43 (six months ago) link
NYMag's Vulture interviewed two anonymous voters again:
https://www.vulture.com/article/rock-hall-of-fame-voters-anonymous-2024-ballots.html
I think this is the third time they've done this, possibly with different voters each time out (I can't be sure, but the tone of last year's interviewees was pretty different from the year before). IIRC, only a few of their enthusiastic choices usually get voted in, and this year you see that reflected in their responses. (Both are big supporters of Eric B. & Rakim and especially A Tribe Called Quest, my top two picks as well, but they're also skeptical that enough voters will cast a vote for them.) Two to six voters isn't a big sampling size, but the ones NYMag has talked to sound like rock critics rather than iHeart employees (who do vote and have given interviews elsewhere) - it feels like another sign that the corporate presence in the voting pool has grown substantially given how poorly NYMag's interviewees have been doing with their picks.
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 18:53 (five months ago) link
possibly with different voters each time out
Can confirm. (I was one of the voters interviewed the first two times they did it.)
― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 19:25 (five months ago) link
2024 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees to Be Revealed Live on ‘American Idol’
The 2024 inductees into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame will be announced live coast-to-coast during a Rock Hall-themed episode of American Idol on Sunday (April 21).The inductees will be announced by American Idol host Ryan Seacrest along with judge (and 2022 Rock Hall inductee) Lionel Richie. The episode will air 8-10:01 p.m. ET and 5-7:01 p.m. PT on ABC, with a repeat scheduled for 8-10:01 p.m. PT on the West Coast.
The inductees will be announced by American Idol host Ryan Seacrest along with judge (and 2022 Rock Hall inductee) Lionel Richie. The episode will air 8-10:01 p.m. ET and 5-7:01 p.m. PT on ABC, with a repeat scheduled for 8-10:01 p.m. PT on the West Coast.
American Idol: Still on the air, apparently! Who knew?
― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 02:40 (five months ago) link
Blech, that says a lot. I guess Mariah Carey is a lock since she helped established their template of oversinging and focusing more on your own voice rather than how to best serve the material you’re trying to interpret.
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 04:59 (five months ago) link
Also, best selling female artist of all time - I mean that's what a Hall of Fame is for.
― Siegbran, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 12:35 (five months ago) link
these fucking clueless mariah takes which haven't changed for decades
― Left, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 12:47 (five months ago) link
I guess she's been interpretating her own material wrong all this time
― Left, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 12:48 (five months ago) link
neither of the voters int he vulture piece seemed to realize that she wrote all her own hits
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 13:00 (five months ago) link
How dare anyone not conform to poptimism orthodoxy! To the Guillotine! Rockists to the gulags!xp
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 13:02 (five months ago) link
wild that people still think she popularised gospel runs and melismas in pop (no that was fucking rock n roll), that they're a bad thing, that they're superfluous to the songs, that they're all her music is about, that she even does them much any more or ever relied on them as much as people like voter 1 (who seems unable to tell her from whitney) always claim
― Left, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 13:03 (five months ago) link
shut the fuck up about poptimism
the kneejerk mariah bashing gets to me because it was so relentless outside of pop/r&b/gay circles for so long and I thought the tide had turned in recent years and it's always just the same lazy superficial shit
― Left, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 13:09 (five months ago) link
I'd put Mariah Carey in too. But I certainly wouldn't flip out if someone thought she shouldn't be. "The tide had turned"--sweeping up every last person on earth?
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 14:40 (five months ago) link
Yes, isn't 35 years long enough for everyone to have made their decision about her? (Except me, I remain agnostic.) And I suspect "pop/r&b/gay circles" would have some pretty well-worn criticisms of those members of the Rock Hall that don't meet their standards.
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 14:48 (five months ago) link
wild that people still think she popularised gospel runs and melismas in pop (no that was fucking rock n roll), that they're a bad thing, that they're superfluous to the songs, that they're all her music is about
otm see also for example stevie wonder
― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 14:51 (five months ago) link
"the kneejerk Yes bashing gets to me because it was so relentless outside of prog-rock circles for so long and I thought the tide had turned in recent years and it's always just the same lazy superficial shit"
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 14:52 (five months ago) link
― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Monday, April 15, 2024 10:40 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
Only 3 more years until the first American Idol contestants are eligible for the HoF
― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 14:52 (five months ago) link
“Some people wait a lifetime 25 years after the release of their first record / For a moment like this”
― rendered nugatory (morrisp), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 15:10 (five months ago) link
I’m happy we’ve finally found a venue brave enough to recognize Mariah Carey.
― Allen (etaeoe), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 15:19 (five months ago) link
Always Be My Baby came on the other day and i sang along reflexively. I love 90s Mariah, didn't keep up as much in the 21st century though that's not an indictment, I just don't know the material.
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 15:33 (five months ago) link
I suspect "pop/r&b/gay circles" would have some pretty well-worn criticisms of those members of the Rock Hall that don't meet their standards
Yeah, but those criticisms are right
― Rich E. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 15:38 (five months ago) link
I bet there are also significant numbers of Aretha or Minnie Riperton fans who also aren't fond of Mariah.
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 15:50 (five months ago) link
I hated Mariah Carey when she emerged, with exceptions ("Someday," "Fantasy," "My All"), but then I came out and wisdom descended on me.
This happened to me last week but with "Shake It Off."
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 15:54 (five months ago) link
condolences
I wish people talked more about minnie riperton as well! and talked better about aretha franklin! and the presence or both in mariah's music but especially minnie
not sure why I was so aggro earlier probably mostly about something else but for some reason mariah carey was the musical bogeywoman for all the indie nerds I used to know and I don't get it. kind of but not really. wouldn't be surprised if some of them got on board by the time caution came out and then realized how great the glitter soundtrack was and how it bridged older r&b and later mixtape culture and now stans
― Left, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 17:47 (five months ago) link
*are now stans
― Left, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 17:48 (five months ago) link
Mariah has received a lot of misogynist/rockist/stupid criticism, particularly after the New Year's debacle that wasn't her fault. So I get being defensive about her
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 17:59 (five months ago) link
I think she’s cool as an icon/cultural figure/etc., I’ve just never connected with her music… her voice doesn’t hit for me, for whatever reason (and I love pop/r&b vocals). I’m not an RRHOF voter, though.
― rendered nugatory (morrisp), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 18:37 (five months ago) link
I'll give the '90s hits another shot (or any deep cuts that might be overlooked) but her records haven't connected with me either. I listen to a LOT of R&B and soul, especially my favorite Aretha, and also a good deal of gospel like Mahalia Jackson. I won't deny that Carey has an extremely impressive vocal range, but so far her singing just leaves me cold and comes off as simply stentorian. I doubt doubt there are "rockists" who are prejudiced, but as Halfway mentioned, it's completely inaccurate to say anyone who isn't taken by her music is doing so out of an inclination for rock music. What I love most about Aretha, or Mavis, or Mahalia, or Nina Simone or Jill Scott or Erykah Badu and on and on aren't qualities I usually hear in the rock music I listen to - if anything, I'm much more likely to hear them to varying degrees in jazz, if at all.
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 19:06 (five months ago) link
i'm sure Mariah will get in, i liked her debut album well enough though i was never really in love with it enough to want to follow her career after that. it's hard to get too worked up about her, she's pretty likable and such a massive figure in pop music that it objectively makes sense for her to be inducted.
― omar little, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 19:11 (five months ago) link
Ambient w/ Mariah vox, love thishttps://midnightmoontapes.bandcamp.com/track/transparency
― calstars, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 20:50 (five months ago) link
"Focusing more on your own voice rather than how to best serve the material you’re trying to interpret" is absolutely a criticism that could be levelled at Mahalia Jackson or Aretha Franklin too - I wouldn't, but their voices are often front and centre just as much as Mariah's ever been - and as a critique of melisma I think it's rockist regardless of whether the ppl making it like rock music or not.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 09:47 (five months ago) link
it's a criticism that could be levelled at john coltrane
― Left, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 13:08 (five months ago) link
I wouldn't call it rockist but I would call it a misunderstanding of certain kinds of R&B. I suspect this thread has enough people who grew up in the '90s not knowing what to do with Whitney Houston either. Aaliyah was not in that Houston-Carey tradition. Mary J. Blige, Toni Braxton, Deborah Cox -- they belted or under-sang as the occasion demanded.
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 13:19 (five months ago) link
What I love most about Aretha, or Mavis, or Mahalia, or Nina Simone or Jill Scott or Erykah Badu and on and on aren't qualities I usually hear in the rock music I listen to - if anything, I'm much more likely to hear them to varying degrees in jazz, if at all.
Her biggest hit of the '00s has cool unexpected stresses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrRj_FXclKQ
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 13:21 (five months ago) link
i like Whitney Houston but never really got Mariah, I then Houston is a better singer by far
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 13:29 (five months ago) link