Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees 2024

under the table and barfing

Pretty awful, for sure. If the Shangri-Las or New York Dolls were on there, guessing they'd get 17 votes between them.

The public likes A Tribe Called Quest more than ILX does: 66,410 votes to 19!

I must've woken up on Bizarro Earth - those results are clearly backwards.

NYMag's Vulture interviewed two anonymous voters again:

https://www.vulture.com/article/rock-hall-of-fame-voters-anonymous-2024-ballots.html

I think this is the third time they've done this, possibly with different voters each time out (I can't be sure, but the tone of last year's interviewees was pretty different from the year before). IIRC, only a few of their enthusiastic choices usually get voted in, and this year you see that reflected in their responses. (Both are big supporters of Eric B. & Rakim and especially A Tribe Called Quest, my top two picks as well, but they're also skeptical that enough voters will cast a vote for them.) Two to six voters isn't a big sampling size, but the ones NYMag has talked to sound like rock critics rather than iHeart employees (who do vote and have given interviews elsewhere) - it feels like another sign that the corporate presence in the voting pool has grown substantially given how poorly NYMag's interviewees have been doing with their picks.

possibly with different voters each time out

Can confirm. (I was one of the voters interviewed the first two times they did it.)

2024 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees to Be Revealed Live on ‘American Idol’

The 2024 inductees into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame will be announced live coast-to-coast during a Rock Hall-themed episode of American Idol on Sunday (April 21).

The inductees will be announced by American Idol host Ryan Seacrest along with judge (and 2022 Rock Hall inductee) Lionel Richie. The episode will air 8-10:01 p.m. ET and 5-7:01 p.m. PT on ABC, with a repeat scheduled for 8-10:01 p.m. PT on the West Coast.

American Idol: Still on the air, apparently! Who knew?

Blech, that says a lot. I guess Mariah Carey is a lock since she helped established their template of oversinging and focusing more on your own voice rather than how to best serve the material you’re trying to interpret.

Also, best selling female artist of all time - I mean that's what a Hall of Fame is for.

these fucking clueless mariah takes which haven't changed for decades

I guess she's been interpretating her own material wrong all this time

neither of the voters int he vulture piece seemed to realize that she wrote all her own hits

How dare anyone not conform to poptimism orthodoxy! To the Guillotine! Rockists to the gulags!
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wild that people still think she popularised gospel runs and melismas in pop (no that was fucking rock n roll), that they're a bad thing, that they're superfluous to the songs, that they're all her music is about, that she even does them much any more or ever relied on them as much as people like voter 1 (who seems unable to tell her from whitney) always claim

shut the fuck up about poptimism

the kneejerk mariah bashing gets to me because it was so relentless outside of pop/r&b/gay circles for so long and I thought the tide had turned in recent years and it's always just the same lazy superficial shit

I'd put Mariah Carey in too. But I certainly wouldn't flip out if someone thought she shouldn't be. "The tide had turned"--sweeping up every last person on earth?

Yes, isn't 35 years long enough for everyone to have made their decision about her? (Except me, I remain agnostic.) And I suspect "pop/r&b/gay circles" would have some pretty well-worn criticisms of those members of the Rock Hall that don't meet their standards.

wild that people still think she popularised gospel runs and melismas in pop (no that was fucking rock n roll), that they're a bad thing, that they're superfluous to the songs, that they're all her music is about

otm see also for example stevie wonder

"the kneejerk Yes bashing gets to me because it was so relentless outside of prog-rock circles for so long and I thought the tide had turned in recent years and it's always just the same lazy superficial shit"

American Idol: Still on the air, apparently! Who knew?

― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Monday, April 15, 2024 10:40 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Only 3 more years until the first American Idol contestants are eligible for the HoF

“Some people wait a lifetime 25 years after the release of their first record / For a moment like this”

I’m happy we’ve finally found a venue brave enough to recognize Mariah Carey.

Always Be My Baby came on the other day and i sang along reflexively. I love 90s Mariah, didn't keep up as much in the 21st century though that's not an indictment, I just don't know the material.

I suspect "pop/r&b/gay circles" would have some pretty well-worn criticisms of those members of the Rock Hall that don't meet their standards

Yeah, but those criticisms are right

I bet there are also significant numbers of Aretha or Minnie Riperton fans who also aren't fond of Mariah.

I hated Mariah Carey when she emerged, with exceptions ("Someday," "Fantasy," "My All"), but then I came out and wisdom descended on me.

Always Be My Baby came on the other day and i sang along reflexively. I love 90s Mariah, didn't keep up as much in the 21st century though that's not an indictment, I just don't know the material.

This happened to me last week but with "Shake It Off."

condolences

I wish people talked more about minnie riperton as well! and talked better about aretha franklin! and the presence or both in mariah's music but especially minnie

not sure why I was so aggro earlier probably mostly about something else but for some reason mariah carey was the musical bogeywoman for all the indie nerds I used to know and I don't get it. kind of but not really. wouldn't be surprised if some of them got on board by the time caution came out and then realized how great the glitter soundtrack was and how it bridged older r&b and later mixtape culture and now stans

*are now stans

Mariah has received a lot of misogynist/rockist/stupid criticism, particularly after the New Year's debacle that wasn't her fault. So I get being defensive about her

I think she’s cool as an icon/cultural figure/etc., I’ve just never connected with her music… her voice doesn’t hit for me, for whatever reason (and I love pop/r&b vocals). I’m not an RRHOF voter, though.

I'll give the '90s hits another shot (or any deep cuts that might be overlooked) but her records haven't connected with me either. I listen to a LOT of R&B and soul, especially my favorite Aretha, and also a good deal of gospel like Mahalia Jackson. I won't deny that Carey has an extremely impressive vocal range, but so far her singing just leaves me cold and comes off as simply stentorian. I doubt doubt there are "rockists" who are prejudiced, but as Halfway mentioned, it's completely inaccurate to say anyone who isn't taken by her music is doing so out of an inclination for rock music. What I love most about Aretha, or Mavis, or Mahalia, or Nina Simone or Jill Scott or Erykah Badu and on and on aren't qualities I usually hear in the rock music I listen to - if anything, I'm much more likely to hear them to varying degrees in jazz, if at all.

i'm sure Mariah will get in, i liked her debut album well enough though i was never really in love with it enough to want to follow her career after that. it's hard to get too worked up about her, she's pretty likable and such a massive figure in pop music that it objectively makes sense for her to be inducted.

Ambient w/ Mariah vox, love this

https://midnightmoontapes.bandcamp.com/track/transparency

"Focusing more on your own voice rather than how to best serve the material you’re trying to interpret" is absolutely a criticism that could be levelled at Mahalia Jackson or Aretha Franklin too - I wouldn't, but their voices are often front and centre just as much as Mariah's ever been - and as a critique of melisma I think it's rockist regardless of whether the ppl making it like rock music or not.

it's a criticism that could be levelled at john coltrane

I wouldn't call it rockist but I would call it a misunderstanding of certain kinds of R&B. I suspect this thread has enough people who grew up in the '90s not knowing what to do with Whitney Houston either. Aaliyah was not in that Houston-Carey tradition. Mary J. Blige, Toni Braxton, Deborah Cox -- they belted or under-sang as the occasion demanded.

What I love most about Aretha, or Mavis, or Mahalia, or Nina Simone or Jill Scott or Erykah Badu and on and on aren't qualities I usually hear in the rock music I listen to - if anything, I'm much more likely to hear them to varying degrees in jazz, if at all.

Her biggest hit of the '00s has cool unexpected stresses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrRj_FXclKQ

i like Whitney Houston but never really got Mariah, I then Houston is a better singer by far

I love Mary J too, I dunno Mariah leaves me cold

Same here re: Whitney… her appeal, I totally get.

I think one of the arguments for Mariah in the HOF, apart from her massive sales and chart success, is her role in fusing pop/R&B with hip-hop starting in the mid-1990s. (You can make the same argument for Mary J. Blige, obv.)

What I love most about Aretha, or Mavis, or Mahalia, or Nina Simone or Jill Scott or Erykah Badu

by “rockist” i think everyone’s saying your argument is based on bullshit standards of authenticity

, is her role in fusing pop/R&B with hip-hop starting in the mid-1990s. (You can make the same argument for Mary J. Blige, obv.)

― jaymc, Wednesday, April 17, 2024 9:08 AM (twenty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i mean you can make a much better case for Mary and many others who got there when Mariah was still doing vision of love type stuff not to mention all the new jack swing stuff, jody watley, many others, if anything she was chasing a trend not setting it

Sure, but that's like saying Bowie and Madonna deserves less credit for chasing trends. It doesn't matter -- they popularized it, individualized them.

Besides, Carey was outselling Blige by 10 to 1, not that Mary was a sales slouch.

i mean en vogue fer chrissakes, "hold on" was out in 1990

well, okay so one minute she's setting a trend according to the mariah hive, i point out that it is incorrect, then she's david bowie reimagining these trends

also all the stuff i mentioned was super popular! not just mary j

i like mary j more than mariah but i can't imagine a mary j fan not liking the emancipation of mimi. as alfred shared above, that album really does play against a lot of the things that seem to bother mariah's haters in this thread

i don't hate mariah i just don't really see what the big deal is

also people keep inventing things that are ahistorical and it's annoying