Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees 2024

To be fair, it does get into a common trap when someone criticizes something they don't particularly like. (Ex: "I hate this group because they all sound like they're trying to impress each other." I say this with confidence because I know exactly what they're all thinking.) We're ultimately reacting to the singer's musical taste - I don't mean musical in a broad sense like style or genre, but musical as in "I want to draw this verse out" or "let's slow this down" or "I'm going to belt the chorus out because it needs it." Not that any of that's necessarily articulated, it's probably mostly instinctual and the singer just does it.

"Always Be My Baby" was playing in Vons earlier... Do do doop do doop da dum

The 2024 inductees:

Mary J. Blige
Cher
Foreigner
Peter Frampton
Kool & the Gang
Dave Matthews Band
Ozzy Osbourne
A Tribe Called Quest

Musical Excellence category:

Jimmy Buffett
MC5
Dionne Warwick
Norman Whitfield

Musical Influence Award:

Alexis Korner
John Mayall
Big Mama Thornton

good for tribe, no need to watch this year!

Dionne!

MC5!

Happy Dionne Warwick's been recognized (never mind a couple of those names on the induction list--ugh), but it still feels like the side door. With the baseball HOF, I think that after enough time passes, the distinction between election by the writers and election by the veteran's committee starts to fade. I know Chick Hafey's a HOF'er, but I'd have to check to see how he got in there. I don't know if the same dynamic is true for the Rock and Roll HOF. I hope so.

i'll take dionne in the hall any way she can get in, and "musical excellence" actually makes sense for her. one of the all-time great voices. (but, um, jimmy buffett, wut.)

total number of women who have been honored for musical excellence in the 24 years the category has existed: three.

dionne. chaka khan. patti scialfa. they, collectively, are the only musically excellent women in the history of rock (and hip-hop, r&b, pop, etc) according to the rock and roll hall of fame.

total number of men honored for musical excellence *this year*: seven.

I don't know Alexis Korner's music--I know the name--but John Mayall and Big Mama Thornton are good influence picks.

When categories outside the main Performer category were called Early Influence and Sidemen, it definitely felt like the inductees were in a different tier. Those categories were created for people who *wouldn't* typically be considered otherwise. But now that they've been renamed Musical Influence and Musical Excellence (names that are vaguer in their intention) and include inductees who'd previously been nominated in the main category, I think there's less of a distinction to be made. To the extent that anyone actually does think about this stuff, I doubt that Chaka Khan and Kraftwerk will seem like they have asterisks next to their name.

Alexis Korner helped get the Stones together, and as a Brit Blues guy he predates even Mayall...probably influenced him too.

I doubt that Chaka Khan and Kraftwerk will seem like they have asterisks next to their name.

they will live on with a different kind of asterisk, which will denote "artists the hall's voters were too dumb to vote for."

(xpost) Read up on him a bit--said the first band Mayall joined in the early '60s was fronted by two guys trying to emulate Korner.

jaymc, sounds very much like how the VC functions for the baseball HOF: to make amends for people who were on the writer's ballot but passed over. I assume it's also a separate (and much smaller) body of people that chooses Musical Excellence? The biggest problem with baseball's VC committee has always been ex-players and managers voting in friends...a non-issue with the R&R HOF, I'm guessing, partly because we know Kraftwerk doesn't have friends.

I mean Mayall and Alexis are fine but a lot of that British blues stuff feels like NBA players who played when the league was still segregated

The 2024 inductees:

Mary J. Blige
Cher
Foreigner
Peter Frampton
Kool & the Gang
Dave Matthews Band
Ozzy Osbourne
A Tribe Called Quest

A rock and roll Murders’ Row. As an accelerationist, I strongly approve of these inductees.

I love the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame voters because they make the Baseball Hall of Fame voters look sensible. Every year we complain about the handful of baseball voters using their votes to ax grind, but the rock and roll voters exclusively ax grind. It’s incredible.

Musical Excellence category:

MC5

― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Monday, 22 April 2024 00:51 (fourteen hours ago) link

Classic HOF timing, right after Wayne Kramer and John Sinclair die

foreigner is one of the worst bands of all time

i guess they're the harold baines of the rock hall

apt!

You're a lot more charitable than I am when it comes to Foreigner, Dave Matthews, and even Peter Frampton, zillion-dollar live album notwithstanding--Colby Rasmus, maybe.

yeah baines was a useful player for a while, apologies to him

Foreigner is Dante Bichette, superficially impressive replacement level types. basically a boring Journey. zero hate bc i feel nothing.

lmao at Dante Bichette reference, thanking you

Dave Matthews Band is Dave Valle

Classic HOF timing, right after Wayne Kramer and John Sinclair die

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lol my first thought too, almost feels vaguely insulting

“waiting for a girl like you” is probably the greatest piece of music ever recorded but foreigner is pretty meh otherwise

this is the RNR HOF we get, they're starting to lean more heavily on the most basic corporate retreat rock music over the stuff that hits really hard. i know i bang on about Foo Fighters a lot but i think it's because they kind of represent that trend, they're basically just a band that really is a major zero. kind of the new Foreigner vs being a worthy Nirvana successor. i guess like Foreigner they have probably two great songs.

it's nice to see Tribe and KATG and Mary J get in, and Ozzy put out enough classic solo material for me to be cool with it.

i don't even care that Sinead or Sade didn't make it, they can carry on above and beyond that shit forever.

Above and beyond alliteration, Foreigner/Foo Fighters is a good match.

i say yay Foreigner for Lou Gramm only :D

Ian McDonald joining the Hall as a member of Foreigner and not King Crimson is the craziest oddity of this batch.

“waiting for a girl like you” is probably the greatest piece of music ever recorded but foreigner is pretty meh otherwise

it’s ok, that 5-chord transition into the chorus is heavenly tho

Dollar Bin Heroes (With POLLS In Their Eyes!): The Best...and Beyond of Foreigner

I would’ve enjoyed Sinead to be chosen just as a fist in the face of christianity but we can’t win them all.

it just seems absurd to have a Hall of Fame without your best selling female artist

That would be Madonna by far, followed by Céline Dion. And you know Céline isn’t ever going to be even nominated.

I'm seeing Celine placing well outside the top 5 best-selling female artists, but no, I also don't see them nominating Rihanna any time soon either

such a drag to see the daveheads finally get their way

rihanna will get in when the millennials take over in 2050 or so if this thing is still staggering on

it might have become an actual religion by that point (is rockism taken?)

All too well

I'm seeing Celine placing well outside the top 5 best-selling female artists

Depends if your talking global or US. Even there, she's at least Top 5.

She's #7 according to this list:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists

I always thought Rihanna would breeze in (up for election in 2030). Critical support (however you define it) seems to matter less and less, but I think she's had more than Mariah Carey, no? (Who, again, I would have put in--though behind Sinead O'Connor.)

Give Taylor a couple weeks and I think she knocks Celine out of the 5

Critical support (however you define it) seems to matter less and less, but I think she's had more than Mariah Carey, no?

To the extent that this is true, I think it's only because Rihanna emerged at a time when critics were less snobby about Mariah's style of pop music. In retrospect, it's insane that the first time Mariah placed on a Pazz & Jop singles list was "We Belong Together" in 2005. So yeah, Rihanna received more critical love from the jump -- for her singles, at least. At the same time, none of her albums are higher than a 75 on Metacritic (even though I know that people think ANTI was a masterpiece). So it's hard for me to see her as a shoo-in, especially now that Mariah -- who's been around long enough to be considered an icon -- didn't make it.

"Mariah's style of pop music" should probably be "certain styles of pop music." Obv. Rihanna isn't working in the same vein as Mariah, other than the broad genre of pop/R&B. I suppose if Rihanna had debuted in 1990, she might have been appreciated by the same critics who derided Mariah Carey. But I also think that by the time she did debut in the mid-2000s, there weren't as many critical barriers.

I think that's all true, but I will point out that TLC did well through the '90s on Pazz & Jop singles voting, even if Mariah Carey didn't:

1992 - #12
1993 - #4 & #8
1999 - #1 & #12

Outside of TLC, not much inside the Top 10.

I think Rihanna would have well too, but just a guess.

(Not much female pop/R&B, that is.)