Let us go then, you and I/When the evening is spread out against the sky/Like a tight end playing in the Super Bowl -- The Tortured Poets Department, Taylor Swift, April 19

I don't think I can recall a single instance when speculation of a surprise second album hot on the heals of a new release actually came true.

I also think releasing two at the same time would surely drag the streaming numbers for the "new" one, you'd think she'd want to make sure to juice those as much as possible for the first weekend. I could see her announcing the future release date for it at midnight or something though.

Are we sure it was the actual album that leaked and not the ILX Pre-Covers version?

OK I'm still not commenting personally but here's my Taylor-skeptic son's take (which I don't necessarily share): "It sounds like she's going for local-coffee-house but it's giving Starbucks."

my 13 yr old niece pronounced taylor "mid" at easter so maybe the backlash has begun with the youngsters

Either that or she's, you know, thirteen. (I think I started to really differentiate my tastes some around then!)

My younger daughter (now 16) really hasn't been talking about it at all, and not too long ago noted Swift's overexposure, but she is apparently still having friends over for a "listening party" this Saturday.

I don't think I can recall a single instance when speculation of a surprise second album hot on the heals of a new release actually came true.

― MarkoP, Thursday, April 18, 2024 5:06 PM (fifty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Just happened with Future/metro

Well those were announced on the same day(?) The theory here is that there are pallets full of "Reputation (TV)" CDs sitting in the back of every Target store in the nation right now, ready to be unloaded tonight, and no one has snuck a pic or told a friend etc.

just thankful it wasn't "Fortnite (ft. Post Malone)"

i wouldn't have expected it to be the single and there isn't any sort of lyrical reference to fortnite or wordplay there

Interestingly enough my 12 year old son also said tonight that, “no one listens to Taylor anymore, she’s mid and no one likes that she flies her private jet everywhere”, so maybe there is something to that age group.

Ned Raggett at 4:58 18 Apr 24

Either that or she's, you know, thirteen. (I think I started to really differentiate my tastes some around then!)


well I know she likes other pop stuff specifically Olivia. Rodrigo and Weekend cuz those were on her Xmas list

Oh I’m sorry, I misread her Fortnight post lol… I guess she didn’t mention Fortnite (there’s a slight possibility I don’t know the spelling of either word).

I was so swept up in her talking about the magic of Post Malone

FWIW my 13 year old says "Actually everyone likes Taylor Swift but some people lie and say they don't like Taylor Swift to try to be cool and different"

Got me there. I was trying to be cool and different. :(

How dare you

It would seem to me to be almost inevitable that TS’s omnipresence within popular culture would make her an obvious target for oppositional self-identification for young people. That’s not to say there’s no good reason for it, but that I think it would happen regardless of TS’s aesthetic choices at this point.

Interesting to think that her musical career has now been going longer than Madonna circa Ray of Light or even Music.

holy shit is that right?!? that amazes me.

It's true. 18 years since her debut album now.

Well Post Malone is mostly a ghostly presence so I take that as a positive.

i'm so depressed i act like it's my birthday!!!
every day!!!

i'm so obsessed with him but he avoids me!!!
like the plague!!!

i take back what i said about the title track’s lyrics, reflexively cringed at the dylan thomas and patti smith name drops and that line about charlie puth, but im embracing my cringe, and by extension taylor swift’s, but it also does the “white horse” thing, where they fail to live up to these images they’ve romanticized, they’re just two idiots. i never found love in the city. i just sat in self-pity and cried in the car

― ivy., Thursday, 18 April 2024 03:00 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah I think these lyrics actually work okay for this reason. The vibe reminds me of "Gold Rush" and "At dinner parties I call you out on your contrarian shit", TS implicitly poking fun at the song's narrator even as she is explicitly poking fun at the song's object.

All that chat about the Blue Nile reference a lot today but the truth is it actually SOUNDS a lot like Hats in certain ways out of the gate. (Also, so far, this is an ultimate 'iron fist/velvet glove' experience in terms of lyrics-vs-music.)

yeah, that's why i was like 'oh this is her best album' immediately

In terms of her generational appeal, she's a core Millennial. Which means she reaches easily to Zoomers (who grew up with her) and over time built a sizable Xer fanbase and even to a limited degree Boomers. (My parents have mostly ignored her but they really liked "You Need to Calm Down.") But for younger kids, she's their parents' music. So some will like her and some will think she's lame.

My very short reaction to a few listens is that I think this is good. I like the vibe a lot more than Midnights, but I need to listen more to figure out why. A few songs jumped out but I feel like more will.

who's gonna hooooooooooooooold you

But Daddy I Love Him might be the first time she’s really addressed the shitty behaviour of some of her fans? Honestly, it’s satisfying.

but you should see your faces!

Sophistipop!

"My friends all smell like weed or little babies" lol

so real

i'm glad everyone here will get to experience "guilty as sin?"

which i am thinking of as part of a triptych with "treacherous" and "dress"; barely-contained desire, in fact the act of attempting to contain it is a pretense, a performance that falls apart immediately. also just a great song about masturbation

i keep recalling things
we nev
er did
messy top lip kiss
how i long for our tryst

my bedsheets are ablaze
i screamed
his name
building up like waves
crashing over my grave

Amazing comparison from Molly Knight on Bluesky:

The Tortured Poets Department is Taylor Swift’s Boys for Pele and Matty Healy is her Trent Reznor and “The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived” is her “Caught a Lite Sneeze.”

if this was her boys for pele it'd be even better though

Gotta say I really like “loml”

lol glenn kotche is on this?

Holy shit @ "But Daddy I Love Him".

The very last lines of the album brought me up short.

it’s early but if there’s something i don’t completely love about the album it’s that the hardcore breakup songs feel so personal and full of pointed invective that i find it hard to find my own place in them. musically they’re two of the best songs on the record, “so long, london”’s quick low key panic attack pulse really makes it the ideal portrait of feeling abandoned in a relationship you’ve devoted years of your life to, and “smallest man”’s late-song power ballad explosion/collapse does make it feel like a less patient “all too well” but it’s still kinda fun to listen her totally murder whoever she’s talking about. it must feel so weird to be in this relationship that is theoretically a break from your fucked up crazy life and then it ends up being exactly like your fucked up crazy life, a performance under glass

i think “loml” is almost of a piece with these songs but it’s got just a little more dimension to it, probably because it’s living as much in the dream of the relationship as in the raw reality of its end. and she sort of does the thing in where in the chorus she’ll turn a phrase around as if it were an object in her hands so the light hits it from different angles, in this case it’s “the love of my life” converting into “the loss of my life”… makes u think…..

…and now there’s a 31-track version online too.

oh fuck there’s a deluxe version of this with fifteen additional tracks. taylor swift i need sleep in order to not experience mood disorders

Just got done listening to the first one w my daughter trying to decide if I should tell her or not.

the second album rumour was real???

and “smallest man”’s late-song power ballad explosion/collapse does make it feel like a less patient “all too well” but it’s still kinda fun to listen her totally murder whoever she’s talking about

It's almost certainly about Matty Healy, right?

how did she have time for this

uh there are so many sexy songs about matty healy on this album that i don’t think “smallest man” is about him but whatever i don’t really want to know