I don't know Alexis Korner's music--I know the name--but John Mayall and Big Mama Thornton are good influence picks.
― clemenza, Monday, 22 April 2024 02:25 (five months ago) link
When categories outside the main Performer category were called Early Influence and Sidemen, it definitely felt like the inductees were in a different tier. Those categories were created for people who *wouldn't* typically be considered otherwise. But now that they've been renamed Musical Influence and Musical Excellence (names that are vaguer in their intention) and include inductees who'd previously been nominated in the main category, I think there's less of a distinction to be made. To the extent that anyone actually does think about this stuff, I doubt that Chaka Khan and Kraftwerk will seem like they have asterisks next to their name.
― jaymc, Monday, 22 April 2024 02:27 (five months ago) link
Alexis Korner helped get the Stones together, and as a Brit Blues guy he predates even Mayall...probably influenced him too.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 22 April 2024 02:29 (five months ago) link
I doubt that Chaka Khan and Kraftwerk will seem like they have asterisks next to their name.
they will live on with a different kind of asterisk, which will denote "artists the hall's voters were too dumb to vote for."
― fact checking cuz, Monday, 22 April 2024 02:31 (five months ago) link
(xpost) Read up on him a bit--said the first band Mayall joined in the early '60s was fronted by two guys trying to emulate Korner.
jaymc, sounds very much like how the VC functions for the baseball HOF: to make amends for people who were on the writer's ballot but passed over. I assume it's also a separate (and much smaller) body of people that chooses Musical Excellence? The biggest problem with baseball's VC committee has always been ex-players and managers voting in friends...a non-issue with the R&R HOF, I'm guessing, partly because we know Kraftwerk doesn't have friends.
― clemenza, Monday, 22 April 2024 02:58 (five months ago) link
I mean Mayall and Alexis are fine but a lot of that British blues stuff feels like NBA players who played when the league was still segregated
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 April 2024 03:18 (five months ago) link
The 2024 inductees:Mary J. BligeCherForeignerPeter FramptonKool & the GangDave Matthews BandOzzy OsbourneA Tribe Called Quest
Mary J. BligeCherForeignerPeter FramptonKool & the GangDave Matthews BandOzzy OsbourneA Tribe Called Quest
A rock and roll Murders’ Row. As an accelerationist, I strongly approve of these inductees.
― Allen (etaeoe), Monday, 22 April 2024 13:32 (five months ago) link
I love the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame voters because they make the Baseball Hall of Fame voters look sensible. Every year we complain about the handful of baseball voters using their votes to ax grind, but the rock and roll voters exclusively ax grind. It’s incredible.
― Allen (etaeoe), Monday, 22 April 2024 13:44 (five months ago) link
Musical Excellence category:
MC5
― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Monday, 22 April 2024 00:51 (fourteen hours ago) link
Classic HOF timing, right after Wayne Kramer and John Sinclair die
― chr1sb3singer, Monday, 22 April 2024 15:15 (five months ago) link
foreigner is one of the worst bands of all time
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Monday, 22 April 2024 15:19 (five months ago) link
i guess they're the harold baines of the rock hall
apt!
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 22 April 2024 15:58 (five months ago) link
You're a lot more charitable than I am when it comes to Foreigner, Dave Matthews, and even Peter Frampton, zillion-dollar live album notwithstanding--Colby Rasmus, maybe.
― clemenza, Monday, 22 April 2024 17:14 (five months ago) link
yeah baines was a useful player for a while, apologies to him
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Monday, 22 April 2024 17:21 (five months ago) link
Foreigner is Dante Bichette, superficially impressive replacement level types. basically a boring Journey. zero hate bc i feel nothing.
― omar little, Monday, 22 April 2024 17:22 (five months ago) link
lmao at Dante Bichette reference, thanking you
― ain't nothin but a brie thing, baby (Neanderthal), Monday, 22 April 2024 17:25 (five months ago) link
Dave Matthews Band is Dave Valle
Classic HOF timing, right after Wayne Kramer and John Sinclair die― chr1sb3singer, Monday, April 22, 2024 11:15 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― chr1sb3singer, Monday, April 22, 2024 11:15 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
lol my first thought too, almost feels vaguely insulting
― waste of compute (One Eye Open), Monday, 22 April 2024 17:26 (five months ago) link
“waiting for a girl like you” is probably the greatest piece of music ever recorded but foreigner is pretty meh otherwise
― brimstead, Monday, 22 April 2024 17:28 (five months ago) link
this is the RNR HOF we get, they're starting to lean more heavily on the most basic corporate retreat rock music over the stuff that hits really hard. i know i bang on about Foo Fighters a lot but i think it's because they kind of represent that trend, they're basically just a band that really is a major zero. kind of the new Foreigner vs being a worthy Nirvana successor. i guess like Foreigner they have probably two great songs.
it's nice to see Tribe and KATG and Mary J get in, and Ozzy put out enough classic solo material for me to be cool with it.
i don't even care that Sinead or Sade didn't make it, they can carry on above and beyond that shit forever.
― omar little, Monday, 22 April 2024 17:30 (five months ago) link
Above and beyond alliteration, Foreigner/Foo Fighters is a good match.
― clemenza, Monday, 22 April 2024 17:58 (five months ago) link
i say yay Foreigner for Lou Gramm only :D
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 22 April 2024 18:43 (five months ago) link
Ian McDonald joining the Hall as a member of Foreigner and not King Crimson is the craziest oddity of this batch.
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 22 April 2024 18:57 (five months ago) link
― calstars, Monday, 22 April 2024 19:20 (five months ago) link
it’s ok, that 5-chord transition into the chorus is heavenly tho
― brimstead, Monday, 22 April 2024 19:55 (five months ago) link
Dollar Bin Heroes (With POLLS In Their Eyes!): The Best...and Beyond of Foreigner
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 22 April 2024 20:02 (five months ago) link
I would’ve enjoyed Sinead to be chosen just as a fist in the face of christianity but we can’t win them all.
― Siegbran, Monday, 22 April 2024 21:16 (five months ago) link
it just seems absurd to have a Hall of Fame without your best selling female artist
That would be Madonna by far, followed by Céline Dion. And you know Céline isn’t ever going to be even nominated.
― LeRooLeRoo, Thursday, 25 April 2024 14:34 (five months ago) link
I'm seeing Celine placing well outside the top 5 best-selling female artists, but no, I also don't see them nominating Rihanna any time soon either
― Rich E. (Eric H.), Thursday, 25 April 2024 14:38 (five months ago) link
such a drag to see the daveheads finally get their way
― Left, Thursday, 25 April 2024 14:42 (five months ago) link
rihanna will get in when the millennials take over in 2050 or so if this thing is still staggering on
― Left, Thursday, 25 April 2024 14:44 (five months ago) link
it might have become an actual religion by that point (is rockism taken?)
― Left, Thursday, 25 April 2024 14:50 (five months ago) link
All too well
― Rich E. (Eric H.), Thursday, 25 April 2024 15:13 (five months ago) link
I'm seeing Celine placing well outside the top 5 best-selling female artists
Depends if your talking global or US. Even there, she's at least Top 5.
― LeRooLeRoo, Thursday, 25 April 2024 17:35 (five months ago) link
She's #7 according to this list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists
I always thought Rihanna would breeze in (up for election in 2030). Critical support (however you define it) seems to matter less and less, but I think she's had more than Mariah Carey, no? (Who, again, I would have put in--though behind Sinead O'Connor.)
― clemenza, Thursday, 25 April 2024 17:42 (five months ago) link
Give Taylor a couple weeks and I think she knocks Celine out of the 5
― Rich E. (Eric H.), Thursday, 25 April 2024 17:45 (five months ago) link
Critical support (however you define it) seems to matter less and less, but I think she's had more than Mariah Carey, no?
To the extent that this is true, I think it's only because Rihanna emerged at a time when critics were less snobby about Mariah's style of pop music. In retrospect, it's insane that the first time Mariah placed on a Pazz & Jop singles list was "We Belong Together" in 2005. So yeah, Rihanna received more critical love from the jump -- for her singles, at least. At the same time, none of her albums are higher than a 75 on Metacritic (even though I know that people think ANTI was a masterpiece). So it's hard for me to see her as a shoo-in, especially now that Mariah -- who's been around long enough to be considered an icon -- didn't make it.
― jaymc, Thursday, 25 April 2024 18:27 (five months ago) link
"Mariah's style of pop music" should probably be "certain styles of pop music." Obv. Rihanna isn't working in the same vein as Mariah, other than the broad genre of pop/R&B. I suppose if Rihanna had debuted in 1990, she might have been appreciated by the same critics who derided Mariah Carey. But I also think that by the time she did debut in the mid-2000s, there weren't as many critical barriers.
― jaymc, Thursday, 25 April 2024 18:37 (five months ago) link
I think that's all true, but I will point out that TLC did well through the '90s on Pazz & Jop singles voting, even if Mariah Carey didn't:
1992 - #121993 - #4 & #81999 - #1 & #12
Outside of TLC, not much inside the Top 10.
I think Rihanna would have well too, but just a guess.
― clemenza, Thursday, 25 April 2024 19:05 (five months ago) link
(Not much female pop/R&B, that is.)
― clemenza, Thursday, 25 April 2024 19:06 (five months ago) link
TLC is way better than Mariah Carey so there's that
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 25 April 2024 19:09 (five months ago) link
hashtag stop pitting r&b women against each other clap emoji
― Left, Thursday, 25 April 2024 19:18 (five months ago) link
"Fantasy" not making the '95 Pazz & Jop list pretty well invalidates it so far as I'm concerned
― Rich E. (Eric H.), Thursday, 25 April 2024 19:26 (five months ago) link
xpost no
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 25 April 2024 19:26 (five months ago) link
stop pitting r&b women against each other
? That's like half of ILM posting, artist A vs. artist B, across every conceivable genre there is.
― clemenza, Thursday, 25 April 2024 19:29 (five months ago) link
I doubt TLC would even claim that
the critical rap on rihanna was that she was too cold as if she was supposed to break for them or something
anti is thoroughly canonised at this point and I'd let her in just for that but there are others who should probably go first namely mariah but also britney, beyonce, bjork, tori amos, pj harvey, d'angelo, what happened it's like the 90s are just dave grohl and pearl jam to these people
― Left, Thursday, 25 April 2024 19:30 (five months ago) link
...we do it with films, baseball players, pizza, politicians, everything.
― clemenza, Thursday, 25 April 2024 19:30 (five months ago) link
my least favorite genre of ilm posting even though I'm complicit
I know we've done how fucking racist the early influences category is but jesus christ. and of course they did robert johnson way before ma rainey and bessie smith, fuck you clapton
just amalgamate it for god's sake wenner's no longer there making sure rock is white enough for his liking
I hate that I care about this thing
― Left, Thursday, 25 April 2024 19:35 (five months ago) link
it's like the 90s are just dave grohl and pearl jam to these people
And Dave Matthews Band too, but yes, this is the exact profile of a typical R&R HOF voter
― Rich E. (Eric H.), Thursday, 25 April 2024 19:45 (five months ago) link