Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees 2024

I mean Mayall and Alexis are fine but a lot of that British blues stuff feels like NBA players who played when the league was still segregated

The 2024 inductees:

Mary J. Blige
Cher
Foreigner
Peter Frampton
Kool & the Gang
Dave Matthews Band
Ozzy Osbourne
A Tribe Called Quest

A rock and roll Murders’ Row. As an accelerationist, I strongly approve of these inductees.

I love the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame voters because they make the Baseball Hall of Fame voters look sensible. Every year we complain about the handful of baseball voters using their votes to ax grind, but the rock and roll voters exclusively ax grind. It’s incredible.

Musical Excellence category:

MC5

― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Monday, 22 April 2024 00:51 (fourteen hours ago) link

Classic HOF timing, right after Wayne Kramer and John Sinclair die

foreigner is one of the worst bands of all time

i guess they're the harold baines of the rock hall

apt!

You're a lot more charitable than I am when it comes to Foreigner, Dave Matthews, and even Peter Frampton, zillion-dollar live album notwithstanding--Colby Rasmus, maybe.

yeah baines was a useful player for a while, apologies to him

Foreigner is Dante Bichette, superficially impressive replacement level types. basically a boring Journey. zero hate bc i feel nothing.

lmao at Dante Bichette reference, thanking you

Dave Matthews Band is Dave Valle

Classic HOF timing, right after Wayne Kramer and John Sinclair die

― chr1sb3singer, Monday, April 22, 2024 11:15 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol my first thought too, almost feels vaguely insulting

“waiting for a girl like you” is probably the greatest piece of music ever recorded but foreigner is pretty meh otherwise

this is the RNR HOF we get, they're starting to lean more heavily on the most basic corporate retreat rock music over the stuff that hits really hard. i know i bang on about Foo Fighters a lot but i think it's because they kind of represent that trend, they're basically just a band that really is a major zero. kind of the new Foreigner vs being a worthy Nirvana successor. i guess like Foreigner they have probably two great songs.

it's nice to see Tribe and KATG and Mary J get in, and Ozzy put out enough classic solo material for me to be cool with it.

i don't even care that Sinead or Sade didn't make it, they can carry on above and beyond that shit forever.

Above and beyond alliteration, Foreigner/Foo Fighters is a good match.

i say yay Foreigner for Lou Gramm only :D

Ian McDonald joining the Hall as a member of Foreigner and not King Crimson is the craziest oddity of this batch.

“waiting for a girl like you” is probably the greatest piece of music ever recorded but foreigner is pretty meh otherwise

it’s ok, that 5-chord transition into the chorus is heavenly tho

Dollar Bin Heroes (With POLLS In Their Eyes!): The Best...and Beyond of Foreigner

I would’ve enjoyed Sinead to be chosen just as a fist in the face of christianity but we can’t win them all.

it just seems absurd to have a Hall of Fame without your best selling female artist

That would be Madonna by far, followed by Céline Dion. And you know Céline isn’t ever going to be even nominated.

I'm seeing Celine placing well outside the top 5 best-selling female artists, but no, I also don't see them nominating Rihanna any time soon either

such a drag to see the daveheads finally get their way

rihanna will get in when the millennials take over in 2050 or so if this thing is still staggering on

it might have become an actual religion by that point (is rockism taken?)

All too well

I'm seeing Celine placing well outside the top 5 best-selling female artists

Depends if your talking global or US. Even there, she's at least Top 5.

She's #7 according to this list:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists

I always thought Rihanna would breeze in (up for election in 2030). Critical support (however you define it) seems to matter less and less, but I think she's had more than Mariah Carey, no? (Who, again, I would have put in--though behind Sinead O'Connor.)

Give Taylor a couple weeks and I think she knocks Celine out of the 5

Critical support (however you define it) seems to matter less and less, but I think she's had more than Mariah Carey, no?

To the extent that this is true, I think it's only because Rihanna emerged at a time when critics were less snobby about Mariah's style of pop music. In retrospect, it's insane that the first time Mariah placed on a Pazz & Jop singles list was "We Belong Together" in 2005. So yeah, Rihanna received more critical love from the jump -- for her singles, at least. At the same time, none of her albums are higher than a 75 on Metacritic (even though I know that people think ANTI was a masterpiece). So it's hard for me to see her as a shoo-in, especially now that Mariah -- who's been around long enough to be considered an icon -- didn't make it.

"Mariah's style of pop music" should probably be "certain styles of pop music." Obv. Rihanna isn't working in the same vein as Mariah, other than the broad genre of pop/R&B. I suppose if Rihanna had debuted in 1990, she might have been appreciated by the same critics who derided Mariah Carey. But I also think that by the time she did debut in the mid-2000s, there weren't as many critical barriers.

I think that's all true, but I will point out that TLC did well through the '90s on Pazz & Jop singles voting, even if Mariah Carey didn't:

1992 - #12
1993 - #4 & #8
1999 - #1 & #12

Outside of TLC, not much inside the Top 10.

I think Rihanna would have well too, but just a guess.

(Not much female pop/R&B, that is.)

TLC is way better than Mariah Carey so there's that

hashtag stop pitting r&b women against each other clap emoji

"Fantasy" not making the '95 Pazz & Jop list pretty well invalidates it so far as I'm concerned

xpost no

stop pitting r&b women against each other

? That's like half of ILM posting, artist A vs. artist B, across every conceivable genre there is.

I doubt TLC would even claim that

the critical rap on rihanna was that she was too cold as if she was supposed to break for them or something

anti is thoroughly canonised at this point and I'd let her in just for that but there are others who should probably go first namely mariah but also britney, beyonce, bjork, tori amos, pj harvey, d'angelo, what happened it's like the 90s are just dave grohl and pearl jam to these people

...we do it with films, baseball players, pizza, politicians, everything.

my least favorite genre of ilm posting even though I'm complicit

I know we've done how fucking racist the early influences category is but jesus christ. and of course they did robert johnson way before ma rainey and bessie smith, fuck you clapton

just amalgamate it for god's sake wenner's no longer there making sure rock is white enough for his liking

I hate that I care about this thing

it's like the 90s are just dave grohl and pearl jam to these people

And Dave Matthews Band too, but yes, this is the exact profile of a typical R&R HOF voter

They do have other blind spots. Husker Du and the Replacements should 1000% be in there. Reconciling the absence of those two bands with what I'm guessing is the perception of the typical voter is not easy.

(I should have checked before posting that. I know Husker Du isn't--that'll look pretty stupid if the Replacements are in there...I don't think so.)

Also Pixies and Smashing Pumpkins, but they would all have to be nominated first.

Mats aren't believe me this state would have shut down for a week

I would love husker du to get in and I hope the window doesn't close for them because younger folks seem less aware of them (I think they could definitely attract new fans if folks got a little less squeamish talking about how very queer their music is instead of just downplaying it as music by people who happen to be queer)

replacements sure they're important or whatever I don't get it maybe you had to be there but throw em on the pile