bad witch is pretty great the whole way through, my main issue with it is i want more of it
― ufo, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 12:41 (five months ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/tzERRnT.jpeg8. StillHalo 17 CD2, released 200292 points, 8 voters
― ufo, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 13:00 (five months ago) link
not that i have anything against it, but genuinely surprised someone had fixed at #1!
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 13:11 (five months ago) link
it was me, and one other person who outed themselves in the voting thread
― ivy., Wednesday, 24 April 2024 13:17 (five months ago) link
I didn't know "still" existed. Listening right now for the first time.
― silverfish, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 13:22 (five months ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/o2S61vF.jpeg7. With TeethHalo 19, released 200596 points, 12 voters
― ufo, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 13:24 (five months ago) link
oh whoops bad witch had 76 points
― ufo, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 13:31 (five months ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/si2pYZB.jpeg6. Further Down the SpiralHalo 10, released 199598 points, 9 voters, 2 #1 votes
― ufo, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 13:35 (five months ago) link
i remember being let down by with teeth at the time. but in doing the poll i realize what a great album it really is. not sure why i was so dismissive of it at the time - probably more about where i was personally then and TDS and Fragile putting the bar so high. i also hated and still don't care for the title track. but i owe you an apology, with teeth, you're a good album.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 13:39 (five months ago) link
Despite my best efforts at cramming over the last few weeks I don't really have a handle on year zero or with teeth and they kind of lump together in my mind. probably heresy to fans or detractors of one or the other.I had both versions of ftds, I was never crazy about all those endless different coil remixes so much preferred the UK version with the charlie clouser remixes.
― ledge, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 13:45 (five months ago) link
not having Clouser remix Closer was a missed opportunity.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 13:51 (five months ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/GkCgj34.jpeg5. Hesitation MarksHalo 28, released 2013148 points, 13 voters
― ufo, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 14:01 (five months ago) link
Pleased to see Hesitation Marks land so high
― Tim F, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 14:11 (five months ago) link
ivy street teaming paid off.
― ledge, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 14:15 (five months ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/9zD30BC.jpeg4. BrokenHalo 5, released 1992196 points, 15 voters, 1 #1 vote
― ufo, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 14:31 (five months ago) link
my main takeaway from this has been that people didn't listen to the 2016-18 ep trilogy enough
― ufo, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 14:32 (five months ago) link
His Song Exploder episode was really fucking good, my favourite one, and I was never that much of a fan.
― piscesx, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 14:43 (five months ago) link
i dunno. admittedly, nostalgia is a tough thing to overcome; but i gave them every chance - and while i loved Add Violence, i did not dig Bad Which at all. also they're EPs, which - obviously - means there's just less music to them. then there's context - those first 3-4 releases were p unique to what existed at the time and wildly influential.xpost
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 14:44 (five months ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/e70QNTR.jpeg3. Pretty Hate MachineHalo 2, released 1989222 points, 17 voters, 1 #1 vote
― ufo, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 14:59 (five months ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/jP9LpD0.jpeg2. The FragileHalo 14, released 1999230 points, 15 voters, 4 #1 votes
https://i.imgur.com/U6t1JZI.jpeg1. The Downward SpiralHalo 8, released 1994306 points, 17 voters, 7 #1 votes
― ufo, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:24 (five months ago) link
not really a surprise to have the downward spiral so far ahead of everything else
I’m really happy Further Down The Spiral is getting so much love in this poll
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:49 (five months ago) link
(I wouldn’t have imagine Fragile at #2 - wow!)
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:50 (five months ago) link
i didn't expect it either, but the total points was close. the #1 vote difference is what put Fragile ahead.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:54 (five months ago) link
I guess I can understand being the only #1 for Pretty Hate Machine. It's not without its flaws, but I do think it's the most charming NIN album with the most memorable highs.
― peace, man, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:54 (five months ago) link
Every time I play PHM I’m somehow surprised anew at how gripping it is.
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:56 (five months ago) link
I wasn't sure which I was going to put first - I hadn't listened to either in a decade or more. phm may (arguably) have the 'best' (catchiest, most melodic. whatever) songs but the arrangement/production/sound palette on tds is in an absolute league of its own.
― ledge, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 16:01 (five months ago) link
It was hard to work out where to rank PHM, it's probably the NIN release I've played the most in my life because I bought it (on tape) at a point when I only owned a handful of albums but I think it's been surpassed many times over (I had it at #8 in the end I think). Hesitation Marks kept creeping up my ballot, glad to see it so high.
I prefer the international Further Down the Spiral although I realised my favourite tracks are mostly the ones that appear on both versions.
― Gavin, Leeds, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 16:28 (five months ago) link
MAYBE I'M ALL MESSED UP
― ivy., Wednesday, 24 April 2024 16:30 (five months ago) link
Really happy to see the Fennesz remix of In This Twilight top the remix poll. It's truly a marvel and one of the best things musically that Trent's been involved with imho.
― octobeard, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 21:38 (five months ago) link
Surprised The Fragile: Deviations 1 and Ghosts didn't place on the releases poll! Excited for the tracks now.
― octobeard, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 21:39 (five months ago) link
do people want top 60 tracks or top 50? i can do either but only have images for top 50
― ufo, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 21:59 (five months ago) link
i'll try to get through these quickly
60. In This TwilightReleased on Year Zero, 200788 points, 5 votersStudio versionLive 2008
― ufo, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 22:12 (five months ago) link
59. The Only TimeReleased on Pretty Hate Machine, 198996 points, 3 votersStudio version
― ufo, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 22:22 (five months ago) link
58. Kinda I Want ToReleased on Pretty Hate Machine, 198998 points, 2 votersStudio version
― ufo, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 22:32 (five months ago) link
this one was a surprise to see, it always seemed like a lesser track on phm to me
57. Dead SoulsReleased on The Crow soundtrack, 1994102 points, 3 votersStudio version
― ufo, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 22:41 (five months ago) link
i love Dead Souls so much
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 22:48 (five months ago) link
56. RunningReleased on Hesitation Marks, 2013106 points, 3 votersStudio version
― ufo, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 22:54 (five months ago) link
53. This Isn't the PlaceReleased on Add Violence, 2017110 points, 5 votersStudio version
53. SuckReleased on Broken, 1992110 points, 6 votersStudio version
53. Less ThanReleased on Add Violence, 2017110 points, 6 votersStudio version/music video
― ufo, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 23:04 (five months ago) link
51. Even DeeperReleased on The Fragile, 1999112 points, 3 votersStudio versionLive 2013
51. Leaving HopeReleased on Still, 2002112 points, 4 votersStudio version
― ufo, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 23:14 (five months ago) link
i really recommend the live version of "even deeper" there
https://i.imgur.com/mRHVhiA.jpeg49. The Great DestroyerReleased on Year Zero, 2007116 points, 6 votersStudio versionLive 2007Live 2014
https://i.imgur.com/qi3irH7.jpeg49. Shit MirrorReleased on Bad Witch, 2018116 points, 3 votersStudio version
― ufo, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 23:27 (five months ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/7KL0Xt6.jpeg48. SanctifiedReleased on Pretty Hate Machine, 1989124 points, 4 votersStudio versionLive 2013
― ufo, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 23:37 (five months ago) link
even deeper wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy too low
― ivy., Wednesday, 24 April 2024 23:46 (five months ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/lyRY0lC.jpeg47. The Hand That FeedsReleased on With Teeth, 2005134 points, 6 votersStudio versionMusic videoLive 2006Live 2008Live 2013
― ufo, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 23:51 (five months ago) link
i really regret not managing to fit "even deeper" on my ballot after hearing that live version
i'm surprised "the hand that feeds" was this low, it's quite good at what it does really
― ufo, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 23:52 (five months ago) link
Me too! Figured it for top 25 at least
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 23:57 (five months ago) link
same. expect WAAYYYYY higher
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 25 April 2024 00:01 (five months ago) link
Failure's "Fantastic Planet" was the first thing that popped in my head.
i tried the first two tracks and this just sounds to me like standard grungy alt rock, sorry!
― ledge, Friday, 3 May 2024 07:51 (four months ago) link
It's not 90's (though close) but the album I think of when I hear "hyper layered" is Since I Left You. Especially the original cut with all samples intact.
― octobeard, Friday, 3 May 2024 08:10 (four months ago) link
The sonic aesthetic does seem post-Bomb Squad in its layered approach. Prince Paul and The Dust Brothers (at least Paul's Boutique - I'd need to revisit Odelay again) feel slightly different to me, though I'm struggling to put my finger on why? Maybe it's that density never seems like the point of their productions. I can certainly imagine they might have influenced Trent in terms of their strategic use of sounds (sampled or otherwise) though.
The 90s albums that occurred to me as sharing that kind of vibe were New Kingdom's 'Paradise Don't Come Cheap', Disco Inferno's 'D.I. Go Pop', Ruby's 'Salt Peter' and Garbage's 'Version 2.0', though each of them is doing something at least slightly different.
― Tim F, Friday, 3 May 2024 12:41 (four months ago) link
I love seeing "The Becoming" so high. I thought it might have missed the cut. That would have been my top-ranked TDS track, most likely.
― jmm, Friday, 3 May 2024 12:54 (four months ago) link
The Woodstock 94 performance of "Sin" alone might have made it my #1.
― jmm, Friday, 3 May 2024 13:17 (four months ago) link
I know when I first heard it, a large part of the appeal of TDS was definitely the densely layered sound of it, but also that a lot of these sounds were things I'd never heard before, like blowing into straw thing from eraser. I feel like the only kind of stuff I'd heard that did that kind of stuff before was Depeche Mode (because of Flood maybe?)
― silverfish, Friday, 3 May 2024 13:41 (four months ago) link
Yup, I was about to say “Violator” and that era of Flood in general, but none of it is nearly at TDS levels of complexity.
― Doctor Madame Frances Experimento, LLC", Friday, 3 May 2024 14:06 (four months ago) link
I was a fan of Failure and never really thought of them as that hyper produced. Certainly not to the level of TDS.
In my mind, the only thing that came close the noise/sound layering of TDS was some of Foetus’s work, like Gash.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 3 May 2024 17:14 (four months ago) link
TDS also benefitted from arriving right as CDs were becoming the primary form of physical media. The level of dynamic range and clarity was unprecedented not only on the album itself but also the method in which I listened to it… I remember being gifted a pair of “good headphones” at age 15 (as opposed to the standard Sony Walkman issuances) and feeling like all the CDs I owned (and dubbed on to tape for mobile listening) were suddenly shocked into focus
― your dog is fed and no one cares (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 3 May 2024 17:42 (four months ago) link
The Flood discussion, and his contribution to the Downward Spiral, is very interesting to explore.
I recently read “Into The Never: Nine Inch Nails And The Creation Of The Downward Spiral” by Adam Steiner, which I would heartily recommend. Atrocious front cover, but some excellent and considered writing contained within.
In that book, there are was the suggestion was that Flood became increasingly uneasy and uncomfortable with the bleakness, particularly the suicide ideation, of much of Reznor’s lyrical content - especially a song that didn’t make the cut for the album proper - and bailed out after completing the album swearing he’d never work with him again.
― Internet Alan, Friday, 3 May 2024 17:45 (four months ago) link
most stuff that comes to mind is a bit more turn-of-the-millenium, reznor was really ahead of his time, but fantasma, ok computer, a few super furry animals songs here and there come to mind
― ufo, Friday, 3 May 2024 21:16 (four months ago) link
Another comparison that occurred to me was the first Laika album together with the second and third Moonshake albums (the second Laika album might not fit here, even if it’s probably my favourite of the four) - stuff like “Hard Candy” on Dirty & Divine. Those albums came out in 94 and 96 (as did Disco Inferno’s second and third albums) so very comparable timewise.
And of course (“of course”) later on El-P’s production work in the 00s (but not really Company Flow earlier on) - at its best sounding like an attempt to split the difference between “The Becoming” and “By The Time I Get to Arizona”.
― Tim F, Friday, 3 May 2024 22:23 (four months ago) link
Kate Van Buren's channel is a gift
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjqZ8RIiRLU
― jmm, Saturday, 4 May 2024 03:06 (four months ago) link
Well, that's "NIN meet David Crosby at Woodstock 94"