TracksThe BecomingHead Like a HoleWe're in This TogetherHurtSomething I Can Never HaveThe Great BelowCloserSinJust Like You ImaginedA Warm PlaceWishEraserSanctifiedThe Day The World Went AwayMr Self DestructRight Where It BelongsLa MerHeresyHappiness In SlaveryReptileUnderneath It AllRuinerHand Covers BruiseGave Up(You Made It Feel Like) HomeIn This TwilightTerrible LieFind My WayDown in ItThe Great DestroyerReleasesThe Downward SpiralPretty Hate MachineBrokenThe FragileFurther Down the SpiralYear ZeroWith TeethHesitation MarksFixedY34RZ3r0r3mix3dRemixesGave Up remixed by Coil with Danny Hyde (from Fixed)Heresy (version) (remixed by Charlie Clouser) (from Further Down the Spiral)The Great Destroyer - modwheelmoodAnother Version of the Truth - Kronos and Enrique Gonzales MullerIn This Twilight - fenneszRuiner (version) (remixed by Charlie Clouser) (from Further Down the Spiral)The Hand That Feeds - DFA MixOnly - Richard X MixRollercoaster - Neil CiceriegaAt the Heart of It All - Aphex Twin
― ledge, Thursday, 2 May 2024 07:11 (one month ago) link
Tracks:
March of the PigsWe're in This TogetherCloserHeresyLastSinRuinerEverythingMr. Self DestructEvery Day Is Exactly the SameEraserShe's Gone AwayOnlyReptileInto the VoidShit MirrorHead Like a HoleSomewhat DamagedWishVarious Methods of EscapeThis Isn't the PlaceOver and OutTerrible LieCopy of aLess ThanHurtLove Is Not EnoughJust Like You ImaginedI Do Not Want ThisPhysical (You're So)
Releases:
The Downward SpiralBrokenBad WitchHesitation MarksThe FragileAdd ViolenceNot the Actual EventsFurther Down the SpiralPretty Hate MachineWith Teeth
Remixes:
Closer to GodThe Hand That Feeds (DFA Mix)The Art of Self Destruction, Part OneIn This Twilight (Fennesz Remix)The Downward Spiral (The Bottom)Self Destruction, FinalFind My Way (Oneohtrix Point Never Remix)Eraser (Denial: Realization)Gave Up (Fixed version)The Beauty of Being Numb
― Gavin, Leeds, Thursday, 2 May 2024 07:51 (one month ago) link
my ballot
March Of The PigsHeresyPilgrimageEraserMr. Self DestructGod Break Down The DoorLa MerThe Great BelowTerrible LieThe Perfect DrugThe BecomingThe Downward SpiralReptileMemorabiliaHappiness In SlaveryQuake ThemeA Violet FluidA Warm PlaceDriver DownHead Like A HoleRuinerI Do Not Want ThisWe’re In This TogetherThe Day The World Went AwaySinWish
Self Destruction, FinalAll The Pigs, All Lined UpThe Downward Spiral (The Bottom)Self Destruction, Part TwoEraser (Denial: Realization)Eraser (Polite)Erased, Over, OutThe Art Of Self Destruction, Part OneUnderneath The SkinCloser (Precursor)
Albums:
Further Down The SpiralThe Downward SpiralMarch Of The PigsCloser To GodPretty Hate MachineBad WitchBrokenQuakeGhosts V: TogetherGhosts VI: Locusts
― silverfish, Thursday, 2 May 2024 15:23 (one month ago) link
Though as noted above TDS is an incredible outstanding nonpareil ne plus ultra of production
re this and other comments above about TDS' very unique hyper-layered production density, I'm interested to hear what (if any) other records of the era people think broadly fit into this category
― Tim F, Friday, 3 May 2024 04:59 (one month ago) link
Failure's "Fantastic Planet" was the first thing that popped in my head.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Friday, 3 May 2024 05:10 (one month ago) link
maybe not quite the same hyper-layeredness but a couple of 90s albums that, for me, still stand out for their (idiosyncratic and or fresh/new/noticeable) production: Sparklehorse's vivadixiesubmarinetransmissionplot, Eels' Beautiful Freak, DJ Shadow's Endtroducing, and why not, U2's Achtung Baby
― StanM, Friday, 3 May 2024 06:28 (one month ago) link
the guitar on "we're in this together" sounds like the edge's playing on achtung baby
― ufo, Friday, 3 May 2024 06:40 (one month ago) link
Regarding hyper-layered: first thing that came to mind was the PE/Bomb Squad stuff, as an antecedent. Trent mentioned 3 Feet High and Rising in the Rick Rubin podcast, so Prince Paul, Dust Brothers and other pre-sample crackdown hip hop production would've been an influence.
― Vernon Locke, Friday, 3 May 2024 06:47 (one month ago) link
i tried the first two tracks and this just sounds to me like standard grungy alt rock, sorry!
― ledge, Friday, 3 May 2024 07:51 (one month ago) link
It's not 90's (though close) but the album I think of when I hear "hyper layered" is Since I Left You. Especially the original cut with all samples intact.
― octobeard, Friday, 3 May 2024 08:10 (one month ago) link
The sonic aesthetic does seem post-Bomb Squad in its layered approach. Prince Paul and The Dust Brothers (at least Paul's Boutique - I'd need to revisit Odelay again) feel slightly different to me, though I'm struggling to put my finger on why? Maybe it's that density never seems like the point of their productions. I can certainly imagine they might have influenced Trent in terms of their strategic use of sounds (sampled or otherwise) though.
The 90s albums that occurred to me as sharing that kind of vibe were New Kingdom's 'Paradise Don't Come Cheap', Disco Inferno's 'D.I. Go Pop', Ruby's 'Salt Peter' and Garbage's 'Version 2.0', though each of them is doing something at least slightly different.
― Tim F, Friday, 3 May 2024 12:41 (one month ago) link
I love seeing "The Becoming" so high. I thought it might have missed the cut. That would have been my top-ranked TDS track, most likely.
― jmm, Friday, 3 May 2024 12:54 (one month ago) link
The Woodstock 94 performance of "Sin" alone might have made it my #1.
― jmm, Friday, 3 May 2024 13:17 (one month ago) link
I know when I first heard it, a large part of the appeal of TDS was definitely the densely layered sound of it, but also that a lot of these sounds were things I'd never heard before, like blowing into straw thing from eraser. I feel like the only kind of stuff I'd heard that did that kind of stuff before was Depeche Mode (because of Flood maybe?)
― silverfish, Friday, 3 May 2024 13:41 (one month ago) link
Yup, I was about to say “Violator” and that era of Flood in general, but none of it is nearly at TDS levels of complexity.
― Doctor Madame Frances Experimento, LLC", Friday, 3 May 2024 14:06 (one month ago) link
I was a fan of Failure and never really thought of them as that hyper produced. Certainly not to the level of TDS.
In my mind, the only thing that came close the noise/sound layering of TDS was some of Foetus’s work, like Gash.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 3 May 2024 17:14 (one month ago) link
TDS also benefitted from arriving right as CDs were becoming the primary form of physical media. The level of dynamic range and clarity was unprecedented not only on the album itself but also the method in which I listened to it… I remember being gifted a pair of “good headphones” at age 15 (as opposed to the standard Sony Walkman issuances) and feeling like all the CDs I owned (and dubbed on to tape for mobile listening) were suddenly shocked into focus
― your dog is fed and no one cares (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 3 May 2024 17:42 (one month ago) link
The Flood discussion, and his contribution to the Downward Spiral, is very interesting to explore.
I recently read “Into The Never: Nine Inch Nails And The Creation Of The Downward Spiral” by Adam Steiner, which I would heartily recommend. Atrocious front cover, but some excellent and considered writing contained within.
In that book, there are was the suggestion was that Flood became increasingly uneasy and uncomfortable with the bleakness, particularly the suicide ideation, of much of Reznor’s lyrical content - especially a song that didn’t make the cut for the album proper - and bailed out after completing the album swearing he’d never work with him again.
― Internet Alan, Friday, 3 May 2024 17:45 (one month ago) link
most stuff that comes to mind is a bit more turn-of-the-millenium, reznor was really ahead of his time, but fantasma, ok computer, a few super furry animals songs here and there come to mind
― ufo, Friday, 3 May 2024 21:16 (one month ago) link
Another comparison that occurred to me was the first Laika album together with the second and third Moonshake albums (the second Laika album might not fit here, even if it’s probably my favourite of the four) - stuff like “Hard Candy” on Dirty & Divine. Those albums came out in 94 and 96 (as did Disco Inferno’s second and third albums) so very comparable timewise.
And of course (“of course”) later on El-P’s production work in the 00s (but not really Company Flow earlier on) - at its best sounding like an attempt to split the difference between “The Becoming” and “By The Time I Get to Arizona”.
― Tim F, Friday, 3 May 2024 22:23 (one month ago) link
Kate Van Buren's channel is a gift
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjqZ8RIiRLU
― jmm, Saturday, 4 May 2024 03:06 (one month ago) link
Well, that's "NIN meet David Crosby at Woodstock 94"