Kendrick Lamar will kill your favorite rapper for money

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“Surely, on a Sunday - the Lord’s Day! - beef can be set aside, right? Surely we -“

kendrick is punching down with everything he's got...

...why?

― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin)

because people like _me_ are paying attention. like, the fact that i'm even posting in this thread says something about how big this is. seeing this ripple out over the past day or so has been really really interesting, because people who clearly know nothing at all about hip-hop are starting to be aware of it. like, these conversations start and i'm the only one there who's _heard_ of "the story of adidon". drake and kendrick lamar are household names in a way that even someone like pusha t isn't, and something like "meet the grahams", you don't need to go on genius to figure out what kendrick means when he says "drake you are a bad person and you should die". which is interesting because people who don't know...

i swear to god, last night this server i'm on is talking about it (which two days ago they wouldn't have, because they have no idea what the hell any of this stuff is about), and this white lady up in the yukon says "wait, if what kendrick is saying is true, why doesn't he just call the police? why is he saying this stuff on social media?"

and then the rest of us who are all SA victims try and explain how that works in practice until we have to peace out and use our TIPP skills, i mean, people gotta learn this shit somehow, i'm not judging this lady in the yukon for being ignorant, we're all born ignorant

i don't know hardly anything at all about rap beefs, but overall my impression that... like, when white people in the yukon who don't really know anything about any of the people involved start forming opinions, that's generally not a desired result

except the other thing that happens is that... someone like me, i've _heard_ of "the story of adidon" but i don't really pay attention because i don't really keep up with hip-hop and i _don't_ think it's my fucking business what the fuck goes on in the community

this shit drops and i think well god maybe i should figure out what's happening here

and y'all know way more about this than me, so, like. please check me if i'm talking out of my ass on any of this.

drake is incredibly popular. one of the most successful and popular rappers of all time. i mean what i know about drake is that someone asked obama what he thinks of kendrick and obama said "i prefer drake". that's kind of the impression i have of drake. but Serious Rappers don't respect him, and it's easy to look at it and say, you know, oh well it's because he's canadian, because he's half-black, because he never shot anybody

except, if i get what kendrick is saying, that that's _not_ why people don't respect him. it's not a situation where people roll their eyes at him and say "look at that fool acting like he's one of the best rappers in the world just because he's got a lot of hits". it's a situation where people who know him fucking _hate_ him, not just because he's a lying hypocrite, but because he is a terrible person who does terrible things and gets away with it, not necessarily on a harvey weinstein level but not that fucking far off either.

that's a really frustrating situation, not just because when people look at the community they think of someone like drake, but because this person is hurting people within the community and there's no mechanism of accountability. because drake is so powerful, most people within the community _don't_ have the ability to even call what he's doing to other people's attention. if drake's victimized someone, they have no recourse. nobody's going to listen to them. someone in drake's position can do what they want, can serially abuse people and take advantage of them and _hurt_ them, at least _within the community_, and...

and the only person who can say something about it and get listened to is someone like kendrick. and the only way to do that is to _not_ handle one's beefs within the community, to take it outside the community, by saying "look, look at this famous person within the community, this is a Bad Person"

is that great? is that a great way to handle a situation like that? not really. because "Bad Person" is an oversimplification, it always is, the world isn't made up of good people and bad people, and if one has a choice, it's better to heal than hurt. because one doesn't know what's going to happen, what the consequences are, of doing something like that. because one is appealing to, i mean, a dominant culture that _doesn't_ have the community's best interests at heart, that's oppressing and holding down the community, dividing the community against itself. no, that's not great, and what's the alternative? to let drake keep doing what he's doing forever and maybe piss on his leg every once in a while?

i could see how someone could feel conflicted in a situation like that.

Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 5 May 2024 14:26 (one month ago) link

I don’t necessarily know what’s right or wrong, but, Kate OTM.

I think it's simple: younger fans have never been privy to a hip-hop beef. It's fun. Like any artist Kendrick's using his anger as a vessel to write furious rhymes over good beats; by the third track even Drake himself starts to disappear.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 May 2024 14:42 (one month ago) link

i mean what i know about drake is that someone asked obama what he thinks of kendrick and obama said "i prefer drake".

not super important here, but isn't true. afaict he actually said the opposite?

rob, Sunday, 5 May 2024 14:44 (one month ago) link

It’s hard for me to believe that Kendrick has some secret info about Drake’s alleged victims. It seems he’s playing off the same internet rumors that rise up whenever Drake does something weird, like texting Billie Eilish or whatever,

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Sunday, 5 May 2024 14:46 (one month ago) link

I think it’s super funny that they are doing NPR segments on this

Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Sunday, 5 May 2024 14:52 (one month ago) link

people sticking to "BUT BATTLES ARE PART OF HOPHOP!!" sound a lot like the damagingly staunch "I BELIEVE IN THE CONSTITUTION THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN!!" crowd.

interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Sunday, 5 May 2024 14:58 (one month ago) link

lol does it?

rob, Sunday, 5 May 2024 14:59 (one month ago) link

lol yes totally the same thing austin

also yes Rob is right for the record, Obama took Kendrick

"If Drake and Kendrick Lamar got in a rap battle who do you think would win?"

Obama (2016): "I gotta go with Kendrick." pic.twitter.com/5AgUjbiarp

— Complex Music (@ComplexMusic) May 4, 2024

"BUT BATTLES ARE PART OF HOPHOP!!"

https://i.imgur.com/V3IR6wk.jpg

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 May 2024 15:07 (one month ago) link

It's kind of ingrained into the art form (like braggadocio), diss tracks are just a more serious version of battle rapping which existed from the very beginning. The difference being this isn't playful, it has *stakes*, man.

Also keep in mind, although whispers about Cosby existed for decades, the one incident that actually got the ball rolling and lead to people speaking out was Hannibal Burress's viral comedy special where he mainstreamed these whispers.

Some of these things about Drake have been whispered but aren't known widely by more casual listeners

RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 May 2024 15:15 (one month ago) link

I think other genres should do this more often. In high school, my brother was in a ska band and they disliked this guy, we'll call him Mark Dan

They wrote a song called "MARK DAN, SHUT YOUR YAP FLAP"

RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 May 2024 15:17 (one month ago) link

didn't Taylor Swift just release an entire diss album?

rob, Sunday, 5 May 2024 15:20 (one month ago) link

“Dear John” came close to calling John Mayer a pedo

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Sunday, 5 May 2024 15:30 (one month ago) link

this is good beef has stakes, but doesn’t seem likely to result in violence. i mean i guess i wouldn’t put anything past anyone

the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Sunday, 5 May 2024 15:36 (one month ago) link

Phoebe Bridgers' breakout hit was a Ryan Adams diss track

jaymc, Sunday, 5 May 2024 15:39 (one month ago) link

xpost Drake might pay someone to tp Kendrick's house

RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 May 2024 15:42 (one month ago) link

https://s2.dmcdn.net/v/T2F9x1Xi9yAK4EDGo/x360

Found a photo of the exact moment drake decided to start a beef w/kendrick

omar little, Sunday, 5 May 2024 15:42 (one month ago) link

Lmao omar

RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 May 2024 15:45 (one month ago) link

#bbldrizzybeatgiveaway
uh.. take that drake? you scallywag! pic.twitter.com/cRZRopT0QD

— juju (@ynvurse) May 5, 2024

i am basically a kendrick fan and i don't think all artists need to be political heroes, but in this very particular specific moment – a multi-part drake beef? actually feels like a psyop

— dj intercity disco (@chalravens) May 4, 2024

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Sunday, 5 May 2024 15:54 (one month ago) link

Can't wait for the eventual pivot when Drake drops the introspective "It's Hard Being a Bad Person"

RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 May 2024 15:54 (one month ago) link

damn Not Like Us is crazy, I keep catching things like the John Stockton reference, which calls out the Instagram I posted upthread where Drake is posing with his neighbor, Stockton's teammate Karl Malone who got a 13 year old pregnant

Layers upon layers

RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 May 2024 16:08 (one month ago) link

The one I keep coming back to is, "trying to strike a chord and it's probably A-minor"

omar little, Sunday, 5 May 2024 16:19 (one month ago) link

many xposts:ofc it's not the same exact thing, i used the word "like" intentionally. i should think all you super knowledgeable hiphop heads would be able to understand some light simile.

interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Sunday, 5 May 2024 16:19 (one month ago) link

lil kim used the "a minor" line back in the 90s.

kendrick wins this one, but doesn't come out looking very dignified.

interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Sunday, 5 May 2024 16:20 (one month ago) link

psyop otm

interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Sunday, 5 May 2024 16:20 (one month ago) link

As the Founding Father KRS-One said, “I finally figured it out, Magic mouth is used for suckin'
Roxanne Shante is only good for steady fuckin'”

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Sunday, 5 May 2024 16:31 (one month ago) link

and then he did records with puffy. so yeah. thx for proving my point.

interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Sunday, 5 May 2024 16:44 (one month ago) link

i'm more concerned for everyone involved than i am entertained.

interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Sunday, 5 May 2024 16:46 (one month ago) link

psyop, c'mon

RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 May 2024 16:48 (one month ago) link

Beefs often span multiple songs released in short succession by both parties, but people only remember the songs in the series that were the best.

Hence why nobody talks about "Supa Ugly".

Kendrick is pushing the envelope of how much diss content he's released but psyop, lol...come on

RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 May 2024 16:51 (one month ago) link

Austin your objections are noted for the record

I would rather have this than all the instagram shade that comprises hip hop beef in the 20s

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Sunday, 5 May 2024 16:56 (one month ago) link

Eminem went at Everlast twice in song form and it actually resulted in a brawl between both camps.

At least nobody is likely to get beat up here

RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 May 2024 16:58 (one month ago) link

Maybe I should make “psyop” part of my handle on here in solidarity

So many psyops they call me Dr. Gangnam Stlye

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Sunday, 5 May 2024 17:09 (one month ago) link

The term "psy op" needs to sit on the bench for a while

Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Sunday, 5 May 2024 17:19 (one month ago) link

Can we get these guys back in the mix to break it all down for us? Jay-Z / Nas hip-hop throw down? & other throw-downs? Pt. 2: The Saga Continues.

JoeStork, Sunday, 5 May 2024 17:21 (one month ago) link

i guess it’s for the best that they won’t confront each other at the Source Awards or whatever

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 5 May 2024 17:35 (one month ago) link

Imagining young Drake at the Source Awards: “All I got to say is the Great White North got something to say.”

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Sunday, 5 May 2024 17:41 (one month ago) link

it's a lot of things but drake is the one who signed the artists4ceasefire letter https://t.co/43VBmgQQ3q

— Craig Bro Dude (@CraigSJ) May 5, 2024

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Sunday, 5 May 2024 17:46 (one month ago) link

please keep psyopping me with this avalanche of incredible rap music, idgaf if the rappers are behaving with bad manners or hurting each others feelings, i'm frankly willing to run that risk

waste of compute (One Eye Open), Sunday, 5 May 2024 17:54 (one month ago) link

mostly otm

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 May 2024 17:56 (one month ago) link

I think other genres should do this more often. In high school, my brother was in a ska band and they disliked this guy, we'll call him Mark Dan

They wrote a song called "MARK DAN, SHUT YOUR YAP FLAP"

― RICH BRIAN (Neanderthal)

lynyrd skynrd's entire career one long diss against their high school gym teacher

Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 5 May 2024 18:50 (one month ago) link

What is hiphop if it doesn’t have violence?
Chill for a minute, Doug E. Fresh said silence

a hoy hoy, Sunday, 5 May 2024 18:52 (one month ago) link


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