My Middle Name Is Earl - The Official ILM Track-By-Track TOM PETTY Listening Thread

The least coherent album he'd ever record. Look at the credits. On one hand David Stewart producing the honking gimmicky things ("Don't Come Around Here No More," "Make It Better," etc.), on the other hand Jimmy Iovine, called by Petty in desperation, in charge of the trad "Heartbreaker" songs, with several others marooned, to Petty's regret, as b-sides. Then he included Robbie Robertson's production of "The Best of Everything."

iirc there was a very good long read somewhere about the making of "Don't Come Around Here No More", anyone know the link?

https://medium.com/@blueknightgirl75/every-song-tells-a-story-tom-petty-and-the-heartbreakers-don-t-come-around-here-no-more-8ae5c70b2b31

I love this:

The original inspiration was a romantic encounter that producer David A. Stewart of Eurythmics had with Stevie Nicks of Fleetwood Mac.[4] On The Howard Stern Show, Stewart explained that the title's phrase was actually uttered by Nicks. She had broken up with Eagles singer and guitarist Joe Walsh the night before,[5] and invited Stewart to her place for a party after an early Eurythmics show in Los Angeles. Stewart did not know who she was at the time, but went anyway. When the partygoers all disappeared to a bathroom for a couple of hours to snort cocaine, he decided to go upstairs to bed. He woke up at 5 a.m. to find Nicks in his room trying on Victorian clothing and described the entire scenario as very much reminiscent of Alice in Wonderland. L

i've always liked "don't come around here no more". i haven't listened to the album in a long time though and i probably don't remember half of it. "rebels" is no fave of mine but it actually sounded better to me today than i remember it sounding.

dave stewart really didn't know who stevie nicks was??? for real??? a british guy had no knowledge of stevie nicks joining a british institution and helping to make them one of the biggest pop acts in the world? get the fuck out of here.

Petty may have been Stewart's first production-for-hire job? In that three-year period he produced Daryl Hall, Dylan, Feargal Sharkey, and Mick Jagger.

Here's where I say that other than his Eurythmics work I can't stand him as a producer: inappropriate guitar wank, redundant psychedelia, bloated songs. He contributed none of these things to Eurythmics. Fascinating.

dave stewart the year rumours came out...

https://i.discogs.com/b1CI_YYbL-XjEFifew0333oOggTruitG2Hifu3V5pCo/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:600/w:597/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTMwMTM0/NzYtMTY0Mjk3MDI4/Ni04MDQ0LmpwZWc.jpeg

yeah i do kinda think i have annie to thank for why i love eurythmics. or maybe he had just used up all his good ideas in eurythmics. i've never heard a single thing he's done on his own worth listening to.

also, for the record, as much as i love the early stuff and singles, Savage is by far my fave Eurythmics album. post-Southern Accents even!

i mean, as far as dave goes, he's been making music since the 70s. he might have been tapped out by the 80s. jeff lynne certainly was. though jeff started in the 60s. not everyone is Tom Petty.

not everyone is Tom Petty.

thread motto right here

Totally agree there are bad production choices all over the place on this album. On the plus side I think Petty was trying out new things (horns, female backing vox, sitar ...), but on the minus side a lot of them are misfires. We can talk more about DCAHNM when we get there, but that's a fascinating song in the catalog — I've never loved it, but I think it also did a lot to propel Petty's career to its late '80s/early '90s prominence.

i still think if this is his big money bloated celebrity producer cocaine album its not embarrassing or anything. still listenable. from what i remember! like i said, haven't heard it in forever.

Savage is by far my fave Eurythmics album

Mine too and it's become a common opinion; it's especially beloved by UK critics.

Christgau wrote the following about his dismissal of Annie Lennox's Diva: "he kept her dishonest." Wrong. She deserved the credit (and I love Diva).

Southern Accents is their weakest album to date, but, yeah, not an embarrassment.

In the Zollo book Petty was like, "yeah, everyone recommended this hot English keyboard guy, Dave Stewart, who did 'Sweet Things Are Made of This' then I meet him and he's not a keyboard guy at all! He's a guitarist!" (Annie Lennox played most of the complicated synth/keyboard parts).

When I interviewed Keith LeBlanc last year, he had some nice things to say about Lennox (he played on Diva):

And Annie Lennox, she was really cool, too. She’s a real singer. A lot of singers have to punch in things and get Auto-Tuned in, but she would go in the studio, just nail it right there, with the musicians. So there was a lot of collaboration there. She left room for that, she was really open and nice, really honest, you know? When it comes right down to it, for something to be really good, it’s got to be really honest. It can’t be fake good. It’s got to be actual good. And Annie left room for that.

It Ain't Nothin' To Me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKiaaPd5RLY

two minutes too long. haha, okay, this sounds like cocaine for sure.

i like that little tom verlaine-y part they pop in there a few times. could live without most of the rest of it. rock guys playing funk. somehow the stones made it work.

Wait till you hear "Make It Better"!

I think "Make It Better" works better than this one, which is just a mess sonically and structurally.

Wow, this is a trainwreck - maybe the clunkiest thing we've heard from them so far. Tom's put an atypical amount of work into the lyrics (as on Rebels - maybe the biggest benefit from finally having time off between records), but it comes off as a serious case of "well, we can sift out the best bits for the extended club mix."

tom, you got to give it up

i do kinda appreciate tench going disco mike garson on this tho

It wasn't until their next album -- their most ignored -- that he mastered the throwaway.

rebels - damn that opening gtr groove sounds a lot like a sped up "all that heaven will allow." (or maybe vice versa, since "tunnel of love" was still two and a half years away.)

it ain't nothin' to me - side 1 track 2 filler perhaps explains why there are only 9 tracks on the album. i kinda like the one gtr lick on the choruses that kinda sounds like mj's "black and white."

(now i've gotta go back and catch up on the last couple weeks of this thread.)

"wasted life," which i don't think i've ever heard before, is gorgeous.

Yeah, it's a good 'un.

Wow, everything everyone has said about this is dead on. It's at least two minutes too long, probably three (a minute of noises and jabber before the song even starts, and the two minutes at the end, especially the "avant-garde" piano solo), and it's like a bad combination of disco-funk Stones and Oingo Boingo. And the lyrics are terrible, like Petty's answer to Don Henley's "All She Wants To Do Is Dance" or something.

I do like the Verlaine-y part, but yeah what a weird mishmash

It's like someone was trying to steer them into gigs as the band playing at a party in an 80s high school comedy.

Don't Come Around Here No More

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0JvF9vpqx8

The stories about recording of this song is bonkers.

This is a record in search of a singer. To my ears Petty fails. Every time I hear the way he sings "I'm not waiting any loner" and "You tangle my emotions" I act like villagers in Guernica.

annie lennox could have done a good job with it.

i am pretty sure i voted for this in the top 5 of that music video ballot poll

hey!

STOP

HEY!!!

This is one where Petty's strangled vocals AND the massive, booming cocaine soundscape both work incredibly well for me. The echoing drum hits and each additional element just coil around each other in this perpetual forward motion spiral, an endless-staircase illusion. Fabulous 80s digital psychedelia.

Nothing about this really has much to do with not coming around here no more, and when the beautifully lush haze of backing vocals envelops the chorus, they could just as easily be singing basically anything. "We've got to save the whales," maybe. But Petty's miserable verses and especially the anguished "admit it's OVERRRRRRRRR" are the actual cotter pins holding the whole thing together. (His cry of "eeghleyh!" at 3:18 probably could have been dropped out.)

The only thing is - and perhaps the rest of the album will prove me wrong - I don't think it really establishes a viable model for further songs in this vein. Until the reins are loosened for the coda, the Heartbreakers are just too marginal to the proceedings. It's sort of like "Yesterday," if the other Beatles had come in just to tap on the violin cases or run their fingers noisily up their guitar strings. And yet, one of Petty's most massive and undeniable singles and earworms. I've probably listened to it twelve times in the past couple days --- I usually wait til the day of, but this one has been tempting me for the last week or more.

Wonder how Petty fans responded when they heard that drum machine in the summer of '85? That Coral guitar (not a sitar!) found an echo in another summer-of-1985 hit "Everytime You Go Away."

I really hate the synth string solo on this song

Just an awful sound

Oh, that's my favorite part, especially when the backup singers float above it.

Ah Really? It sits in the mix well, but to me the melody is so dumb and the sound just deflates the… “monumental”-ness of the rest of the arrangement

i'm givin' up!

Until the reins are loosened for the coda, the Heartbreakers are just too marginal to the proceedings.

Funny story about the first time I heard this — I was a big enough fan to know that a new single was on the way, and I happened to turn on the radio the day it was released just in time to catch only the coda. Which I thought was great! I was like, seems like a rocker, can't wait to hear the whole thing. I was pretty confused when I did.

I don't hate the song, I get why it was a hit — that sinuous sitar sounded good on the radio, the video was cool, it all sounded extremely 1985. But it's always felt like a bit of a slog to me. And yeah, for those averse to his more creative vocal stylings, this one has plenty of them.

holy moly this video is fucking bonkers, never seen it!

ha really?

when I saw him live around 2000 he pulled a mad hatters hat out of a smoking guitar case for this one, guess thats SOP

holy moly this video is fucking bonkers, never seen it!

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incredible, it is like the music video (i would love to see it for the first time again)

The popularity of the video made the song seem bigger than it was -- it peaked at #13.

#2 on the Album Rock charts though! (Today's Mainstream Rock.)